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    Oh look some hardcore leftist wrote a paper and had it published through a leftist organization stating medicare for all is a wonderful and beautiful thing. I am shocked.

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    So basically raise taxes and spend more rather than cut spending. This is why it will never take off, People are taxed enough and don't want to have to foot the bill for "Free" healthcare especially when most Americans take zero responsibility for their health. Medicare for all is a noble idea but quality of care will decrease, look at the VA if you want to see government run health care.
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    Originally Posted by sawoobley View Post
    Oh look some hardcore leftist wrote a paper and had it published through a leftist organization stating medicare for all is a wonderful and beautiful thing. I am shocked.

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    Peter Arno - Advocate of universal health coverage - https://healthyca.org/event-legacy/u...eter-arno-phd/

    Jeannette Wicks-Lim and Robert Pollin - A $15 U.S. Minimum Wage: How the Fast-Food Industry Could Adjust Without Shedding Jobs - http://www.peri.umass.edu/fileadmin/...-400/WP373.pdf
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    So basically raise taxes and spend more rather than cut spending. This is why it will never take off, People are taxed enough and don't want to have to foot the bill for "Free" healthcare especially when most Americans take zero responsibility for their health. Medicare for all is a noble idea but quality of care will decrease, look at the VA if you want to see government run health care.

    "The most important thing to remember when discussing taxes and Medicare for All is that the new taxes are not an additional net cost or spending burden. Rather, they will amount to a mere fraction of what Americans currently spend on premiums, co-pays, and deductibles, which will all be eliminated."
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    Originally Posted by badreligion View Post
    So basically raise taxes and spend more rather than cut spending. This is why it will never take off, People are taxed enough and don't want to have to foot the bill for "Free" healthcare especially when most Americans take zero responsibility for their health. Medicare for all is a noble idea but quality of care will decrease, look at the VA if you want to see government run health care.
    Do you know what Medicare is? It is not healthcare ran/operated by the federal government, it's just funded by the federal government for elderly people.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post

    "The most important thing to remember when discussing taxes and Medicare for All is that the new taxes are not an additional net cost or spending burden. Rather, they will amount to a mere fraction of what Americans currently spend on premiums, co-pays, and deductibles, which will all be eliminated."
    It's one thing to pay premiums for you and yours (meaning yourself and your immediate family), it's another thing entirely to foot the bill for Todd, Martha, and DeShawn who are hospitalized because they eat too much cake, do too many opioids, or willingly endanger their own lives.

    Again, the "solution" as you say to the healthcare issue is to force people to pay for coverage for the rest of the country via taxes. This does not sit well with Americans. Not surprised a communist from Canada doesn't understand this.
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    Originally Posted by BearyManilowe View Post
    It's one thing to pay premiums for you and yours (meaning yourself and your immediate family), it's another thing entirely to foot the bill for Todd, Martha, and DeShawn who are hospitalized because they eat too much cake, do too many opioids, or willingly endanger their own lives.
    We know republicans and capitalists only care about themselves. We're talking about the democrats who possess the mental capacity to care about others bringing in an investment into the country that is going to have numerous benefits and catch America up with the developed, first world of the 21st century. You simply cannot rely on conservatives to make any progress.

    Again, the "solution" as you say to the healthcare issue is to force people to pay for coverage for the rest of the country via taxes. This does not sit well with Americans. Not surprised a communist from Canada doesn't understand this.
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    Originally Posted by sawoobley View Post
    Oh look some hardcore leftist wrote a paper and had it published through a leftist organization stating medicare for all is a wonderful and beautiful thing. I am shocked.

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    Peter Arno - Advocate of universal health coverage - https://healthyca.org/event-legacy/u...eter-arno-phd/

    Jeannette Wicks-Lim and Robert Pollin - A $15 U.S. Minimum Wage: How the Fast-Food Industry Could Adjust Without Shedding Jobs - http://www.peri.umass.edu/fileadmin/...-400/WP373.pdf
    The government fuked healthcare with the hmo act and then fuked it worse with obamacare so obviously the problem is not enough government

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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    We know republicans and capitalists only care about themselves. We're talking about the democrats who possess the mental capacity to care about others bringing in an investment into the country that is going to have numerous benefits and catch America up with the developed, first world of the 21st century. You simply cannot rely on conservatives to make any progress.



