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    The primary reason for China's astronomical growth in all areas is the massive transfer of wealth from the US to China that has taken place over the past 4 decades, currently to the tune of ~$400 billion/year.

    A free business and labor country cannot trade with a totalitarian communist/socialist slave labor country or this net flow of wealth from the free country to the slave one will happen every single time.

    Without that transfer of wealth taking place since the 80's China would still be the dirt poor bunghole it was before comrade Kissinger opened the door to them.

    and if the US cut off all trade with China, they would either return to that dirt poor communist manure hole or have a successful revolution towards full freedom and democracy and capitalism.
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    The primary reason for China's astronomical growth in all areas is the massive transfer of wealth from the US to China that has taken place over the past 4 decades, currently to the tune of ~$400 billion/year.

    A free business and labor country cannot trade with a totalitarian communist/socialist slave labor country or this net flow of wealth from the free country to the slave one will happen every single time.

    Without that transfer of wealth taking place since the 80's China would still be the dirt poor bunghole it was before comrade Kissinger opened the door to them.

    and if the US cut off all trade with China, they would either return to that dirt poor communist manure hole or have a successful revolution towards full freedom and democracy and capitalism.
    China's been able to create money out of thin air to achieve its global ambitions, much like the US does. Once they get an international pro-China banking infrastructure set up (which they are trying to establish digitally) and form a break-away reserve currency, there is no stopping them. They are giving attention to the rest of the world that the US has neglected and using that to their advantage. What they are doing to poor nations with predatory lending, they'll begin to do to those countries' citizens. Provide them with jobs and a line of credit, after which they'll be indoctrinated into the Chinese system. That's why Chinese investment abroad, in places like Nigeria, is dangerous.

    China isn't just going into this and simply winging it, their grand strategy is simply incredible and carefully planned. Everyone who keeps believing China is going to fall back into decay without the US's help is missing the bigger picture. There's a reason the West has constantly underestimated China and China is where they are at today. They're not stupid.
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    America is also getting fiber.

    Why do you think this somehow shows dominance?

    That's like saying high-speed rail shows dominance when in reality it shows there's enough poor people to justify public transportation because the local populace are plebs that can't afford personal transportation.

    It's just a utility. Higher-speed internet wouldn't give them some kind of advantage outside of downloading hentai quicker.
    ‘Countries with robust, fiber-backed network infrastructure stand poised to take full advantage of some of the profound and paradigm-shifting innovations that are already emerging in the era of rapid innovation we are living in. America is still a center of growth and development for web-based businesses, but unless the U.S. takes drastic steps to improve deployment strategies, that may not always be the case. It is difficult to predict what the future pace of innovation will be like for emerging fields like nano-robotics, artificial intelligence, and quantum networking, but it stands to reason that companies and manpower will flock to areas where network infrastructure is keeping pace with progress.

    The U.S. has a huge opportunity to bolster its fiber footprint and provide the same rich landscape for growth and innovation that China has built, and the benefits do not stop with tech; fiber connections can help to close the digital divide in rural America, increase farm yields, and stimulate local and regional economies.

    As we enter into the next stage of the digital era, these connections will play a pivotal role in determining where the most impactful breakthroughs and innovations of tomorrow will be made. If the U.S. is to remain competitive, it will need to take calculated steps toward closing its digital divide and bringing robust connectivity to all of its citizens.’
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    Every single "Innovation" China is being touted for, they have stolen. Every single one. Forgive me for not being to concerned about their future dominance.
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    Definitely impressive but I didn't even know Chinese people were allowed on the internet.
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    So they can watch communist party broadcasts all day long at super high speed but not YouTube videos

    What a country. No wonder a Canadian phaggot with no life gets excited by things like this

    I wonder are the Chinese allowed to watch videos of Trudeau dancing just to amuse them
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    LOL at the people who think China became great as a result of itself. China's economy was built on stealing intellectual property from United State's businesses, large and small. China steals United States military secrets for its own military.

    China has no innovation. China is a bully thug country built on what it has stolen. OP should be proud.
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    Originally Posted by FFailed View Post
    Definitely impressive but I didn't even know Chinese people were allowed on the internet.
    They've got both extreme internet censorship and extreme monitoring.

    Over 2 million Chinese are employed full-time to do nothing more than monitor the net and report violations. China has a very large prison population of people whose only crime was saying the wrong thing online.

