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    Study: Vaccination linked to 6.6x increase in neurodevelopmental disorders in males

    Anti-vaxxers don't look so crazy anymore. The study also found a much higher rate of allergies, chronic illnesses, and mortality among vaccinated kids. Keep in mind this is one of the first studies every done comparing vaccinated to fully unvaccinated children. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. had to submit a Freedom of Information Act request to get the CDC to publicly release this study.

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    Originally Posted by dusky99 View Post
    Anti-vaxxers don't look so crazy anymore.
    Nope. Crazy. Certified crazy.

    This is the same bogus study that was retracted from the first journal that published it and has been retracted again from the one shown in the article.
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    Originally Posted by CommitmentRulz View Post
    Nope. Crazy. Certified crazy.

    This is the same bogus study that was retracted from the first journal that published it and has been retracted again from the one shown in the article.
    So because it was censored by some pro-vaccine authoritarians means it's wrong? By the way there's not a single scientist who denies that vaccines have risks, but they argue that the benefits of disease prevention outweigh the risks.
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    No they still look pretty crazy. The vaccinations are just dead virus mixed with stabilizing agents and delivery agents. Nothing that would cause disease later in life.

    But you’re right it’s much better to have an epidemic of polio, measles, rubella, etc.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    No they still look pretty crazy. The vaccinations are just dead virus mixed with stabilizing agents and delivery agents. Nothing that would cause disease later in life.

    But you’re right it’s much better to have an epidemic of polio, measles, rubella, etc.
    Dead virus, grown on aborted human fetal tissue, containing neurotoxin adjuvants like mercury and aluminium plus more. If you think you can just inject all this unnatural stuff directly into people's bloodstream, especially babies whose blood-brain barrier hasn't fully developed, with zero risk you're delusional. Here's the official insert of the MMR vaccine where they list things like brain inflammation, diabetes, neurodevelopmental disorders, and even DEATH as possible side effects.

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    Originally Posted by RedRusty View Post
    Anti-vaxxers still batchit: check.
    This kid ended up getting chronic inflammation of his spinal cord from the gardasil vaccine and recently killed himself. I'm not sure if he's simply batchit.

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    Originally Posted by dusky99 View Post
    Dead virus, grown on aborted human fetal tissue, containing neurotoxin adjuvants like mercury and aluminium plus more. If you think you can just inject all this unnatural stuff directly into people's bloodstream, especially babies whose blood-brain barrier hasn't fully developed, with zero risk you're delusional. Here's the official insert of the MMR vaccine where they list things like brain inflammation, diabetes, neurodevelopmental disorders, and even DEATH as possible side effects.

    https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi.../mmr_ii_pi.pdf
    They removed mercury from all vaccinations decades ago. The only trace amounts left are the same amounts found in the produce you eat because there are trace amounts in the soil. Mercury is in literally everything.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    They removed mercury from all vaccinations decades ago. The only trace amounts left are the same amounts found in the produce you eat because there are trace amounts in the soil. Mercury is in literally everything.
    "It's only a small amount" is not an argument. The manufacturer even admits that the adjuvants in the vaccine can cause inflammation and swelling of the brain and other auto-immune disorders.

    It seems BOTH sides have trouble staying objective. You can acknowledge that vaccines have helped eradicate very bad diseases while also acknowledging they carry risks. The pro-vaccine extremists treat anyone skeptical of vaccine safety like lunatics. I think more research is needed.
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    The firm I work for at one time had tried and won more childhood vaccine injury cases in front of a Special Master in US Claims Court than any other. The problem was the pertussis portion of the DPT vaccine.

    After talking to the attorneys involved, I do believe the DPT vaccine administered in the 70s and 80s was dangerous.

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    Originally Posted by dusky99 View Post
    "It's only a small amount" is not an argument.
    Actually it is. Literally everyone is exposed to the same trace amounts of mercury and aluminum so receiving trace amounts in the vaccine is irrelevant.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    Actually it is. Literally everyone is exposed to the same trace amounts of mercury and aluminum so receiving trace amounts in the vaccine is irrelevant.
    You regularly get heavy metals injected directly into your bloodstream?

    Also you do realize that these heavy metals are used to induce a massive immune response in the body so it starts building antigens? The immune system kicks into action because it realizes whatever was just injected is foreign to the body. You're making it sound like they have no effect.
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    Hold up, why would they use a survey to evaluate the risk of health interventions? A survey of mothers of homeschooled children - why did they choose this rather than a representative sample of children? And and a sample size of 600, seriously?

    The author of the study was a public supporter of Andrew Wakefield (the guy who published the original fraudulent paper on MMR and autism and had his medical licence revoked) so it isn't surprising that the methodology is 100% garbage.

    Here's an example of a methodologically sound study looking at a similar question:

    https://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d5956

    Longitudinal retrospective cohort study (not a cross sectional study), analyzes detailed medical records (not a survey of soccer moms), has a representative population (not homeschooled kids) and has a sample size of 1.98 million (not 600).
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    Originally Posted by dusky99 View Post
    You regularly get heavy metals injected directly into your bloodstream?

