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    Something I didn't agree with even before the game was having an SEC crew calling a game where the winner could potentially face an SEC team in the championship. I know the crews are assigned in advance but there should not be potential conflicts of interest like that. You can easily get officiating crews from other conferences that are not being represented in the CFB playoff.
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    Yes they did and it makes the Ohio State tears that much sweeter.
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    Originally Posted by drvillain View Post
    No lies told
    Many lies told and LOL at you getting ****ed over by your team again.

    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Replay officials definitely overreached. I have no idea how they took that defensive touchdown off the board. A pathetic display of officiating. The officials decided this game, but it never would have been in their hands if OSU would have scored TDs instead of FGs early on and stepped on Clemson’s throat.
    No, they didn't.

    Originally Posted by AlBHappy View Post
    With the way you spelled "mater" we know you don't have any skin in the game. Or is the second "t" the same as you dimwits adding the letter "u" to favor?

    Ari, Clemson was too fast and gangster for the Buckeyes. Justin Fields is not a big game QB. He's a more polished version of JT Barrett and that's not a compliment.
    Lmfao

    Originally Posted by tng83 View Post
    I had no dog in this fight. Just wanted to see Clemson perform against a solid opponent. That said I thought it was targetting and at real speed that it wasnt a completion and fumble. There was nothing blatantly fuked up about officiating in this game.
    Completely accurate.

    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    He took 3 steps with possession of the ball. The call on the field was a catch and fumble and there was nothing in replay that showed they should have overturned that.

    Now kick Clemson’s ass. The committee gave you guys a week 1 bye and home games for both rounds. If you can’t pull this one off...
    He took 2 steps. He was in the process of the third and he fumbled.

    The committee gave us? We were a better team than y'all and earned the #1. Stop crying because y'all stuggled against Wisconsin. inb4 "13 point win wasn't struggling".

    We beat the **** out of UGA with no struggling. That's why we got #1. Y'all perform well in the first half and y'all would've still be #1. I know losing hurts but don't throw logic out the window because of it.

    "if you can't pull this one off..." ???? Y'all didn't so you should stop while you're ahead.

    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    LSU over Ohio state for #1 was a subjective decision.

    Not including northern or Midwest playoff sites despite their success as final four and super bowl venues was a subjective decision.

    It couldn’t be set up better for LSU this year.
    Here you go with the ultimate coping again. We e arned #1. Y'all lost it at the end for a good reason.

    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    LSU’s offensive is better but you are fooling yourself if you think their defense sniffs ours. It’s not as simple as “we would have converted those red zone opportunities.”
    We score on 97% of our red zone possessions.

    Originally Posted by YoungMetro24 View Post
    You’re 100% incorrect here.
    Nope, you are.

    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    I’m not whining. OSU lost the game. Their own mistakes cost them more than a few bad calls. I’ve said as much. But it was a completion.
    Yes, you definitely are and no, it wasn't.



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    Originally Posted by Lunatic View Post
    Many lies told and LOL at you getting ****ed over by your team again.

    No, they didn't.

    Lmfao

    Completely accurate.

    He took 2 steps. He was in the process of the third and he fumbled.

    The committee gave us? We were a better team than y'all and earned the #1. Stop crying because y'all stuggled against Wisconsin. inb4 "13 point win wasn't struggling".

    We beat the **** out of UGA with no struggling. That's why we got #1. Y'all perform well in the first half and y'all would've still be #1. I know losing hurts but don't throw logic out the window because of it.

    "if you can't pull this one off..." ???? Y'all didn't so you should stop while you're ahead.

    Here you go with the ultimate coping again. We e arned #1. Y'all lost it at the end for a good reason.

    We score on 97% of our red zone possessions.

    Nope, you are.

    Yes, you definitely are and no, it wasn't.



