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    Russiagate Investigation Shifts Focus To Obama

    Former US President Barack Obama is now in severe legal jeopardy, because the Russiagate investigation has turned 180 degrees; and he, instead of the current President, Donald Trump, is in its cross-hairs.

    The biggest crime that a US President can commit is to try to defeat American democracy (the Constitutional functioning of the US Government) itself, either by working with foreign powers to take it over, or else by working internally within America to sabotage democracy for his or her own personal reasons. Either way, it’s treason (crime that is intended to, and does, endanger the continued functioning of the Constitution itself*), and Mr. Obama is now being actively investigated, as possibly having done this.

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    Did Obama know what was happening with the Russia hoax? yes
    Did Obama approve some or all of the actions taken in the Russia hoax? yes
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    Zerohedge is not a credible website.
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    People thought I was f’ing around in this thread, I hope
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    Zerohedge is not a credible website.
    They have been way more accurate than the "mainstream" media that falsely reported Trump and Russia involvement.

    Now we know the entire Mueller investigation was based on a dossier paid for by Clintons through Fusion GPS made up of entirely fabricated information.

    This is what the "credible" media reported to us for three years.
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    Zerohedge is not a credible website.
    In your opinion what are some examples of credible sources?
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    Originally Posted by ~Hades~ View Post
    Did Obama know what was happening with the Russia hoax? yes
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    Zerohedge is not a credible website.
    Originally Posted by Holyfenix View Post
    In your opinion what are some examples of credible sources?

    How aboot sources that actually use their real names. No one who writes for zerohedge uses their real name. Zerohedge is a "for entertainment purposes only" website like the National Enquirer. Unfortunately, some low IQ people read the stories and believe they're real and come and post them here hoping others are just as simple minded as themselves and will believe it.


    This is the "real" truth...

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    Originally Posted by EctoCanuck View Post
    How aboot sources that actually use their real names. No one who writes for zerohedge uses their real name. Zerohedge is a "for entertainment purposes only" website like the National Enquirer. Unfortunately, some low IQ people read the stories and believe they're real and come and post them here hoping others are just as simple minded as themselves and will believe it.
    The author format is how zerohedge articles are written. The underlying theme being the message is more important than the person and that people should think critically. Something clearly lost on you.

    And while we are at it, "anonymous sources" is what CNN, MSNBC, ABC, etc all relied on the past three years to throw every made up accusation at Trump they could imagine. I hope you are also just as critical on them.


    Originally Posted by EctoCanuck View Post
    This is the "real" truth...

    [img]https://i.imgur.com/J0dxYs6.jpg[img]
    You can indict a ham sandwich. Just like you can also impeach a sitting president and still have him be your president. This has been the democrats strategy for the better part of the last half century. Accuse, accuse, accuse in the hopes you muddy the name enough and get people to vote the other way. It is the same tactic the Nazi's used of repeating a lie until people accept it as the truth. Democrats have always embraced this tactic and relied on uninformed, misinformed and useful idiots to gain power.

    Not once did you try to dispute ANY of the claims presented in the article. Instead you posted a picture *cough propaganda* you clearly found from somewhere else. Based on your post, I would categorize you as useful idiot.
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    It's actually pretty crazy how much of Obamas history is sealed. I'm not a birther but I wouldn't be surprised if things aren't as presented.
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    Originally Posted by EctoCanuck View Post
    This is the "real" truth...

    I dont even know how you can say this is a pro for democrats.

    It is either

    1. All democratic politicians are innocent
    2. Corruption roams free and there are no consequences during democratic rule (e.g. Ukraine 14 billion missing pinata)

    lettuce beef reality. Politicians are dirty. We are just looking at policies.
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    If there is true justice then that's exactly who the person of interest #1 is.

    Obama was the kingpin. of the whole criminal conspiracy to abuse office to attack a political opponent and undermine an election. Then Comey-Clapper-Brennan-Lynch below him carrying out the conspiracy in their various agencies.

    However the deep state and the military-industrial complex and the gov-media complex will likely protect him.
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    If there is true justice then that's exactly who the person of interest #1 is.

    Obama was the kingpin. of the whole criminal conspiracy to abuse office to attack a political opponent and undermine an election. Then Comey-Clapper-Brennan-Lynch below him carrying out the conspiracy in their various agencies.

    However the deep state and the military-industrial complex and the gov-media complex will likely protect him.
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    oh wow is this the end for obama?

    is this finally the end?
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    Meh,

    lets just take this in steps and see the obvious.

    Ill throw some of my opinion in this, but most is just raw fact- and the opinions are somewhat blindingly obvious.