    Also you do realize that these heavy metals are used to induce a massive immune response in the body so it starts building antigens? The immune system kicks into action because it realizes whatever was just injected is foreign to the body. You're making it sound like they have no effect.
    Injected or ingested, makes no difference. Still gets metabolized by the body and enters the blood stream.

    And you fukking moron, the aluminum compound is a stabilizing agent to prevent the proteins from breaking down. It’s the actual viral proteins that illicit an immune response. You don’t know a fukking thing about microbiology or organic chemistry.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    Hold up, why would they use a survey to evaluate the risk of health interventions? A survey of mothers of homeschooled children - why did they choose this rather than a representative sample of children? And and a sample size of 600, seriously?

    The author of the study was a public supporter of Andrew Wakefield (the guy who published the original fraudulent paper on MMR and autism and had his medical licence revoked) so it isn't surprising that the methodology is 100% garbage.

    Here's an example of a methodologically sound study looking at a similar question:

    https://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d5956

    Longitudinal retrospective cohort study (not a cross sectional study), analyzes detailed medical records (not a survey of soccer moms), has a representative population (not homeschooled kids) and has a sample size of 1.98 million (not 600).
    The study you linked only examines the effects of one single vaccine, whereas the study I linked to is one of the few in existence that compares vaccinated to fully unvaccinated children. Secondly here's a key quote that all of these "vaccines are safe" studies have: "after adjustment for age, sex, socioeconomic status, and utilisation of healthcare". They always ADJUST the figures when comparing the vaccinated vs unvaccinated groups.

    For example, I'm sure you heard of the recent large-scale study loved by the mainstream media that the MMR vaccine doesn't cause autism. However, if you look at the methodology they were literally using countless factors like "head circumference" and the mothers' marital status to adjust the risk ratio. The pro-vaccine authors can give any weight they want to all of these different factors until the results supports their assumption that vaccines are safe, so the statistics can be twisted. The only reliable study would be a large-scale comparison of vaccinated vs fully vaccinated children, with no "adjusted risk factors" included.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    Injected or ingested, makes no difference. Still gets metabolized by the body and enters the blood stream.

    And you fukking moron, the aluminum compound is a stabilizing agent to prevent the proteins from breaking down. It’s the actual viral proteins that illicit an immune response. You don’t know a fukking thing about microbiology or organic chemistry.
    Aluminium literally listed as an adjuvant to trigger an immune reponse, looks like the fukking moron is you.

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/co...adjuvants.html
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    Originally Posted by dusky99 View Post
    Aluminium literally listed as an adjuvant to trigger an immune reponse, looks like the fukking moron is you.

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/co...adjuvants.html
    That link says aluminum salts are perfectly safe to be used in vaccines. So which is it? If you think a source is lying you can’t use that same source and claim it is truthful.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    That link says aluminum salts are perfectly safe to be used in vaccines. So which is it? If you think a source is lying you can’t use that same source and claim it is truthful.
    You're the one claiming that vaccines are perfectly safe with no risk and that no one EVER has an adverse reaction. This is straight from the official insert for the MMR vaccine.

    ADVERSE REACTIONS
    The following adverse reactions are listed in decreasing order of severity, without regard to causality,
    within each body system category and have been reported during clinical trials, with use of the marketed
    vaccine, or with use of monovalent or bivalent vaccine containing measles, mumps, or rubella:
    Body as a Whole
    Panniculitis; atypical measles; fever; syncope; headache; dizziness; malaise; irritability.
    Cardiovascular System
    Vasculitis.
    Digestive System
    Pancreatitis; diarrhea; vomiting; parotitis; nausea.
    Endocrine System
    Diabetes mellitus.
    Hemic and Lymphatic System
    Thrombocytopenia (see WARNINGS, Thrombocytopenia); purpura; regional lymphadenopathy;
    leukocytosis.
    Immune System
    Anaphylaxis and anaphylactoid reactions have been reported as well as related phenomena such as
    angioneurotic edema (including peripheral or facial edema) and bronchial spasm in individuals with or
    without an allergic history.
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    Musculoskeletal System
    Arthritis; arthralgia; myalgia.
    Arthralgia and/or arthritis (usually transient and rarely chronic), and polyneuritis are features of infection
    with wild-type rubella and vary in frequency and severity with age and sex, being greatest in adult females
    and least in prepubertal children. This type of involvement as well as myalgia and paresthesia, have also
    been reported following administration of MERUVAX II.
    Chronic arthritis has been associated with wild-type rubella infection and has been related to persistent
    virus and/or viral antigen isolated from body tissues. Only rarely have vaccine recipients developed
    chronic joint symptoms.
    Following vaccination in children, reactions in joints are uncommon and generally of brief duration. In
    women, incidence rates for arthritis and arthralgia are generally higher than those seen in children
    (children: 0-3%; women: 12-26%),{17,56,57} and the reactions tend to be more marked and of longer
    duration. Symptoms may persist for a matter of months or on rare occasions for years. In adolescent girls,
    the reactions appear to be intermediate in incidence between those seen in children and in adult women.
    Even in women older than 35 years, these reactions are generally well tolerated and rarely interfere with
    normal activities.
    Nervous System
    Encephalitis; encephalopathy; measles inclusion body encephalitis (MIBE) (see
    CONTRAINDICATIONS); subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE); Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS);
    acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM); transverse myelitis; febrile convulsions; afebrile
    convulsions or seizures; ataxia; polyneuritis; polyneuropathy; ocular palsies; paresthesia.
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    Originally Posted by gachase21 View Post
    Just a reminder, OP is a flat earther