    70% of Americans now support Medicare-for-all
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    What I don't get is - why would you ban private insurance ala Sanders or Warren?

    Like yes every citizen should have access to Medicare. Only lead paint huffers would disagree with that. But if someone does want to keep their private insurance, shouldn't they be able to rather than having it pulled out from under them?

    You'd need to raise nowhere near as much in taxes and you'd still cover everyone, whilst also giving people full choice over their healthcare. This is what Yang, Buttigieg etc. advocate and it seems to make much more sense than either Medicare only, or the retarded Republican approach.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    What I don't get is - why would you ban private insurance ala Sanders or Warren?

    Like yes every citizen should have access to Medicare. Only lead paint huffers would disagree with that. But if someone does want to keep their private insurance, shouldn't they be able to rather than having it pulled out from under them?

    You'd need to raise nowhere near as much in taxes and you'd still cover everyone, whilst also giving people full choice over their healthcare. This is what Yang, Buttigieg etc. advocate and it seems to make much more sense than either Medicare only, or the retarded Republican approach.
    'Sanders' Medicare-for-all bill doesn't ban private health insurance. What it does ban is any private health coverage that duplicates the coverage offered by the government. For example, if Sanders Medicare-for-all system covered hospital stays but not dental work, then private insurers would still be free to offer plans that cover dental needs. In fact, Medicare already bans any private insurers from offering the same coverage it offers. Canada's single-payer system does this too.'

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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    'Sanders' Medicare-for-all bill doesn't ban private health insurance. What it does ban is any private health coverage that duplicates the coverage offered by the government. For example, if Sanders Medicare-for-all system covered hospital stays but not dental work, then private insurers would still be free to offer plans that cover dental needs. In fact, Medicare already bans any private insurers from offering the same coverage it offers. Canada's single-payer system does this too.'

    https://theweek.com/articles/850638/...bernie-sanders

    Poll: Most Americans want universal healthcare but don't want to abolish private insurance
    https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-amer...healthcare-for
    That's still more or less banning private health insurance, since Medicare should cover pretty much all necessary care. Some people will want to stay on their private insurance and it seems silly to ban them from doing that, as I said neither the UK or Canada or any other country does that.

    Yang's approach to doing this is just so much better.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    We know republicans and capitalists only care about themselves. We're talking about the democrats who possess the mental capacity to care about others bringing in an investment into the country that is going to have numerous benefits and catch America up with the developed, first world of the 21st century. You simply cannot rely on conservatives to make any progress.



    70% of Americans now support Medicare-for-all
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/28/most...e-tuition.html

    Bernie Sanders gets crowd support for universal health care on Fox News:


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    Just lmao. The Reuters poll has a margin of error of damn near 10%, only polling 2300 Americans and I can't find the polling process.

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    2 major issues i see: one being that in this country preventative care simply isn't something most physicians engage in and two, culturally it's hard to compare the US to other countries with better health care systems. There already is a shortage of physicians in the system, how will adding more patients improve care? It won't. The system is broken, but i do not believe that medicare for all is the fix.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post

