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    Hero or Traitor: Chinese-American US Marine kills Chinese soldiers to save US Marines

    At the start of the Korean War, First Lieutenant Lee was in command of the 1st Platoon, Company B, 1st Battalion, 7th Marine Regiment training at Camp Pendleton under Colonel Homer Litzenberg. Soon, his unit received notice that it would ship out for the war zone at the beginning of September. Lee wanted to set a strong example of a fighting Chinese American. He said he "wanted to dispel the notion about the Chinese being weak, meek, and obsequious."[8] He did not expect to survive the war, and intended his death to "be honorable, be spectacular".[2]


    Late on December 2 after several days of exhausting combat during the Battle of Chosin Reservoir, Lee's platoon was given the task of spearheading a 500-man thrust against the Chinese forces in an effort to relieve the outnumbered Fox Company of 2nd Battalion 7th Marines trapped on Fox Hill, part of Toktong Pass and strategic to controlling the Chosin Reservoir road.

    He shouted "don't fire, I am a Chinese person" to Chinese soldiers, then they stopped returning fire. Taking advantage of this, Lee went in and killed them all to save his fellow US Marines.



    Uncle Lee killed fellow Chinese to prove that Chinese are not weak, meek, and obsequious

    Lee's allegiance towards his country of citizenship and service was greater than his love for his country of heritage
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    Not really a heroic method but a heroic outcome.

    War isn’t meant to be honorable or heroic anyways.
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    i can't respect someone like that
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    The fact that this is even a question makes me question your motives OP.
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    Originally Posted by kcadrenalin View Post
    The fact that this is even a question makes me question your motives OP.
    The fact that people have to even think about it and most put him in the grey area speaks volumes to the indoctrination of the left.

    You are either loyal to the country you are a citizen of and live in or you’re a traitor.

    Reason why I’m against dual citizenship.
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    He tricked and killed communists making him a hero. Forget about his race.
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    Originally Posted by Better Unborn View Post
    If it was a non-chinese guy that learned Chinese then fair play. In this case, much dishonor. He killed them because they spared his life.
    Their mistake LOL. A good lesson not to assume everyone who looks like you, is your friend. But yeah I can see how he got away with it, Chinese group think BIG TIME.
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    To us americans he's a hero. To Chinese, he's a traitor. Just a matter of perspective.
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    False surrender is a type of perfidy in the context of war. It is a war crime under Protocol I of the Geneva Convention.

    Later on, other Americans were in a similar situation and surrendered, the surrender wouldn't be taken, they'd be shot because of incidents like this.
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    Originally Posted by Jax05 View Post
    To us americans he's a hero. To Chinese, he's a traitor. Just a matter of perspective.
    Only reason the Chinese would see him as a traitor, is because he is presumably Han Chinese, and Chinese VERY MUCH associate race with country. To be Chinese is to be Han Chinese and ONLY Han Chinese. Otherwise he is rightfully an American first in the eyes of someone not looking at him through a racial lense.
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    Don't see how that's 'traitor' or 'grey area'?? How is he betraying anyone? He's an American marine serving his country. He had a job to do, and he did it well.
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    Originally Posted by iabs View Post
    The fact that people have to even think about it and most put him in the grey area speaks volumes to the indoctrination of the left.

    You are either loyal to the country you are a citizen of and live in or you’re a traitor.

    Reason why I’m against dual citizenship.
    So if your mom and the wife of your children were fighting you would shoot your mom cold-blooded? There is a reason why drafts let you out of combat roles if it's against your old country. That Chinese dude is the type of dude that would kill those people he saved by slitting their throats while they were sleeping for good $$$. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. The only way to win is not to play.

    Although I guess it's different since he volunteered into service and combat role. Dude's just a psycho.
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    Originally Posted by Uhyeahokay View Post
    False surrender is a type of perfidy in the context of war. It is a war crime under Protocol I of the Geneva Convention.