    It always brings me immense joy when I see OSU fans struggling to accept that their team couldn't live up to the hype.
    Wow, you’re right. He almost made a 4th step after rewatching. Isn’t fumbling the football a “football move” ?
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    Burrow has been being shoved down our throats all season and it’s clear the powers that be want to continue this story line. It’s gross tbh
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    Originally Posted by chino3 View Post
    Burrow has been being shoved down our throats all season and it’s clear the powers that be want to continue this story line. It’s gross tbh

    Yeah his performance yesterday shows he completely is just fictional hype
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    Originally Posted by Postmort3m View Post
    Yeah his performance yesterday shows he completely is just fictional hype
    Did I discredit his performances whatsoever anywhere in my post? Nope...
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    It was a hell of a game but I am a little salty. Had that "incomplete" pass been in the end zone, it would of been considered a touchdown, right? Oh well. Clemson is going to have to show a little more if they want to keep it close with LSU.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Wow, you’re right. He almost made a 4th step after rewatching. Isn’t fumbling the football a “football move” ?
    i think hes agreeing it was a fumble. if he thought it was incomplete he woulda said the defender broke it up. so subconsciously he knows it was a fumble.

    bringing it to his body is a football move, and he took 2-3 steps with it.

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    Originally Posted by chino3 View Post
    Burrow has been being shoved down our throats all season and it’s clear the powers that be want to continue this story line. It’s gross tbh
    Burrow is the one doing the shoving. What he did to those OU boys was deep.
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    The targeting call was the correct officiating call on a poorly defined penalty.

    The fumble scoop TD call was terrible. The receiver clearly had a firm grasp of the ball, took several steps, and then the ball came loose.

    I could see them calling an incomplete pass if the ball was being juggled around - but the receiver had a solid lock on it. Horrible.
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    Originally Posted by 50centdad View Post
    It was a hell of a game but I am a little salty. Had that "incomplete" pass been in the end zone, it would of been considered a touchdown, right? Oh well. Clemson is going to have to show a little more if they want to keep it close with LSU.
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    Here are the quotes from the head referee on some of the calls that made Ohio State coach Ryan Day 'angry' after their loss.

    Q. The targeting call, wondered if you could tell me, what criteria did you use to make the call? Did you consider it a close call or fairly clear?

    REFEREE KEN WILLIAMSON: This was a crown-of-the-helmet targeting foul. So it did eliminate a lot of other factors. Initial contact was with the crown of the helmet. Then he wrapped up for the tackle. So at that point, targeting was properly called.

    Q. Can you remind me if the call was made on the field?

    REFEREE KEN WILLIAMSON: Replay initiated it and they made the call.

    Q. Speaking of replay, the catch, fumble, touchdown that was overturned, did you view the play from multiple angles in slow motion during the replay process? Do you have a lot of angles?

    REFEREE KEN WILLIAMSON: We had a lot of good looks on it. We put on fast motion and slow motion. The player did not complete the process of the catch, so, therefore, the pass was incomplete.

    Q. When we looked at it -- of course, we are not looking at it with the same eyes you do. When we're looking at it, he's got the ball in both hands and both of his feet were on the ground and he made at least one step and maybe more. So to us, we couldn't understand. Maybe you can explain it a little bit clearer.

    REFEREE KEN WILLIAMSON: After the video, instant replay in the stadium as well as back at the video center, they both looked at it slow and fast and they determined when he moved, the ball was becoming loose in his hands and he did not complete the process of the catch.

    Q. So you're talking about the move once he's back down on the ground?

    REFEREE KEN WILLIAMSON: Yeah.
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    According to the rules, it was targetting and an incomplete pass. The rules being bad is irrelevant. It is what it is. Should it have been a catch? Of course, but it wasn't because the catch rule is retarded and they still don't know how to say what is/isn't one.

    Just rewatched the play. Was still 2 steps. Him having the ball in his hands and coming down on his foot immediately after isn't a step. He then takes 2, ALMOST 3, steps and Okudah knocks the ball out (I admit I was wrong about the WR fumbling is himself). Bringing the ball in to your torso isn't a football move. Pls ****ing go.


    The targeting call is hilarious. The dude makes first contact with the crown of his helmet to the side of Lawrence's helmet. This isn't rocket science. Should it have been called? No, but it was targeting based off the rule. Want to blame someone? Blame Lawrence for embellishing, acting like the hit to his head concussed him, laying on the ground for as long as he did to help the refs think it was worse than it actually was.
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    According to the rules, it was targetting and an incomplete pass. The rules being bad is irrelevant. It is what it is.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Are you capable of counting to three?
    Do you understand that making contact with the ground with a foot after both feet are in the air isn't a ****ing step? He then takes 2 steps and loses it before the 3rd. The ball is knocked loose before his foot hits the ground for the 3rd step.

