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    Originally Posted by Qong View Post
    Seems like a positive to me. Hopefully Brexit happens and they slow immigration dramatically.

    LOL. Brexit is about Europe. Christians.

    Immigration from the commonwealth, mostly muslims, is only affected as it will increase.
    That's where the recent terrorists hail from.

    Even now, when you call the immigration office you get someone with an Indan accent on the phone.

    Factory workers are polish or eastern european. "They work like hell and don't quit after the first day" - according to factory managers. They don't want locals who are on cigarette breaks every 10 minutes.


    After the brexit vote applications for nurses from Europe dropped by 90%. Now there is a shortage of 70000 nurses.

    You can wait half day if you call an ambulance. Then you wait hours in front of the hospital before the ambulance is admitted. Then more hours in A&E before soneone looks at you.
    Better don't get sick.

    The tories are flogging off parts of the health service instead of funding it. The cleaners. Labs. Blood services. Etc.
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    Europe has been swinging toward the right for several years now. The left has been steadily losing votes at the elections, in some countries more than others.
    Which makes the American left's fascination with socialism "just like in Europe" more grotesque. Europe tried it in many degrees, many forms, many arrangements, one for each European country. And ALL of them are now moving away from it. And here come some American numbnuts saying "we want it!!!"
    Couldn't believe Merkel's speech the other day, does she really represent a majority of the German constituency? She sounds like a nut case.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Are conservatives in the UK really "conservative" though?
    THIS

    We have center left parties pretending to be center right or centrist parties these days and its all over the west. Its the same here in NZ with the National party. They are frauding and are actually almost as globalist as the hard left parties.
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    Couldn't believe Merkel's speech the other day, does she really represent a majority of the German constituency? She sounds like a nut case.
    Well if I am not mistaken they still have the majority in parliament, but some German bra could chime in and enlighten us.

    I am streaming an Italian political talk show, and they are talking about this, and this was the delightful comment by a lefty journalist:

    "Johnson and Brexit were voted by landslide in the most backward parts of the country. London on the other hand didn't, and they are the most advanced and useful part of the country".

    So you vote one way, you are backward and useless. You vote another and you are advanced and useful.
    And then they wonder why people are disgusted of them?
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    Can't wait for the American version of this next November. Gonna cringe so hard when Hillary announces her candidacy in January though.
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    I wonder if there is a correlation between urban voters being more hooked into propaganda media and how they choose to vote compared to rural voters. There's probably a bunch of different rabbit holes you can go down with regards to personality traits & social surroundings influencing how a person votes. In 2016, we saw a lot of major urban centers favor Hillary significantly whereas a lot of the rural communities favored Trump. I never really dove too deep into that subject before, might check it out.
    Urban areas tend to be younger, have more minorities (ethnic, sexual and gender) and a greater concentration of college graduates.

    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    Well if I am not mistaken they still have the majority in parliament, but some German bra could chime in and enlighten us.

    I am streaming an Italian political talk show, and they are talking about this, and this was the delightful comment by a lefty journalist:

    "Johnson and Brexit were voted by landslide in the most backward parts of the country. London on the other hand didn't, and they are the most advanced and useful part of the country".

    So you vote one way, you are backward and useless. You vote another and you are advanced and useful.
    And then they wonder why people are disgusted of them?
    The funniest thing has been watching all the rabid marxists claiming that their manifesto was extremely popular and the loss was down to brexit, which won't be a factor in 5 years time, at the next election.

    This, in and of itself, demonstrates why they lost; they think everybody in the country is aboard the express train to crazytown, not just them.

    Prior to this, the most batchit manifesto was in the 70's and it has been refered to as the longest suicide note in history. Corbyn's manifesto was even more batchit and lead to an even greater defeat, so they need to find a name for it.
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...rity-exit-poll

    Boris and Brexit dominated. 50+ seats gained by the Tories;labour lost over 70. with coalitions Boris gained over 85 seats!!!!!

    The "shy tory" vote was real. Will conservatives in the USA also come out in 2020 like this?
    Same thing is happening here in the USA man, the leftist/liberals have gone full nuts. I have been democrat for years, just recently changed my voter registration to republican. Democrats in the USA have gone full crazy. They no longer care about american citizens and reality. When you see democrates raise hand for free health care for illegal immigrants you know something ain't right. Even when i was democrat for all these years illegal immigration was important in both parties, we want to prevent and cut down illegal immigration, and have people continue to immigrate legally. Illegal immigration is not only dangerous for citizens, but also for the immigrants, you are traveling with random ppl who could be drug smugglers, killers,etc that could harm you. Then when you get in illegally how can get real work without being taking advantage of if your breaking the law. If someone kidnapped your daughter and you entered illegally how can you report that? You can't how can they find her the daughter has no identity, no fingerprints, no ID, what if you don't know english how can you ask for help if a group of thugs kidnap your children, or try to hurt you force you to do sex work.

