It is interesting that this genocide was trying to be justified with the arguement "If Americans attacked Japanese mainland more would have died".
You know you could justify every single genocide in history that way
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I don't know about that. They were even preparing kids and girls with combat courses.
I think America would have still won without nukes but the loses would have been over 150k troops dying. The mainland was extremely fortified and it would have been a long, slow guerilla war.
America has a lot of technology but culturally they don't deal well with human sacrifice and quickly lose the appetite for war. Vietnam proved this.
A mainland war with a country like China or Russia where 50 to 70 percent of all the military dies for that "victory" including millions of civilians would break this country.Mod neg Cry-Baby Crew
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No they weren't. What are you on about?? They were prepared to fight to the very last man, woman & child... Oh lol just looked at your name, of course some leftest turd like yourself would try to spread this BS.. liberals always trying to erase & re-write history. Negged
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12-12-2019, 05:41 AM #15
Japan had been trying to negotiate a surrender through Moscow for a while, as US intelligence already knew. They were economically ruined, their people were hungry, the Soviets were at their throats, and they had no feasible way out of the situation other than to surrender - they just wanted certain terms met such as the Emperor being able to remain in power.
US generals knew this which is why they opposed use of the bombs. Other countries like the UK advised the US to ditch their unconditional surrender demands, which would have swiftly led to a peace.
There was absolutely zero military necessity to drop either nuke. The more you know.Misc Crypto Crew
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12-12-2019, 05:45 AM #16
You are so dumb and uninformed that we can only hope for humanity you have never reproduced. Literally just ate up the propoganda you were taught in history class like a blind, worthless sheep.
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the dropping of the Atom bombs was more a message to Stalin than a killing blow to the Japanese. Stalin knew we were developing them and was a afraid of them, he didn't know they were operational though. The Red Army could have steamrolled their way to the English channel and the US/UK/France wouldn't have been able to stop them based on manpower alone.
There was more at play than just ending the war in the pacific.
The scenario above was a real enough threat that the Operation was classified until the late 90's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...nt_discussions
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Genocide
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
So I looked up the definition out of curiosity and I'm surprised it's as non-specific as that. What doesn't qualify as genocide under that?Here's to swimmin' with bow-legged women.
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Six out of seven five star US generals including Eisenhower were opposed to the bombing, because intelligence gathered at the time found that Japan was already trying to negotiate a surrender with certain conditions, namely retention of the emperor. Once the Soviets invaded Manchuria the Japanese had absolutely no options left, and America knew it, Britain knew it, everybody knew it.
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Your problem is that you look at the atomic bombings thru a narrow tactical lens. Tactically they werent really needed, strategically they were absolutely needed. As I said before, which is conveniently ignored, being the only country with atom bombs was the ONLY leverage we had over the USSR at the end of WW2. Without that leverage the Soviets would not have stopped the land grab that went on during the late stages of the war.
Atom bombs are a political weapon more than a military one. They understood that in the 1940's just like they do in the 2010's. Dropping those bombs cemented our position as a world super power, before WW2 we were a regional power at best.
They were absolutely necessary to use when you look at it from a world politics view taken during the time frame being discussed. From 1945-1949 the US was the SOLE super power in the world, without that advantage the soviet sphere would have been much larger than it was.
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They already had put forward offers of surrender, once they realised the Soviets were not interested in retreating and were going to launch a full military invasion. At that point they were running short on everything even food.
They just weren't going to surrender unconditionally. They wanted to retain the Emperor. Churchill had already told the US to accept a conditional surrender which would have avoided the need for further bloodshed, and top ranking US military officials came to the same conclusion.
It was Truman's political advisers, not leading members of the military, that convinced him to drop the bombs. And it was a political, not military decision.Misc Crypto Crew
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