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    Do you understand that making contact with the ground with a foot after both feet are in the air isn't a ****ing step? He then takes 2 steps and loses it before the 3rd. The ball is knocked loose before his foot hits the ground for the 3rd step.

    Show me otherwise and I'll gladly admit that I was wrong.
    So he takes a mythical step then 2 steps? What do you call a foot hitting the ground? Your nonsense isn’t helping your case.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    So he takes a mythical step then 2 steps? What do you call a foot hitting the ground? Your nonsense isn’t helping your case.
    Bro, I was ****ing pulling for y'all to win. I really was, but you have to take steps AFTER catching the ball. I guess a player making a sideline catch with only his toes touch the ground also took 1 step? You know, his foot/feet hit the ground.

    Y'all got ****ed by the rules, and I definitely know what that's like, but come on.

    And I know some of yall are upset because yall lost by 6 and that wouldve likely given yall 7, but like the Saints yall had time left to score.
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    I was ok with the targeting call, even though the rules make it near impossible for a player to make a clean tackle these days when guys are dropping their head and ducking any hit above the waist can easily contact the helmet. But that play he had his head down and made contact with the QBs helmet so that one was justified under the rules.

    But the callback on that fumble was a momentum turner. Thats where the game went off the rails for Ohio State. I saw the play as a catch, 3 steps and a fumble. Pretty clear possession. Bad call.

    What a great game though, feel bad for the Ohio State folks, but Clemson played their asses off to make the comeback, albeit with some help from that SEC crew. I had no skin in the game, so was just having fun watching a battle that was unfortunately altered by questionable replay calls.
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    Further clarification on the targeting call... in 2019 for a player to be ejected for targeting, ALL elements of a targeting penalty must be apparent on replay for a player to be ejected from the game. One of which being a player launching their body. Wade did not launch. He crouched down and wrapped up. While the penalty may have been called, wade should not have been ejected from the game.

    “The biggest change comes in the review process. Now, if a player will be ejected for targeting, all elements of targeting must be “confirmed” by instant replay. There’s no “call stands” anymore. If every element of targeting cannot be confirmed, then replay should overturn the foul and leave the player in the game.“
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    Further clarification on the targeting call... in 2019 for a player to be ejected for targeting, ALL elements of a targeting penalty must be apparent on replay for a player to be ejected from the game. One of which being a player launching their body. Wade did not launch. He crouched down and wrapped up. While the penalty may have been called, wade should not have been ejected from the game.

    “The biggest change comes in the review process. Now, if a player will be ejected for targeting, all elements of targeting must be “confirmed” by instant replay. There’s no “call stands” anymore. If every element of targeting cannot be confirmed, then replay should overturn the foul and leave the player in the game.“
    You're wrong Ari. There are "Elements" of targeting, and there are "Indicators" of targeting. Launching, is 1 of 4 indicators of targeting. Only 1 indicator has to be present. The way the rule is written is kind of dumb, because 2 of the indicators are basically re-worded versions of separate elements of targeting. It basically allows for just about any forcible contact to the head or neck to be called for targeting, as well as any leading with the crown hits.

    There are 2 different potential targeting penalties ("Targeting and making forcible contact with the crown of the helmet", and "Targeting and making forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless player") and each have their own Elements. They are:

    Rule 1:
    Element 1- Taking aim at an opponent and attacking with forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.
    Element 2- At least 1 indicator of targeting must be present.

    Rule 2:
    Element 1- Defenseless opponent.
    Element 2- Player taking aim at a defenseless opponent and attacking with forcible contact to the head or neck area.
    Element 3- At least 1 indicator of targeting must be present.

    Both rules require at least 1 indicator from the list of indicators, which include:

    1. Launching
    2. Crouch follow by upward/forward thrust (even if feet are on the ground)
    3. Leading with the helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand, or elbow to attack with forcible contact to the head/neck.
    4. Lowering the head before attacking, by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.

    (see the last 2 are just re-worded versions of the "element" for targeting. Which basically allows for any crown of the helmet, or head/neck hit to be called for targeting)

    In this case, they must have ruled that he met the conditions of Rule 1. He used the crown of his helmet to make forcible contact satisfying Element 1. The indicator he met would be #4 and #3, which would satisfy Element 2. Thus "all elements" of the rule were confirmed.
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    Thanks for the clarification
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