    Also how do you think tamorlane posts here?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...rship_in_China

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Firewall




    China employs two million microblog monitors state media say
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    ps. It's simply amazing how a people can come under the ownership, control, and enslavement of a brutally oppressive totalitarian government, and how they can do so by following political scams like the socialist and communist scams.
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    The primary reason for China's astronomical growth in all areas is the massive transfer of wealth from the US to China that has taken place over the past 4 decades
    Socialism plays a significant part in their success over the laggard Americans and their capitalism.

    Unlike America, virtually all of the access points that make up the internet “backbone” in China are state-owned, with private providers only able to lease out bandwidth from the government. This complete control over the infrastructure has played a pivotal role in its expedient rollout, with the country investing billions of dollars into the project over the past two decades.
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    Ya... if you want to gov to own your internet connection to censor you this makes a good argument. Tamorlane - do you not have enough self control to not go do things you're not supposed to, or not want to see so you want big daddy gov to come censor it for you? Will that make you sleep better? More comfortable knowing you're the little spoon to big daddy gov to keep you warm and safe at night?
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    Socialism plays a significant part in their success over the laggard Americans and their capitalism.
    That's not socialism, the people of China have relatively little control over anything, the CCP does.
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    That's not socialism, the people of China have relatively little control over anything, the CCP does.
    It’s the communist government with full control over the infrastructure throughout the entire country. To them, the entirety of the people can benefit from it. When they look at the US they see private corporations with no incentive to expand across the country especially in rural areas leaving many without access.

    ‘Building out fiber networks at scale can often be an incredibly expensive process. Some estimates place the average cost of building out fiber to even a single home to be as much as $8,000. With hundreds of millions of addresses to serve, private telecom has found it a difficult proposition to justify installing robust fiber networks, especially in less populous areas of the U.S..’
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    It’s the communist government with full control over the infrastructure throughout the entire country. To them, the entirety of the people can benefit from it. When they look at the US they see private corporations with no incentive to expand across the country especially in rural areas leaving many without access.

    ‘Building out fiber networks at scale can often be an incredibly expensive process. Some estimates place the average cost of building out fiber to even a single home to be as much as $8,000. With hundreds of millions of addresses to serve, private telecom has found it a difficult proposition to justify installing robust fiber networks, especially in less populous areas of the U.S..’
    They're Communist in name only, much like the National Socialist German Workers Party in Nazi Germany was Socialist in name only. Also, American telecom companies probably don't see the benefit in installing fiber to the rural areas because there isn't a high demand for it, or need really. China builds massive empty cities within its border and massive infrastructure projects domestically and internationally which go largely unused, so...
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    They're Communist in name only, much like the National Socialist German Workers Party in Nazi Germany was Socialist in name only. Also, American telecom companies probably don't see the benefit in installing fiber to the rural areas because there isn't a high demand for it, or need really.
    Okay let me rephrase. China is powering through because their government has taken complete control of the infrastructure and plan to roll out across the entire country.

    America is lagging behind significantly because the government doesn’t take control, its left up to the privately owned corporations, many of whom grew on the backs of tax payer subsidies, who don’t want to invest where there’s no return on their investment.

    One results in an unprecedented fiber optic networked nation state, the other is once dominant country struggling to expand its coverage because the privately owned corporations don’t want to.

    Another reason I’m proud to support Bernie Sanders who has a plan to make America competitive with China. He’s also been a very staunch opponent of trade deals that benefit China and the capitalists at the expense of American workers and their families.

    I wonder what trumps plan on the issue is. Or is he too busy with golf and watching cnn.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    Okay let me rephrase. China is powering through because their government has taken complete control of the infrastructure and plan to roll out across the entire country.

    America is lagging behind significantly because the government doesn’t take control, its left up to the privately owned corporations, many of whom grew on the backs of tax payer subsidies, who don’t want to invest where there’s no return on their investment.

    One results in an unprecedented fiber optic networked nation state, the other is once dominant country struggling to expand its coverage because the privately owned corporations don’t want to.

    Another reason I’m proud to support Bernie Sanders who has a plan to make America competitive with China. He’s also been a very staunch opponent of trade deals that benefit China and the capitalists at the expense of American workers and their families.