    For starters, Obama entered his presidency not really wanting to start chit with any nation. He genuinely wanted a piece with all mentality, starting with his world apology tour.

    And this included Russia.

    Then he entered his presidency with a crucial error- Placing Hillary Clinton as secretary of state.

    Hillary went rogue - establishing her own agenda and preferences on foreign policy with her own self interest-

    ..... Some of which it was to repay previous favors and some of which was to establish even more her own self brand or business interest.(and yes this included some underground business dealing where she acquired dirty campaign money originally sourced from shady deals in Russia as a favor for the pardon of marc rich.)

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    Everything she did was "me first" based, and the underlying foundation of all her actions always centered around helping her become president one day.


    So one of the early rogue things she does is interfere in the Russian elections, and Putin was out for revenge for such.

    All the Wrong Moves: Putin Plots His Strategy Against the Protesters

    He referred in particular to U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who expressed "serious concerns" this week about the fairness of Russia's parliamentary elections, held on Sunday, Dec. 4. The vote allowed Putin's United Russia party to hang on to a slim majority, but well-substantiated claims of voter fraud drove thousands of Russians to the streets of Moscow and other cities to protest on Monday and Tuesday. "She set the tone for certain actors inside the country; she gave the signal," Putin said of Clinton on Thursday. "They heard this signal and, with the support of the U.S. State Department, started actively doing their work."
    http://content.time.com/time/world/a...101924,00.html


    Vladimir Putin's Bad Blood With Hillary Clinton

    In December 2011, Vladimir Putin came closer than he’s ever been to losing his hold on power. His decision that year to run for a third term as Russia’s President had inspired a massive protest movement against him. Demonstrations calling for him to resign were attracting hundreds of thousands of people across the country. Some of his closest allies had defected to the opposition, causing a split in the Kremlin elites, and Russian state media had begun to warn of a revolution in the making.

    At a crisis meeting with his advisers on Dec. 8 of that year, the Russian leader chose to lay the blame on one meddling foreign diplomat: U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
    https://time.com/4422723/putin-russia-hillary-clinton/

    Yep, he wanted revenge after that, and this caused problems for Obama and Obama wanted nothing to do with it- And Hillary didn't give a chit one way or another, it was all a "me first" move

    and yes the backdrop stories as I've posted before....

    Putin: Using Al-Qaeda in Syria like sending Gitmo inmates to fight
    https://www.rt.com/news/vladimir-put...interview-481/


    Putin Voices Pessimism on Missile Defense
    https://themoscowtimes.com/news/puti...-defense-15583



    Russia: Nato has overstepped UN mandate on Libya
    http://abundanthope.net/pages/True_U...on-Libya.shtml



    Remarks
    by NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow at the Security and Defence Agenda Rountable ''Next steps in Missile Defence''
    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/opinions_90261.htm

    Speaker Boehner on Reasserting American Exceptionalism in the U.S.-Russia Relationship
    https://www.speaker.gov/speech/speak...a-relationship


    The draft of the European Security Treaty
    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/6152


    Russia's Place in a Changing World,' By Vladimir Putin
    http://worldmeets.us/Moskovskiye.Nov...#axzz5K9a0dFho


    [QUOTE] January 2012 Survey of Developments in U.S.-Russia Relations
    https://www.hse.ru/mirror/pubs/lib/d...s%20in%20U.doc






    The big thing to look at is Obama and Putin’s relationship especially prior to the 2012 election, and the gymnastics Obama was doing to differentiate himself from Hillary and avoid Putin retaliation for US meddling in his election

    And then the later possibly knowing but not making a real effort to stop Putin meddling in Hillary‘s election...



    To be continued.....
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    So some questions....

    Is it evident that there was potential animosity from a high-level foreign leader towards one of our high-level government officials prior to September 2013?

    yes

    Was Russia reemerging it’s United States internal human intelligence, cyber intelligence, and propaganda apparatus prior to September 2013?

    yes

    Was Russia employing United States citizens and partnering with existing United States political and advocacy affiliations prior to September 2013?

    yes

    Was there a reasonable foreign intelligence threat to consider that United States intelligence agencies should have taken action on in the form of proactive protection and defense measures?

    yes

    Was this threat from a nation that has previously and recently taken direct and indirect intelligence actions against other nations?

    yes

    Being this is international and a CIA/NSA matter, was there any national consideration that should have what have or was taken by the FBI?

    yes

    Did this happen when Mueller was in charge of the FBI?

    yes

    Was the Obama administration knowingly distancing itself from Hillary‘s remarks and relationship with Putin with intent to repair diplomatic relations prior to September 2013?

