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    Exclamation 1000 calorie deficit here, not losing weight past 2 weeks?

    Guys, got a problem here. So I started leaning down from 145 to 126 to get from 18% bodyfat to 8%. I'm 5'8". I dirty bulked before and want to get the leanest I've even been before I start lean bulking the right way. Anyways everything has been going fine and I'm down to 132 now for the past 2 weeks. I should be in the 120s by now but I'm not seeing it. I weigh myself in the mornings after using the restroom and all too. I count my calories to the absolute T, I'm all OCD about it tracking every spoon of oil, tablespoon of sauce, etc. My maintenance is 2300 calories, and losing no more than 2lbs a week puts me at a 1000 calorie deficit, so I've been eating 1300 this whole time.

    What is going on? I certainly can't go beyond a 1000 calorie deficit, I'm already at the highest deficit where I can still be healthy and save my muscle mass.

    On top of everything else I get in about 150g of protein per day and I hit the gym hard 4x a week. I don't have a whole lot of muscle on my frame as it is, so maybe I've been gaining muscle this whole time and that's why I'm not seeing consistent 2lb drops every week?
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    If your loss stopped suddenly then it's water retention. Your homeostatic system fights back when weight starts getting lower than it likes and it stores water to counteract the fat loss. You may see yourself start looking flat and a bit bloated also. You need to ride it out as you'll release the water at some point. Sometimes a high calorie day will help with the release a few days later.

    If the slowdown in loss was slower then there's a good chance you aren't in the weekly deficit you think you are. If no loss in another week or so you may need to lower calories. If you aren't lowering calories as you lose weight then you may be at your new maintenance calories.

    There is a good chance that you shouldn't lose any more weight. Getting super lean isn't always the best choice before going on a mass adding phase.
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    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    If your loss stopped suddenly then it's water retention. Your homeostatic system fights back when weight starts getting lower than it likes and it stores water to counteract the fat loss. You may see yourself start looking flat and a bit bloated also. You need to ride it out as you'll release the water at some point. Sometimes a high calorie day will help with the release a few days later.

    If the slowdown in loss was slower then there's a good chance you aren't in the weekly deficit you think you are. If no loss in another week or so you may need to lower calories. If you aren't lowering calories as you lose weight then you may be at your new maintenance calories.

    Oh I didn't know about the water retention effect. Thing is, maintenance doesn't drop by much (50 to 100 calories over the course of 10lbs lost). And since I started with a 1000 calorie deficit, after 10lbs lost, I would still be at a 900 calorie deficit which is still huge. 1000 is 2lbs a week, 500 is a pound a week. If you check using a calorie calculator and you put two different weights 10lbs apart, you'll see maintenance is only about 100 calories less for the lighter weight.
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    Originally Posted by Animal2692 View Post
    Oh I didn't know about the water retention effect. Thing is, maintenance doesn't drop by much (50 to 100 calories over the course of 10lbs lost). And since I started with a 1000 calorie deficit, after 10lbs lost, I would still be at a 900 calorie deficit which is still huge. 1000 is 2lbs a week, 500 is a pound a week. If you check using a calorie calculator and you put two different weights 10lbs apart, you'll see maintenance is only about 100 calories less for the lighter weight.
    Yes it's about 100 cals a day for every 10 lbs, However if your counting is off and\or you're overestimating your TDEE then your deficit numbers will be off .
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    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    Yes it's about 100 cals a day for every 10 lbs, However if your counting is off and\or you're overestimating your TDEE then your deficit numbers will be off .
    I've thought about that too but here's what's funny. To lose 1lb a week at a sedentary lifestyle, I need 1300 calories a day. To lose 2lb a week working out 4x a week, I need a 1300 calorie deficit. So by eating only 1300 calories a day, TDEE can't be overestimated even if I tried because there will be a deficit no matter what. I think like you said, I should just give it more time. The scale is going to have to show lower and lower numbers NO MATTER WHAT. I mean there's no way I'm not counting my calories right or anything. I eat all whole foods and if it doesn't have a nutrition label on it (skinless chicken thighs for example), I weigh them out on a food scale and find the calories online for them.

    But the other thing I'm wondering about is, what about muscle gain? I know, I know, muscle gain is nearly impossible on a large deficit BUT, is muscle gain still possible as long as you don't have much muscle to begin with? I mean you see my profile pic, I'm not a skeleton but there's no 205 bench either.
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    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    There is a good chance that you shouldn't lose any more weight. Getting super lean isn't always the best choice before going on a mass adding phase.
    Based on your stats I'd have to echo this comment...5'8 and 120-something lbs is very underweight...I understand the desire to be lean but you won't look good at that height/weight.