    Later on, other Americans were in a similar situation and surrendered, the surrender wouldn't be taken, they'd be shot because of incidents like this.
    Was it a 'fake surrender' though? Based on what OP posted it sounds like they thought he was chinese. If that's the case it wasn't a surrender at all.

    He literally just tricked them into thinking he was one of them.
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    If he was born in the USA he's an American. Get the **** out with thia divisive " chinese American" ****
    Was he born here or there?
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    So if your mom and the wife of your children were fighting you would shoot your mom cold-blooded? There is a reason why drafts let you out of combat roles if it's against your old country. That Chinese dude is the type of dude that would kill those people he saved by slitting their throats while they were sleeping for good $$$. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. The only way to win is not to play.

    Although I guess it's different since he volunteered into service and combat role. Dude's just a psycho.
    this blind loyalty some people have to their race is retarded. this guy was born in san fran and grew up american.

    he was a Lt also, so he was responsible for all the men under him

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    He was an American of Chinese descent. But an American, fighting a war for America. There have been soldiers of middle eastern descent, who are Americans, that have fought in the war on terror. Same thing in the modern era.

    There is a big difference in fighting, and killing because of racial lines. And fighting and killing for a cause you believe in.




    This Chinese guy was just a straight up savage.
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    Originally Posted by casiNo. View Post
    this blind loyalty some people have to their race is retarded. this guy was born in san fran and grew up american.
    So why was he fluent in Chinese?

    The reason you think loyalty is retarded or don't understand it as a deep pillar of your being is because you are probably mixed or don't have an actual background. This is precisely why globalists are so keen on mixing. They only internal loyalties are to the state.

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    Originally Posted by Slurgie View Post
    Was it a 'fake surrender' though? Based on what OP posted it sounds like they thought he was chinese. If that's the case it wasn't a surrender at all.

    He literally just tricked them into thinking he was one of them.
    Maybe he did. The wording is vague as fuk tho and I haven't researched the incident but "don't fire" even in Chinese coming from an enemy trench, i'd take that as an act of surrender. Also to get close to them realistically he must have had his hands up, words wouldn't have been enough in that situation unless he took off his uniform and acted like he fell behind enemy lines. which leads to other violation questions.

    Either way, the Chinese traitor thing wouldn't bother me.
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    If he was born in the USA he's an American. Get the **** out with thia divisive " chinese American" ****
    in an ideal world that would make sense but it's not an ideal world. society is shallow. things like race and ethnicity is a huge part of society. like over here people don't think of me as canadian, i'm looked as an asian person over here. or chinese but i'm not even chinese. i could not shoot my blood for a country that thinks of me as being different. even though i'm born here i'm an alien.

    the difference with this guy is he's a soldier. i think if you're a soldier, then you're equivalent with the men you work with. i mean i feel that way when i develop bonds with coworkers in physical labour jobs, we sweat and work hard together, so i earn respect from my coworkers.

    in the civilian world he'd probably looked at as chinese first before being american. dude lining up for fried chicken at kfc and some white supremacist is like why is this immigrant in front of me.
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    Originally Posted by casiNo. View Post
    this blind loyalty some people have to their race is retarded. this guy was born in san fran and grew up american.

    he was a Lt also, so he was responsible for all the men under him

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    Born in San Francisco. If you're born in a country that gives you citizenship, and you're the son of an immigrant, you owe allegiance to that country. Not your "country of heritage" whatever the hell that is
    Then he was a crafty American hero psycho
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    I don't value loyalty to a country or people. I value loyalty to ethical principles. To me, the Korean war was one giant chitshow. There was basically no good guy. There was also a draft, so many of the American men fighting in the war did not want to be there. I am of the opinion that anyone who signed up to go, no matter the noble intent to serve their country, performed an immoral act. The war was full of atrocities on each side. So, I wouldn't view him as a traitor or a hero. I'd view him as a dude who killed people he didn't have to. Many young men join the military under the guise of trying to be part of the group and serve it. They seek to prove their loyalty and worth. It's a form of collective narcissism/chauvinism. And of course, them, being generally skilless and unintelligent, seek to prove their worth in the dumbest way possible -- by killing others. It's pretty easy to kill somebody. It really doesn't take a lot of deep thought. From Lee's wikipedia: "He did not expect to survive the war, and intended his death to "be honorable, be spectacular"."