    "The most important thing to remember when discussing taxes and Medicare for All is that the new taxes are not an additional net cost or spending burden. Rather, they will amount to a mere fraction of what Americans currently spend on premiums, co-pays, and deductibles, which will all be eliminated."
    lol, the government gets trillions in RECORD revenue every year and we're still $20T+ in debt. But somehow, we should believe that they will get it right when it comes to Medicare for all...
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    Why is this foreign cuck so obsessed with US Healthcare? Lmao is there actually a real explanation for this other than mentally deranged or getting paid?
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    a couple of years ago you were some newfound anarcho-communist who believed any government whatsoever was violence and taxation was theft. Then you turned into a totalitarian supporting Trump cultist. Your opinion is worthless, and scumbags like you will be looked back on as a failure for trying to equate helping the citizens and working class of a country with evil communism.
    He was never an anarcho-communist. And damn, you sure get angry when people aren't in favor of big government.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    Do you know what Medicare is? It is not healthcare ran/operated by the federal government, it's just funded by the federal government for elderly people.
    When Warren proposed this plan, wasn't it already pointed out how it would cost us trillions of dollars, and then her rise in the polls plummeted?
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    Why is it only forum members who don't live in America shilling this worthless garbage?
    Oh, you tore your groin muscle? Its December, let's schedule that surgery for.......July or August of next year.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    When Warren proposed this plan, wasn't it already pointed out how it would cost us trillions of dollars, and then her rise in the polls plummeted?
    Yeah you should look above to see me explicitly not supporting Warren/Sanders plan
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    Imagine being a Canadian living in your mother's basement and arguing with Americans about American politics all day.
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    Why is this foreign cuck so obsessed with US Healthcare? Lmao is there actually a real explanation for this other than mentally deranged or getting paid?
    Originally Posted by Halfway View Post
    Why is it only forum members who don't live in America shilling this worthless garbage?
    These.

    Shyt is kind of mind-blowing if you think about things in reverse. Imagine sitting in front of a computer posting articles on a forum about Canada's healthcare system all day during your free time.
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    Can't wait for this under Democrat's

    Wait this happened after 10 years of conservative leadership and now another re-election, why are you blaming the left?
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    Originally Posted by OPGenesis View Post
    These.

    Shyt is kind of mind-blowing if you think about things in reverse. Imagine sitting in front of a computer posting articles on a forum about Canada's healthcare system all day during your free time.
    It makes sense when you consider their country is meaningless and has no influence so they are drawn to the nearest power.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    Wait this happened after 10 years of conservative leadership and now another re-election, why are you blaming the left?
    Critical thinking is not a common trait of righties. They parrot whatever their fox news overlords spew. Sad day in murica.
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    Lmao at CNN thread title hahaha

    Lmao at the straight lies tammy and ising are peddling repeatedly itt

    Lmao at them championing universal healthcare while report after report coming out say it’s terrible, unsustainable, and has dogchit crazy long wait times

    Lmao at brits and Canadians trying to get us Americans to put our healthcare and our lives in the hands of the fuking corrupt government after we’ve watched them destroy everything they touch

    If I didn’t know any better, I’d swear these foreigners are trying to convince us to destroy our system so it’s as chitty as theirs and we can all be miserable around the world together lulz. We’re watching our Uber corrupt government try and abuse its power to impeach our POTUS right now, and these clowns are trying to convince us if we hand our well-being over to them completely we will be better off and have more money?! Straight up gaslighting.

    Makes zero sense and all real world data shows the complete opposite of what Tammy is pushing will happen.
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    Can't wait for this under Democrat's



    So the friends and family couldn't have assisted her back into her flat, or somewhere else, instead of leaving her on the cold concrete in inclement weather?


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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Oh, you tore your groin muscle? Its December, let's schedule that surgery for.......July or August of next year.
    Man, that sounds sooooooo fuking terrible srs. Couldnt imagine having to endure that and being told to "be grateful everyone is taken care of" srs.


    Remember everyone reading this, THIS IS WHAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE WORKING TOWARDS!!!^^^^^^^^^^ THIS is what will happen, and they damn well know it, if "universal healthcare" ever comes to America. The truth definition is "universal dogchit healthcare" seriously, we will all be covered and we will all be miserable and sick 100% dead srs.

    I can see the CNN headlines know "The national healthcare system treated 10 million patients this year!" when in reality theyre ignoring the other 70 million that have been waiting 8+ months for routine procedures. Just like the media is right now, everyone will be suffering and hating the govt healthcare but the TV propaganda will be telling us daily how excellent and comprehensive our system is. Similar to how the media says Trump is a dictator, racist blah blah blah but when you go outside the economy is booming, Trump is helping and awarding non-white people all the time, temp tags are everywhere because millions more people can afford new vehicles now, and your 401k has made CRAZY gains since he took office.

    I can see it now bruhs, and it is fuking horrible. We MUST resist the horsechit theyre trying to push on us.
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