    I would definitely focus on gaining muscle and strength over the next couple years...nothing will improve your physique like adding some muscle. You don't have to get fat to do it, just lift hard with progressive overload and gain weight slowly.
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    Originally Posted by sunsean View Post
    Based on your stats I'd have to echo this comment...5'8 and 120-something lbs is very underweight...I understand the desire to be lean but you won't look good at that height/weight.

    I would definitely focus on gaining muscle and strength over the next couple years...nothing will improve your physique like adding some muscle. You don't have to get fat to do it, just lift hard with progressive overload and gain weight slowly.
    Yeah I know..you're right. I just thought it would be fine because my plan was to shoot right back up to 2500 calories (lean bulking) from 1300 as soon as I'd reach that 8% at 126lbs because it would only be temporary. And also the leaner you start off, the longer you can stay bulking before having to cut again. I'll already have like 24lbs of muscle gained by the time I go from 8 to 11% bodyfat instead of starting from say, 12%. Idk, I'm just so anal about it lol
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    Originally Posted by Animal2692 View Post
    I need 1300 calories a day. To lose 2lb a week working out 4x a week, I need a 1300 calorie deficit. So by eating only 1300 calories a day, TDEE can't be overestimated even if I tried because there will be a deficit no matter what.

    I mean there's no way I'm not counting my calories right or anything. I eat all whole foods and if it doesn't have a nutrition label on it (skinless chicken thighs for example), I weigh them out on a food scale and find the calories online for them.
    This is the response from 99% of people that stop losing fat. The calculators being off, your miscounting\tracking and overestimating TDEE is the culprit.

    If you aren't losing a consistent 2 lbs a week then your deficit is smaller than you thought.


    Your body doesn't know numbers, only if it's being given energy to either lose mass, gain mass or maintain mass. I think as mentioned previously, that further cutting is counterproductive. When your body just doesn't want to give up more fat without a big fight then you're pissin' in the wind.
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    Originally Posted by Animal2692 View Post
    my plan was to shoot right back up to 2500 calories (lean bulking) from 1300 as soon as I'd reach that 8% at 126lbs
    increasing calories that much that quickly has the potential for too much fat gain. You want to increase slowly and keep an eye on your waist measurement (measured at the navel). If this number starts growing too much you need to cut back on calories
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    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    increasing calories that much that quickly has the potential for too much fat gain. You want to increase slowly and keep an eye on your waist measurement (measured at the navel). If this number starts growing too much you need to cut back on calories
    So reverse dieting? I've read about that too, I'm iffy about it because people say it's a must, others say no it's a myth.
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    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    This is the response from 99% of people that stop losing fat. The calculators being off, your miscounting\tracking and overestimating TDEE is the culprit.

    If you aren't losing a consistent 2 lbs a week then your deficit is smaller than you thought.


    Your body doesn't know numbers, only if it's being given energy to either lose mass, gain mass or maintain mass. I think as mentioned previously, that further cutting is counterproductive. When your body just doesn't want to give up more fat without a big fight then you're pissin' in the wind.
    I'm going to give the benefit of doubt to myself that it's not that for the next 2 weeks and it's the water retention as you said. I know that water retention adds weight but I didnt know that water retention increases as you get really lean. I'm going to hope it's that instead for now
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    Originally Posted by Animal2692 View Post
    I I didnt know that water retention increases as you get really lean.
    That's when it can be the worst.
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    Originally Posted by Animal2692 View Post
    Yeah I know..you're right. I just thought it would be fine because my plan was to shoot right back up to 2500 calories (lean bulking) from 1300 as soon as I'd reach that 8% at 126lbs because it would only be temporary. And also the leaner you start off, the longer you can stay bulking before having to cut again. I'll already have like 24lbs of muscle gained by the time I go from 8 to 11% bodyfat instead of starting from say, 12%. Idk, I'm just so anal about it lol
    As mentioned you don't want to make such a drastic jump in calories so quickly. Your body will go into dietary overload from doubling your calories and you will definitely gain fat.

    Also - you're being a bit unrealistic about muscle gain - 24lb of muscle gain doesn't happen easily or quickly...for most, that's several years of training.

    Get your head out of the numbers a bit and just train hard with good nutrition. I still think losing weight at your current level is the wrong approach. At your height you will look like a twig at that weight. That 20lb of muscle you mentioned WILL make a big difference on your frame, but be realistic about getting there, there are no shortcuts and you will most likely be looking at several bulk/cut cycles before you get there.

