On bombings of Hiroshima and Nagazaki

[wincel]

Your screeching won't bring back the vaporized orcs, so why bother?

Your screeching won't validate your existence even though I am sure your oxytocin fueled chauvinistic hominid brain believes it to be so.

You will meet the true orcs after the next nuclear war, and they will feast on your flesh.

[rectifryer]

They weren't on the verge of surrender---they didn't surrender after the first nuke.

The nukes demonstrated the rate at which we could destroy them. Firebombs, while technically more lethal over time, just didn't have the same psychological impact.

The nukes were a brick tossed through a window with a note of demands attached.

[RedPolo]

Your screeching won't validate your existence even though I am sure your oxytocin fueled chauvinistic hominid brain believes it to be so.

You will meet the true orcs after the next nuclear war, and they will feast on your flesh.

I'm not the one screeching buddy, you need to simmer down and give thanks to the Manhattan Project.

[wincel]

I'm not the one screeching buddy, you need to simmer down and give thanks to the Manhattan Project.

Why don't you simmer down and learn some nuclear physics?

[RedPolo]

Why don't you simmer down and learn some nuclear physics?

I already have an appreciation for nuclear ☢️ physics, you’re the one crying about the science being used to save the west.

[wincel]

I already have an appreciation for nuclear ☢️ physics, you’re the one crying about the science being used to save the west.

I guess Fermi was crying too huh? I guess you know more about physics than he did.

[rectifryer]

The point being made is they would have surrendered anyway knowing they were outgunned and they were about to have to engage the Soviets in addition to us.

Nah the people would have fought to the death as their country was their religion, and their emperor their god. We had to prove to the god-emperor that resistance was absolutely futile.

It's clear that the axis powers were united on extremist values. The values lead to their demise as their opponents were forced to annihilate them rather than reason with them.

[wincel]

Nah the people would have fought to the death as their country was their religion, and their emperor their god. We had to prove to the god-emperor that resistance was absolutely futile.

It's clear that the axis powers were united on extremist values. The values lead to their demise as their opponents were forced to annihilate them rather than reason with them.

If that were the case, why did they surrender? You haven't demonstrated that the use of nuclear weapons on the civilians was essential to the surrender. The existence of the weapons alone ought to have been enough of a deterrent, coupled with the prospects of facing the USSR as well.

[rectifryer]

If that were the case, why did they surrender? You haven't demonstrated that the use of nuclear weapons on the civilians was essential to the surrender. The existence of the weapons alone ought to have been enough of a deterrent, coupled with the prospects of facing the USSR as well.

They didn't believe us. They didn't even believe we had enough for another bomb, hence we had to drop another one to show we had more where that came from.

[wincel]

They didn't believe us. They didn't even believe we had enough for another bomb, hence we had to drop another one to show we had more where that came from.

We could have dropped several off the coast and announced them to demonstrate. Same end without deaths.

[RedPolo]

I guess Fermi was crying too huh? I guess you know more about physics than he did.

Mess with the bull get the horns.

[rectifryer]

We could have dropped several off the coast and announced them to demonstrate. Same end without deaths.

nah because we were actually running out of material from out Kentucky? Mines. It was an oddly specific situation.

[Mr Beer]

All of this stuff is contextual. The Allies decided to insist on unconditional surrender because last time they agreed to terms like gentlemen (i.e. when closing WWI) the Germans promptly started a conspiracy theory that they had been stabbed in the back by politicians rather than beaten into submission. That mindset very much helped Hitler get his greasy, gangster-like paws on the country and kick the whole thing off again, only bigger and better this time.

So, having wearily beaten the Axis down over years, expending vast amounts of blood and treasure, the Allies were understandably not keen to leave an excuse to repeat the process 20 years down the track with anything that looked like a politicians' truce. They demanded, and got, unconditional surrender.

As far as nuking Japan goes, the Imperial Army fought tooth and nail for every square inch of ground and were likely to continue to repeat doing so until bulldozed into formal, unconditional submission. Wrecking their fleet, expelling them from their stolen lands, prying them inch by inch off Pacific islands and firebombing Tokyo didn't do it. So they brought out the big guns. Of course, there's the fact that showing off to the Soviets and also getting the chance to do a proper live firing test may have influenced the decision. But the main one was the Japanese embarking upon a merciless series of conquests to build a vast empire. It would have been much smarter if they hadn't made Pearl Harbour a stepping stone..but they did.

[gluon]

The point being made is they would have surrendered anyway knowing they were outgunned and they were about to have to engage the Soviets in addition to us.

shows how little you know, Soviets were never going to invade Japan, all they were doing was taking over parts of china that the Japanese had conquered. They had nothing to gain from invading Japan, the soviets would have loved to see the US get caught up in a bloody land invasion by themselves. Possibly the bloodiest invasion of all time.

[rectifryer]

What is peace, without justice?