    Illegal immigration is not good, and those democrats are idiots, they seem to only care about there own power rather than citizens and infrastructure. I started researching democratic districts, almost all of them are garbage, bad shape. Dunno what the democratic leaders are doing with the funding they get. Wasting it on sanctuary and free food which doesn't solve homelessness. You want to help ppl get in track not have them line up and dependent on you to provide food/shelter. You can't sustain bread lines off the back of citizen taxes. You just create more homelessness or those people leave your state.

    The left and liberals seem to ignore all the charity's and fundings that many companies and wealthy individuals do everyday. I always hear people at work saying raise minimum wage gotta help homeless, but they go out and buy $200-300 gaming systems, buying 60 games and star bucks not helping anyone. they don't even practice what they preach. Jeff bezo is greedy! He helps more than you ever will shut your mouth liberal /leftist. When the last time you helped anyone, they always respond " it's the governments job!"

    SMH liberal /leftist are dummies all on twitter on brand new iphones talking sht and not helping anyone.
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    LOL

    3 out of 650 seats have been declared as of now

    Do Americans ever stop lying
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    Who are you voting for in 2020?
    Trump, first time I voted for Hilary. I'm glad this happened I was never into politics but the only reason I opposed trump was because he was not a politician.Everyone around me was saying vote for hilary vote democrat. I look back now and realized I was brainwashed to believe that to be president and help people you have to talk a certain way, you have to be a politician. I was like wth trump is a business man he can't be president NOOOOOO !!! Then I started looking at the things he is doing, and the left just would not give it up, even in my early days I was just a echo of the leftist articles. Over time I have seen the things Trump is doing and I am not as ignorant on politics anymore. I feel that the media and left hate trump to much, and are no longer about improving any policies. I truely believe that the government has been very corrupt, and that now that Trump is in cleaning things up, they are utilizing everything to stop him. This is something they built over time a system. So they using big media to help them. If CNN wrote failry and did not lie I would not believe that my thoughts have any merit but when you see companies that are all democrat, and brutalizing , tearing trump supporters ill. You start to realize something is not right, they are going all out to try and stop Trump from waking people up.

    Think about it, ever since trump won they are trying to bombard people into believing, anti white man, no more male. They are trying to brainwash people to reject voting for someone based on skin color and gender. They are also trying to label him a racist. Just does not add up. Trump is on to something and he is making things better for Americans. Things like the squad, just don't make sense they are giving people power just cause of skin color and race ignoring people who are qualified better and have a passion for those fields. AOC was able to block jobs in NY that would have helped tons of people get jobs, cause they believe amazon should pay more than $15 for the entry level. Just crazy so they would rather have 0 jobs than have tons of jobs with entry level, business, managers,etc come to the city, opportunities for ppl thrown away why? Democrats are just doing dumb stuff and not helping the citizens in there own districts.
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    The funniest thing has been watching all the rabid marxists claiming that their manifesto was extremely popular and the loss was down to brexit, which won't be a factor in 5 years time, at the next election.

    This, in and of itself, demonstrates why they lost; they think everybody in the country is aboard the express train to crazytown, not just them.

    Prior to this, the most batchit manifesto was in the 70's and it has been refered to as the longest suicide note in history. Corbyn's manifesto was even more batchit and lead to an even greater defeat, so they need to find a name for it.
    Yes I am watching commentators bending backwards to say they lost but not really, but Labour still got 30%, they should have taken a firm stand against Brexit instead of being wishy washy about it. This last one in particular makes me scratch my head. Say I am strongly against Brexit. I can vote for a party that absolutely wants Brexit or I can vote for a party that hasn't taken a strong stance either way. I am going to vote for the party that wants Brexit because the other didn't take a stand? How does that even make sense?
    My understanding was that Corbin was pushing a very lefty agenda, complete with open borders and the obligatory raising of taxes, so voters gave him the finger.