    I wonder what trumps plan on the issue is. Or is he too busy with golf and watching cnn.
    Supply & Demand dictate what goes where. Do Rural communities really need 5G and Fiber Optic Cables? No. And as I added to my earlier post, China is not known for efficiency, they built empty cities and massive infrastructure projects at home and abroad that see hardly any traffic.

    If you want to talk about Bernie and China, do you think he would be on board with doubling our national defense budget if needed?
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    Supply & Demand dictate what goes where. Do Rural communities really need 5G and Fiber Optic Cables? No. And as I added to my earlier post, China is not known for efficiency, they built empty cities and massive infrastructure projects at home and abroad that see hardly any traffic.
    Supply and demand doesn’t always help. It’s like leaving health care, emergency services or infrastructure to private corporations. Oh you’re way out in the sticks? Sorry we can’t send an ambulance unless you want to pay these extra travel charges.

    ‘The U.S. has a huge opportunity to bolster its fiber footprint and provide the same rich landscape for growth and innovation that China has built, and the benefits do not stop with tech; fiber connections can help to close the digital divide in rural America, increase farm yields, and stimulate local and regional economies.

    As we enter into the next stage of the digital era, these connections will play a pivotal role in determining where the most impactful breakthroughs and innovations of tomorrow will be made. If the U.S. is to remain competitive, it will need to take calculated steps toward closing its digital divide and bringing robust connectivity to all of its citizens.’

    If you want to talk about Bernie and China, do you think he would be on board with doubling our national defense budget if needed?
    I don’t know what the budget is but probably not considering he isn’t a war hawk and isn’t interested in preserving the military industrial complex at the expense of American lives.

    Trumps budget proposal was almost 70 cents of every dollar going to the military, leaving a mere 30 cents for everyone else, from health care to other social services.

    Sanders is intelligent, if he sees a threat like he did with China and other free trade agreements he will do what’s necessary to protect America.
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    And I'll give you this Tammy, yes there are benefits of China's system of central planning. Benefits that are large enough to have our lawmakers worried about what America can do to compete with it. Especially when their commercial and defense sectors are working together seamlessly to move China forward. There isn't that type of unity in the United States yet, not like China anyways. I'm sure it'll take a little bit but a couple of the articles I've posted in the last month or so in various threads have clearly outlined the challenges the US has in this regard and what we'll need to do to remain competitive. Our politicians just need to jump on board. Unfortunately, no candidate today other than Donald J. Trump publicly understands the hard reality with China. It's all about rehashing standard rhetoric (IP Theft, etc) & working on a mutually benefit economic relationship.

    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    I don’t know what the budget is but probably not considering he isn’t a war hawk and isn’t interested in preserving the military industrial complex at the expense of American lives.

    Trumps budget proposal was almost 70 cents of every dollar going to the military, leaving a mere 30 cents for everyone else, from health care to other social services.

    Sanders is intelligent, if he sees a threat like he did with China and other free trade agreements he will do what’s necessary to protect America.
    It doesn't have to require American lives to be spent. Part of the Cold War Arms build up strategy was to Escalate to De-Escalate. It's not like we ever wanted to use our B-2 Bombers to drop nuclear weapons on China, but they serve a symbolic purpose. Nations who don't have a means to defend themselves, especially ones that are the lead hegemonic power of the world, put themselves at risk. We have a duty to not only protect ourselves but every nation that shares similar views of liberty and democracy. That's what our global framework world is built upon. We may see something new forged going into this next century but to act like the threat of a major authoritarian power not using their military to accomplish their foreign policy goals is unlikely, is disregarding history. We need to be prepared, and we need to maintain our asymmetric advantage against China.
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    All of China can now access www.ccp.xi for their daily propaganda and social credit score updates
    Propaganda Source #1: http://english.cctv.com/
    Propaganda Source #2: https://www.cgtn.com/

    And here's a cool website I found for Chinese Propaganda Posters: https://chineseposters.net/gallery/e12-744.php

    These dudes look really happy:


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    So here we have OP yet again for the umpteenth time since at least 2013[https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...p?t=151577203] arguing what a great success a totalitarian communist government is.


    With all the foreign opponent governments with internet shill armies shilling on our internets, namely Russia/China/Iran/North Korea, anyone with this sort of behavior on American forums should be forced to verify their identity to the admin or get the boot.
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