A Fleshlight without batteries!!!!

[wincel]

What is peace, without justice?


A Fleshlight without batteries!!!!

Normal fleshlights don't require batteries...

Anyway, I'm not going to convince anyone here. You guys seem convinced the use of nuclear weapons in an act of war against another country when we were not being invaded is justified. I disagree, and so do most of the men who made the damn bomb. But whatever. You idiots get to vote and here we are. I'd say God help us, but he clearly isn't there. To the victor goes the spoiled earth. Good luck.

[LukeLissen]

The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians.

- President Truman in his statement to the country about the bombing of Hiroshima

[Sinan09400]

Don't you deny the Armenian genocide by Turkey ?

Besides Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't really acts of genocide imo, I mean anything goes in war. Japan shouldn't have started s fight they couldn't finish.

Allright bro then Armenians shouldn't have plotted with Russians in a rebellion they could not win

Jews shouldnt have underestimated Germany they could not control

Natives shouldnt have stayed in their own lands when they werent allowed to stay

And goes on like that.....

[647584857]

The Japs wanted to die for their emperor so we helped them die for him, I don't see what the big deal is. Also **** them for what went on in unit 731.





"Thousands of men, women, children, and infants interned at prisoner of war camps were subjected to vivisection, often without anesthesia and usually ending with the death of the victim.[23][24] Vivisections were performed on prisoners after infecting them with various diseases. Researchers performed invasive surgery on prisoners, removing organs to study the effects of disease on the human body. These were conducted while the patients were alive because it was thought that the death of the subject would affect the results.[25]

Prisoners had limbs amputated in order to study blood loss. Those limbs that were removed were sometimes re-attached to the opposite sides of the body. Some prisoners had their stomachs surgically removed and the eso****us reattached to the intestines. Parts of organs, such as the brain, lungs, and liver, were removed from some prisoners.[24] Imperial Japanese Army surgeon Ken Yuasa suggests that the practice of vivisection on human subjects was widespread even outside Unit 731,[26] estimating that at least 1,000 Japanese personnel were involved in the practice in mainland China."[27

[B.O.L.A.]

Hard to justify something when you can't even estimate the number of people you killed within a few thousand. Can't point out who was saved, from what, or when, etc either. Just poof, 100,000 souls gone, likely some with no trace they ever existed. That's how it is with wars between collective millions of people involving nuclear weapons. For whatever reason a lot of people seem uncomfortable thinking about this.

[thedarrenestes]

Normal fleshlights don't require batteries...

On this matter, there is no other poster I would lend more credence to...

Yall can continue to debate the merits of the nukes, but fleshlights are thusly settled

[wincel]

On this matter, there is no other poster I would lend more credence to...

Yall can continue to debate the merits of the nukes, but fleshlights are thusly settled

[kingmanaverage]

Part of the terms of their surrender would be their high ranking officials submitting themselves for trial.

Yeah... like that would have ever happened. Keep dreaming buddy.

If they wouldn't, then the war would continue...

Yes, and many more Americans would have died. You do realise that one of the goals in war is minimising your own casualties right??

[wincel]

Yeah... like that would have ever happened. Keep dreaming buddy.



Yes, and many more Americans would have died. You do realise that one of the goals in war is minimising your own casualties right??

OK so by that logic, why not just nuke every country that was ever remotely a threat to us when we had superior weapons to preempt any possible future aggression? U don't get what I am saying. There was no need for a full invasion. We could have demonstrated the nukes. We didn't have to kill anyone.

[A-man]

They were a neccessary evil to overcome a greater evil that was sweeping the earth, **** off with your revisionist history...


Oh, and location: Turkey

This.

The fact that the world has enjoyed relative peace on a large scale since ww2’s closing is testament to this fact.

[rectifryer]

On this matter, there is no other poster I would lend more credence to...

Yall can continue to debate the merits of the nukes, but fleshlights are thusly settled

I stand corrected!

And to Op's point, I don't know chit about the armenian genocide so I don't talk about it. I can certainly see the value in quelling a rebellion of extremists if that's what happened.

[Shortfuze]

If Germany had continued fighting, would we have used the atomic bomb on them?

[messomi]

If Germany had continued fighting, would we have used the atomic bomb on them?

germany invented the atomic bomb lol.

[BFast55]

It is interesting that this genocide was trying to be justified with the arguement "If Americans attacked Japanese mainland more would have died".

You know you could justify every single genocide in history that way

So using one bomb to level a city = genocide, but using 10,000's of bombs to level dozens of other Japanese cities =/= genocide?

I just want you to acknowledge your reasoning before I destroy you.

[Sinan09400]

So using one bomb to level a city = genocide, but using 10,000's of bombs to level dozens of other Japanese cities =/= genocide?

I just want you to acknowledge your reasoning before I destroy you.

I never said the latter was not a genocide. Just want this atrocity against the mankind acknowledged, retard.