    Now about who voted for what, for giggles I dug out these 2 maps:


    I may be wrong, but with the exception of the London area, it's actually not true that the poorer, more backward areas of the country voted for Johnson and the smart and useful voted for Corbin. Seems to me the poor voted Labour. Or is it just me?
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    Originally Posted by momo5 View Post
    Trump, first time I voted for Hilary. I'm glad this happened I was never into politics but the only reason I opposed trump was because he was not a politician.Everyone around me was saying vote for hilary vote democrat. I look back now and realized I was brainwashed to believe that to be president and help people you have to talk a certain way, you have to be a politician. I was like wth trump is a business man he can't be president NOOOOOO !!! Then I started looking at the things he is doing, and the left just would not give it up, even in my early days I was just a echo of the leftist articles. Over time I have seen the things Trump is doing and I am not as ignorant on politics anymore. I feel that the media and left hate trump to much, and are no longer about improving any policies. I truely believe that the government has been very corrupt, and that now that Trump is in cleaning things up, they are utilizing everything to stop him. This is something they built over time a system. So they using big media to help them. If CNN wrote failry and did not lie I would not believe that my thoughts have any merit but when you see companies that are all democrat, and brutalizing , tearing trump supporters ill. YOu start to realize something is not right, they are going all out to try and stop Trump from waking people up.
    I was going to vote for Bernie initially, I considered Trump & Bernie to be the result of years of disregarding the Middle Class finally coming back to bite Washington in the ass. Once Bernie bent over like a loyal DNC servant, I went direct to Trump and haven't been too disappointed. He's been an agent of significant change, even making the population woke on the power and manipulation of the media and how far Washington will go to protect itself.

    The biggest thing I looked at early on was how the media and Washington was characterizing him during the primaries, I didn't like his brash NYC nature but the fact that he was pissing everyone off really resonated with me, which means you're usually doing something right in that realm. I'll vote for Trump again because of the effect he is having on Washington, and mostly because of his aggressive stance on China. I wouldn't trust America in the hands of anyone else.

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    Yes I am watching commentators bending backwards to say they lost but not really, but Labour still got 30%, they should have taken a firm stand against Brexit instead of being wishy washy about it. This last one in particular makes me scratch my head. Say I am strongly against Brexit. I can vote for a party that absolutely wants Brexit or I can vote for a party that hasn't taken a strong stance either way. I am going to vote for the party that wants Brexit because the other didn't take a stand? How does that even make sense?
    My understanding was that Corbin was pushing a very lefty agenda, complete with open borders and the obligatory raising of taxes, so voters gave him the finger.

    Now about who voted for what, for giggles I dug out these 2 maps:


    I may be wrong, but with the exception of the London area, it's actually not true that the poorer, more backward areas of the country voted for Johnson and the smart and useful voted for Corbin. Seems to me the poor voted Labour. Or is it just me?
    There are a few different things in there.

    Re the manifesto, it was absolutely nuts.

    Nationalise lots of stuff
    Take 10% of shares of all companies with more than 250 people and give them to the workers.
    Put customers, workers and local politicians on the boards of companies
    So much free chit that even Bernie would be going "hold on a minute".

    Re the demographics, this is where it gets interesting and where the DNC in the US should get worried.

    Historically, white collar was conservative and blue collar was labour. The middle and the north of england (the ex industrial heartlands) was labour and the south was conservative, then things all changed.

    The current crop of leftists claim to be for the workers, whilst never speaking to the workers and spending all their time with their vegan, moccachino drinking, oh so very right on friends in the trendy urban districts.

    50 years ago, around 1/3 of Labour candidates were from working class backgrounds, whereas now it's ~1/25.

    The unions that backed labour used to be for manufacturing and now they are public sector unions.

    The reason that I say the DNC should take note, is that Labour took the working class for granted and just priced their votes in, in the same way that the DNC does with the black vote. Last night saw working class areas that had voted labour in every election for the last 100 years, vote conservative. People had had enough of being taken for granted.

    The areas that vote Labour now are the ones with the most minorites/immigrants and the ones that have a visceral, century old hatred for the conservatives (my father voted labour, my grandfather voted labour and my great grandfather voted labour and they would disown me if I voted Tory) and haven't reached the point where they can hold their noses and vote for them yet.

    It's a whole new ball game now. Labour abandoned the centre and the conservatives marched right in there, saying tyvm for the free votes.
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    Originally Posted by DuracellBunny View Post
    There are a few different things in there.

    Re the manifesto, it was absolutely nuts.

    Nationalise lots of stuff
    Take 10% of shares of all companies with more than 250 people and give them to the workers.
    Put customers, workers and local politicians on the boards of companies
    So much free chit that even Bernie would be going "hold on a minute".

    Re the demographics, this is where it gets interesting and where the DNC in the US should get worried.

    Historically, white collar was conservative and blue collar was labour. The middle and the north of england (the ex industrial heartlands) was labour and the south was conservative, then things all changed.

    The current crop of leftists claim to be for the workers, whilst never speaking to the workers and spending all their time with their vegan, moccachino drinking, oh so very right on friends in the trendy urban districts.