    Yes

    If all of our national defense, intelligence, homeland security, etc. agencies under the Obama administration knew of a probable threat why wasn’t adequate protection made and actions taken during what would’ve been an obvious time of retaliation attack? (US election)

    What preemptive measures were made on the onset of a wide scale structure apparatus development of propaganda and foreign intelligent invasion?

    none


    Did Mueller have any personal responsibility in overseeing this, taking action on this?

    yes

    Would there be a possibility someone in the position that had an incompetent or under performing effort could possibly have a bias that may cause them to mask their previous incompetence or failure resulting in a negative consequence in a future investigations?

    yes

    Is it possible such previous action more intentional and not incompetence ?

    In my opinion yes

    Should this possibility be taken into consideration before said person is put in charge of a special counsel to investigate a president on a similar related matter?

    yes


    What failures of the Obama administration intelligence apparatus and homeland security actions enabled this foreign adversary invasion to happen ?

    in my opinion, and partially fact, yes


    Is it possible they actually were competent and knowingly allow this to happen? If so why?

    yet to be seen...



    There is a standard method of operation in the intelligence community of certain actions that should be taken based on certain intelligence threats received or intelligence threats intelligence analyst derive.


    There are matrix involved based on the level and importance of actions and are prioritize based on the number, type, and account of threats


    Now if you know or talk to any analyst in the community, and look at all the information related to it, it is blindingly obvious there is an astronomic about of bits of data, as you can see just a few in my first post, the indicate this threat is real and at the highest level of probability.


    Not only did he have a vendetta about US meddling in 2011 elections, it was very specific to the person who was running in the 2018.


    You have to be completely asinine to not realize the immediate threat- he even specifically stated multiple times.

    So considering the Obama administrations failure to prevent:

    The questions are what proactive actions were taken in a defense of what was going to be an obvious attack?

    Did those actions match what would be the standard method of actions as to what would be considered a reasonable amount of resources and effort for such?

    Considering the amount of time the threat was made(2011) prior to attack and specific nature of an individual threatened and the amount of validity and time the threat was made vs preparation levels in given time....

    Is there a possibility of intentional avoidance of the threat?

    I think so yes

    Was the failure due to incompetence or intentional neglect?

    yet to be seen


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    When you look at the 1st post I made about putin - wow he was perturbed for sure about US meddling in Russian elections 2011 wasn’t he?

    Poor timing for Obama huh? With his 2012 re-election looming.

    Dadgummit that Hillary chick always screwing his chit up- should have left her out of the cabinet after election but here we are.

    Obama certainly doesn’t need putin retaliating in his 2012 election does he?

    Wut do?

    Well he definitely needs to mend the diplomatic fences in multiple ways.

    -downplay rhetoric of Russia being a threat made by Romney

    -Portraying himself as somewhat Russia friendly in debates prior to election.

    -alluding to Russia friendly subtle promises post election


    The hot mic video....

    various Russia favored talks and international negations for commerce

    -etc etc etc




    So it’s safe to say any reasonable person would have to ask if Obama is doing some form of subtle collusion with Russia in an effort to have a lack of election interference post the 2011 outrage from US meddling in Russian elections.


    Perhaps “ Putin please leave me alone in 2012 and I will leave you alone and 2016 so you can take out your real adversary, I don’t like her anyway”


    Again why was the administration so absent of corrective measures against a blatantly obvious and intent for attack??






    Some say believe it or not..... The line the Obama administration fed....


    It was OK for the government in charge of securing our nation from a foreign adversary with a long time and publicly communicated intent to plan and take espionage intelligence actions as a direct attack against the United States and its election process to not take the appropriate preemptive action over a long period of time because... he thought his side was going to win anyway

    It was Obama’s obligation is to protect the nation from attack -


    Especially involving an election in which he should remain impartial

    And especially considering the years he had to plan for a known looming attack

    To recap cliff timeline

    2011 Hillary interferes in Russian election( Putin's publicly announce perception) and Putin goes irate and gets perturbed specifically at Hillary with an expressed intention of retaliation.

    2012 Obama has an election coming something Putin obviously has his eyes on

    2012 Obama begins to warm up to Putin

    2016 after all this time with a known retaliatory attack towards Clinton in an election highly highly possible, Obama takes inadequate action to prevent the attack in the 2016 election



    Would you, especially considering all the warm-up engagements and hot mic video, think from all this it is at all possible that Obama made a deal with Putin “don’t mess with my election and in trade I’ll leave you alone in 2016 against Hillary” ?


    We know Obama wasn’t really a big fan of Hillary anyway...


    along with obviously setting up the framework for preemptive preventative action against Russia’s obviously intent-

    And the installment of the FBI director in charge during this fisco to be the special counsel to investigate it. yea that suspicious as fuk
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