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    No at this point I've reached the conclusion that I'm not convinced the earth is flat because the star trails in the southern hemisphere seem to suggest we live on a sphere, but I am highly dubious of everything coming from NASA and other space agencies and I believe the moon landings were faked.
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    The study you linked only examines the effects of one single vaccine, whereas the study I linked to is one of the few in existence that compares vaccinated to fully unvaccinated children. Secondly here's a key quote that all of these "vaccines are safe" studies have: "after adjustment for age, sex, socioeconomic status, and utilisation of healthcare". They always ADJUST the figures when comparing the vaccinated vs unvaccinated groups.
    T..t..that's how you reliably establish an association - you eliminate confounding factors which might otherwise increase or decrease the risk of the cohorts experiencing the outcome in question, so only the variable you are interested in (or as close as possible to this) is different between groups. Reds gonna red.

    The study I linked is an example of reliable methodology. A survey of 400 soccer moms is not a valid method of determining an association between an intervention and a particular health outcome.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    T..t..that's how you reliably establish an association - you eliminate confounding factors which might otherwise increase or decrease the risk of the cohorts experiencing the outcome in question, so only the variable you are interested in (or as close as possible to this) is different between groups. Reds gonna red.

    The study I linked is an example of reliable methodology. A survey of 400 soccer moms is not a valid method of determining an association between an intervention and a particular health outcome.
    With the way statistics work and how easy they are to manipulate they could literally choose from an infinite different number of risk factor variables, and then assign whatever weight of risk to each factor individually until the results show no difference in the "adjusted risk ratio" between each groups. For the MMR-autism study you won't be able to find what methodology they used to weigh risk factors like head circumference in both groups for example, and you can't even find the full list of risk factors. Knowing that the authors have a very strong pro-vaccine bias and their careers would be destroyed if they came to the bad conclusion, it's rational of me to not trust the study.

    The type of study I would like to see is 10,000 vaccinated vs 10,000 fully unvaccinated kids followed for a period of ten years, and then compare the raw numbers for conditions like autism, asthma, allergies, diabetes etc. No "adjusted risk ratios". The only factors that should be taken into account are age, ethnicity, and gender. The CDC however refuses to do a large-scale double blind study like this because they say it's "unethical".
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    I guess you had a lot of vaccinations as a kid, OP?
    I ain't no consarned religious fool, or such.

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    Anti-vaxxers are irresponsible anti-social morons who hate facts and are happy to carelessly infect the general population with life-threatening conditions because they are too selfish to have their rugrats vaccinated.

    This unholy alliance of Jesus freaks, edgelord "libertarians" and quasi-hippy SJW crazies need to be sent off to form their own society, where they can share polio, measles and rubella with each other like the fukwits they are. Maybe we can send them to Samoa, where their retarded ideology recently killed 75 children.

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    Originally Posted by Mr Beer View Post
    Anti-vaxxers are irresponsible anti-social morons who hate facts and are happy to carelessly infect the general population with life-threatening conditions because they are too selfish to have their rugrats vaccinated.
    most anti vaxxers kids are vaccinated lol. most anti vaxxers are produced from people whose kids have problems and then they blame the vaccinations. i think the mmr vax gave me rhinitis allergy. i've seen studies saying that vaccinated kids are 30 TIMES more likely to have allergic rhinitis, and then i've seen studies debunking this. i know personally that in grade 6 is when i started to get a constant runny nose and get sick often, the same year our public school lined us up to get an mmr shot. i don't remember ever having any issues before that. so it could be the cause, it might not be.. but i'm certainly not going to blindly believe it 100% can't be vaccinations because of a couple of studies from the type of lying dickheads who say that 'races' don't exist or that men and women are the same. i know how corrupt and controlled these institutions are.

    i've also seen 'official' studies in other fields which are such obvious lies and propaganda. for some reason people like you love to pretend that whatever the scientists (only the 'official' ones working in the proper organisations funded by the most corrupt people in the world and promulgated through the correct channels) say is indisputable. you would've been the type to censor anyone who dared to challenge the 'piltdown man' hoax because the 'official scientists' said it was real! and it was science for 50 yrs and you can't deny science! even though it was all a lie.
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    RED RED RED
    huh?
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    huh?
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