On bombings of Hiroshima and Nagazaki

[isingmodel]

So we should have had a negotiated surrender with the Axis powers now.....or just Japan?

Since Japan actually wanted to surrender, probably Japan. Now can you stop asking dumb questions dave, this isn't preschool.

[Streetbull]

125,000 Allied POW’s on the Japanese mainland would have been slaughtered if Japan was invaded. Then there’s this: “Good evening my fellow Americans. I wish to tell you tonight that I spent 2 billion of your dollars on a weapon that could have ended the war but out of my humane concern for the Japanese people, I chose not to use it.” = Harry Truman’s last words before being publicly lynched.

[isingmodel]

125,000 Allied POW’s on the Japanese mainland would have been slaughtered if Japan was invaded. Then there’s this: “Good evening my fellow Americans. I wish to tell you tonight that I spent 2 billion of your dollars on a weapon that could have ended the war but out of my humane concern for the Japanese people, I chose not to use it.” = Harry Truman’s last words before being publicly lynched.

The US wouldn't have needed to invade Japan.

[wincel]

So we should have had a negotiated surrender with the Axis powers now.....or just Japan?

Axis. That includes Japan.

[Dave22reborn]

That unconditional surrender was the decision not to attempt retaliation. Think about that. They would have surrendered without the loss of life anyway.

Pick up a history book and read about their culture during that time.

[Dave22reborn]

Since Japan actually wanted to surrender, probably Japan. Now can you stop asking dumb questions dave, this isn't preschool.

They would have completely surrendered? Allowed themselves to be occupied by Allied troops, dismantle their military, give up their conquests, etc?

Face it guy, when it comes to this ****, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Let's be glad they surrendered when they did, because otherwise a third one would have been dropped.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-pla...bombs-on-japan

[Dave22reborn]

Axis. That includes Japan.

So Hitler and the Nazis remain in power? Do they still get to keep Czechoslovakia and Austria?

[isingmodel]

They would have completely surrendered? Allowed themselves to be occupied by Allied troops, dismantle their military, give up their conquests, etc?

Face it guy, when it comes to this ****, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Let's be glad they surrendered when they did, because otherwise a third one would have been dropped.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-pla...bombs-on-japan

No their surrender would have come with some conditions, like keeping the Emperor, not having their islands occupied etc, obviously.

The highest ranking generals of the US military wanted to take that route and were strongly opposed to the use of nukes. I think they knew better than some uneducated **** for brains on the internet in 2019.

[Dave22reborn]

No their surrender would have come with some conditions, like keeping the Emperor, not having their islands occupied etc, obviously.

The highest ranking generals of the US military wanted to take that route and were strongly opposed to the use of nukes. I think they knew better than some uneducated **** for brains on the internet in 2019.

You really think the US would ever have agreed with no occupation?

[wincel]

So Hitler and the Nazis remain in power? Do they still get to keep Czechoslovakia and Austria?

Nope. Hitler would be tried for his atrocities.

Pick up a history book and read about their culture during that time.

I am aware of their culture and the atrocities the Japanese committed, thanks.

IDK why everything has to be so childish where we pretend everything the US did was good. Why can't we admit our wrongs?

[DubSilky]

this thread just keeps getting better... Keep cherry picking facts brahs...

[Dave22reborn]

Nope. Hitler would be tried for his atrocities.

How would you try him, if Germany wasn't occupied?

[isingmodel]

You really think the US would ever have agreed with no occupation?

I'm talking about what the US should have done. There was no need to use either nuke to end the war and bring about peace. That's historical fact, and everyone most qualified to make that judgement knew it at the time. The bomb was not dropped to make Japan surrender.

[wincel]

How would you try him, if Germany wasn't occupied?

Part of the terms of their surrender would be their high ranking officials submitting themselves for trial.

[DubSilky]

That's historical fact

Lmao

[gluon]

Nope. Hitler would be tried for his atrocities.



I am aware of their culture and the atrocities the Japanese committed, thanks.

IDK why everything has to be so childish where we pretend everything the US did was good. Why can't we admit our wrongs?

Im with you Fkin US is too evil for words when it came to japan, to extend a helping hand to our once deepest most hated enemy, rebuild their entire country from the ashes of war and lead them to become a modern technological superpower is just unspeakable evil.

[wincel]

Im with you Fkin US is too evil for words when it came to japan, to extend a helping hand to our once deepest most hated enemy, rebuild their entire country from the ashes of war and lead them to become a modern technological superpower is just unspeakable evil.

U want to pretend we were angels?

That was a good thing, but dropping the nukes wasn't. Why is it so hard for people to be honest about the situation? I know you want to pretend the US was perfect, but it was not so.

[gluon]

U want to pretend we were angels?

That was a good thing, but dropping the nukes wasn't. Why is it so hard for people to be honest about the situation? I know you want to pretend the US was perfect, but it was not so.

war is a bad thing, Japanese shouldn't have started one.

so is the soldier shooting an enemy evil?

[RedPolo]

The bomb was not dropped to make Japan surrender.

Correct, it was dropped to teach those subhumans a lesson. Mission Accomplished.

[wincel]

war is a bad thing, Japanese shouldn't have started one.

so is the soldier shooting an enemy evil?

That's not all we did. We dropped nuclear weapons on cities.

[Dave22reborn]

Part of the terms of their surrender would be their high ranking officials submitting themselves for trial.

Wow, you are beyond naive. Like they would ever sign off on that.

[wincel]

Wow, you are beyond naive. Like they would ever sign off on that.

If they wouldn't, then the war would continue...

U realize they all eventually surrendered, right?

[Dave22reborn]

I'm talking about what the US should have done. There was no need to use either nuke to end the war and bring about peace. That's historical fact, and everyone most qualified to make that judgement knew it at the time. The bomb was not dropped to make Japan surrender.

And yet they barely surrendered after we dropped two of them.

[Dave22reborn]

If they wouldn't, then the war would continue...

U realize they all eventually surrendered, right?

After we occupied their country you mean?

[wincel]

And yet they barely surrendered after we dropped two of them.

The point being made is they would have surrendered anyway knowing they were outgunned and they were about to have to engage the Soviets in addition to us.

[wincel]

After we occupied their country you mean?

What is your point? I am saying a state that believes it cannot win a war will almost always surrender. Japan would be led to believe this upon demonstration of US nuclear weapons and word that the USSR was going to attack them. There was no need for further bloodshed.

[Dave22reborn]

The point being made is they would have surrendered anyway knowing they were outgunned and they were about to have to engage the Soviets in addition to us.

Unconditional surrender?

[wincel]

Unconditional surrender?

There is no such thing as unconditional surrender. That is why when you surrender, there are terms and conditions. For example, do you think you reserve the right to rape Japanese women? Do you reserve the right to eat their children? There are basic conditions that must always be upheld.

There is also no need for unconditional surrender. When a war is waged, it must be clear what the specific objectives are. If a conditional surrender achieves these objectives, it should be accepted.

[Dave22reborn]

What is your point? I am saying a state that believes it cannot win a war will almost always surrender. Japan would be led to believe this upon demonstration of US nuclear weapons and word that the USSR was going to attack them. There was no need for further bloodshed.

Then why did the Nazi leadership fight to the bitter end?

[tunafishha]

I big on not using nukes in a war but there's no right or wrong answer when it comes to the US nuking Japan.