    For reference, I'm same height (5'8) and have a lean weight after cutting of about 165. Of course everyone is different and I'm not trying to compare us, just to give you an idea of how much weight you have to gain, and that I know from personal experience that 126lb or whatever is way too light at our height.
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    Yeah I know..you're right. I just thought it would be fine because my plan was to shoot right back up to 2500 calories (lean bulking) from 1300 as soon as I'd reach that 8% at 126lbs because it would only be temporary. And also the leaner you start off, the longer you can stay bulking before having to cut again. I'll already have like 24lbs of muscle gained by the time I go from 8 to 11% bodyfat instead of starting from say, 12%. Idk, I'm just so anal about it lol
    For someone your size to put on 24 lbs of muscle could take 3-5 years, and will take several bulk and cut cycles (nobody gets there in just 1 shot), just so you have some realistic expectations. And you should expect to gain muscle & fat at a 50/50 ratio even if you're doing things right, so 24 lbs of muscle would generally come with an equal amount of fat.
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    Originally Posted by xsquid99 View Post
    For someone your size to put on 24 lbs of muscle could take 3-5 years, and will take several bulk and cut cycles (nobody gets there in just 1 shot), just so you have some realistic expectations. And you should expect to gain muscle & fat at a 50/50 ratio even if you're doing things right, so 24 lbs of muscle would generally come with an equal amount of fat.
    I thought 24lbs of muscle takes 1 year if starting as beginner and then it's half that year after, and half that again 3rd year.
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    As mentioned you don't want to make such a drastic jump in calories so quickly. Your body will go into dietary overload from doubling your calories and you will definitely gain fat.

    Also - you're being a bit unrealistic about muscle gain - 24lb of muscle gain doesn't happen easily or quickly...for most, that's several years of training.

    Get your head out of the numbers a bit and just train hard with good nutrition. I still think losing weight at your current level is the wrong approach. At your height you will look like a twig at that weight. That 20lb of muscle you mentioned WILL make a big difference on your frame, but be realistic about getting there, there are no shortcuts and you will most likely be looking at several bulk/cut cycles before you get there.

    For reference, I'm same height (5'8) and have a lean weight after cutting of about 165. Of course everyone is different and I'm not trying to compare us, just to give you an idea of how much weight you have to gain, and that I know from personal experience that 126lb or whatever is way too light at our height.
    About reverse dieting...I've also been hearing it's a myth that you'd gain fat if you jump up to maintenance from a cut. This guy named Sean Nalewanyj was saying that if you take your time to add calories back up to maintenance, you're still extending you're cut because you'd still be in a deficit for another 4 weeks as you slowly add more calories back in and that the weight people gain back (provided they dont go past maintenance), is in water and glycogen stores replenishing themselves from being ina cut for so long.
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    Originally Posted by Animal2692 View Post
    About reverse dieting...I've also been hearing it's a myth that you'd gain fat if you jump up to maintenance from a cut. This guy named Sean Nalewanyj was saying that if you take your time to add calories back up to maintenance, you're still extending you're cut because you'd still be in a deficit for another 4 weeks as you slowly add more calories back in and that the weight people gain back (provided they dont go past maintenance), is in water and glycogen stores replenishing themselves from being ina cut for so long.
    That's why you slowly add calories back in like you've been told a few times.
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    Originally Posted by Animal2692 View Post
    I thought 24lbs of muscle takes 1 year if starting as beginner and then it's half that year after, and half that again 3rd year.
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    About reverse dieting...I've also been hearing it's a myth that you'd gain fat if you jump up to maintenance from a cut. This guy named Sean Nalewanyj was saying that if you take your time to add calories back up to maintenance, you're still extending you're cut because you'd still be in a deficit for another 4 weeks as you slowly add more calories back in and that the weight people gain back (provided they dont go past maintenance), is in water and glycogen stores replenishing themselves from being ina cut for so long.
    I think you're getting too caught up in the details and different theories etc...unfortunately it's not a black and white science, fitness is full of gray areas so what works for 1 person may not work for the next. But the laws of thermodynamics are pretty universal, so best to stick to what we know (calories in/out etc) than random theories, of which everyone will have an opinion.

    For example, someone told you that newbs will gain 24lb of muscle in the first year. That cannot be a hard rule that applies to all newbs...someone 5'8 is going to have different potential for lbs of muscle than someone 6'4. Also not everyone trains and eats the same. Yes, typically a newbie will make the most gains in that first year, but I'd guess for the majority of people, it's far from 24lb.

    You have to keep in mind muscle is relative too - 24lb of muscle is going to be much more dramatic on someone 5'8 than on someone 6'4, and will also take longer to achieve for the 5'8 person.

    Train hard, eat well, rest - you don't need to make it much more complicated than that.
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