    50 years ago, around 1/3 of Labour candidates were from working class backgrounds, whereas now it's ~1/25.

    The unions that backed labour used to be for manufacturing and now they are public sector unions.

    The reason that I say the DNC should take note, is that Labour took the working class for granted and just priced their votes in, in the same way that the DNC does with the black vote. Last night saw working class areas that had voted labour in every election for the last 100 years, vote conservative. People had had enough of being taken for granted.

    The areas that vote Labour now are the ones with the most minorites/immigrants and the ones that have a visceral, century old hatred for the conservatives (my father voted labour, my grandfather voted labour and my great grandfather voted labour and they would disown me if I voted Tory) and haven't reached the point where they can hold their noses and vote for them yet.

    It's a whole new ball game now. Labour abandoned the centre and the conservatives marched right in there, saying tyvm for the free votes.

    this is a good explanation

    also this is weird for usa brahs to look at as the uk is 4 diffrent countries hence all the diffrent colors in diffrent areas like north ireland vote for irish partys scotland mostly votes snp because they are sick of labour lieing about chit etc
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    It makes post-2016 look almost normal.
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    Originally Posted by DuracellBunny View Post
    The reason that I say the DNC should take note, is that Labour took the working class for granted and just priced their votes in, in the same way that the DNC does with the black vote. Last night saw working class areas that had voted labour in every election for the last 100 years, vote conservative. People had had enough of being taken for granted.

    The areas that vote Labour now are the ones with the most minorites/immigrants and the ones that have a visceral, century old hatred for the conservatives (my father voted labour, my grandfather voted labour and my great grandfather voted labour and they would disown me if I voted Tory) and haven't reached the point where they can hold their noses and vote for them yet.
    My guess is the working man doesn't exactly love mass immigration, that's surely a factor in Labour's defeat.
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    United Ireland and Scotland independence referendums incoming. Brexiteers will indeed be getting their country of England back.
    Except the conservatives are in control and won't let them have another referendum any time soon. Maybe in five years or so by then Brexit will be old news and people will be used to new way of life.
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    Except the conservatives are in control and won't let them have another referendum any time soon. Maybe in five years or so by then Brexit will be old news and people will be used to new way of life.

    unless snp take it to supreme court and get it passed there
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    Except the conservatives are in control and won't let them have another referendum any time soon. Maybe in five years or so by then Brexit will be old news and people will be used to new way of life.
    That's true. Although, a more radical solution is on the table as well - simply declaring independence despite what Westminster say. Support for independece is at an all time high, SNP and Sturgeon have surely been prepping the case for independence for quite a while.

    The longer it takes, the stronger the push for indy will become IMO. We're witnessing some historical ****.

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    unless snp take it to supreme court and get it passed there
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    Brexit will be the worst thing that could possibly happen to the UK. This election has just put the nail in the coffin.
    you really are an idiot.
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    you really are an idiot.
    The breakup of the UK is a very real possibility, I'd go as far as to say it's an inevitability.

    Now it depends if you think that's a good or a bad thing. But certainly not an idiotic opinion.
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    Originally Posted by cromofo View Post
    That's true. Although, a more radical solution is on the table as well - simply declaring independence despite what Westminster say. Support for independece is at an all time high, SNP and Sturgeon have surely been prepping the case for independence for quite a while.

    The longer it takes, the stronger the push for indy will become IMO. We're witnessing some historical ****.



    What are your thoughts on it?

    its a weird one for me as i want independence from eu and uk for scotland but snp are to left wing for me would want to take my guns off me and would like to bring more immigrints into the country from chithole countries that have a totally diffrent culture from us so its a weird place im in just now but ill take brexit as a victory for me the now and see what happens in future
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    Brexit will be the worst thing that could possibly happen to the UK. This election has just put the nail in the coffin.
    Let's say you're a doctor. You live on the same street as a bunch of factory workers. Someone tells you that everyone on your street is about to pool all their resources into one community pool. Are you happy or sad?

    For the UK, the EU was the most insane thing ever. Combine your government with a bunch of faltering 2nd tier societies and allow entry to a bunch of mongaloids from 3rd world countries.
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    What we have seen with Brexit, and Trump, and now this vote, is a vote for Democracy.

    And a vote against men in girls bathrooms, mass immigration, whining, crying, TDS, SJW's, Greta, HRC, globalists, etc etc.

    How the left does not see this, after so many resounding defeats, is mind bottling. And mind boggling.
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    It's actually cool for the UK to have a Trump brother. I hope the US, UK, & AUS rise to their former glory, both socially & militarily. Let the rest of the EuroCucks indulge in the bed they made for themselves, subservient to a spineless Deutschland.
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