    In other words, he was traumatized by PTSD from WW2 and sought to die. When people talk about toxic masculinity, this is what they are talking about. The glorification of violence and warfare to prove one's worth. In reality, your worth to society is irrelevant. None of that will validate your own worth as a person. Society can fuking burn, and the best thing you can do is step back and watch these apes rip it to pieces with their lack of civility and failure to understand simple reasoning. The best thing is for you to make sure YOU live an honorable life, and that means not killing anyone unless you have to. That means doing as little collective harm as possible. Obviously, wars are sometimes necessary. But it's hard to find any good reason why any American should have ever gotten involved in the Korean war. So many died for no fuking reason.

    If you sign up to join the military and put your life on the line to serve your country, that's great and all, but you should know that our military is really a corrupt organization that is the enforcement wing of a giant mafia. When you understand that, you are directly responsible for any killings you carry out or aid. That blood is on your hands, and no amount of jingoistic chest beating will wash that blood away. You aren't fighting for freedom or to protect democracy. You're murdering for special corporate interests.

    The last time the US was directly attacked in an act of war was Pearl Harbor, and we retaliated in the most grotesque way imaginable. So, forgive me for laughing at the idea that anyone fights for our freedom. The truth is that they fight to prove they can, they fight for money, and they fight because they are intellectually too cowardly to build and would rather destroy. Most of those who blow up buildings have zero clue how to build one. They don't know how to analyze the stress in beams. They can't fuking engineer the heating and cooling systems. They have zero idea how much work went in to building what they just destroyed. They laugh as they drive tanks they do not understand through cities, laying ruin to civilizations. They are monsters.

    Sometimes, I do think we need a nuclear war so that you savages can all wake up. You will prove your glory and worth as your fuking atoms are torn apart. Then, maybe those of you who survive will put your guns down and pick up some books for once in your fuking lives.

    TLDR: dude is neither a hero nor a traitor...he's a guy who decided to kill people and pretend it was for some great cause
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    The majority of white Americans come from German ancestry. Were they traitors for fighting against Germany in WW1 and WW2? Many still spoke the language, especially during WW1. Same with Italians in WW2. What about the Mexicans and Spaniards who fought for Texas independence from Mexico?

    I don't see any of them as traitors.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    I don't value loyalty to a country or people. I value loyalty to ethical principles. To me, the Korean war was one giant chitshow. There was basically no good guy. There was also a draft, so many of the American men fighting in the war did not want to be there. I am of the opinion that anyone who signed up to go, no matter the noble intent to serve their country, performed an immoral act. The war was full of atrocities on each side. So, I wouldn't view him as a traitor or a hero. I'd view him as a dude who killed people he didn't have to. Many young men join the military under the guise of trying to be part of the group and serve it. They seek to prove their loyalty and worth. It's a form of collective narcissism/chauvinism. And of course, them, being generally skilless and unintelligent, seek to prove their worth in the dumbest way possible -- by killing others. It's pretty easy to kill somebody. It really doesn't take a lot of deep thought. From Lee's wikipedia: "He did not expect to survive the war, and intended his death to "be honorable, be spectacular"."

    In other words, he was traumatized by PTSD from WW2 and sought to die. When people talk about toxic masculinity, this is what they are talking about. The glorification of violence and warfare to prove one's worth. In reality, your worth to society is irrelevant. None of that will validate your own worth as a person. Society can fuking burn, and the best thing you can do is step back and watch these apes rip it to pieces with their lack of civility and failure to understand simple reasoning. The best thing is for you to make sure YOU live an honorable life, and that means not killing anyone unless you have to. That means doing as little collective harm as possible. Obviously, wars are sometimes necessary. But it's hard to find any good reason why any American should have ever gotten involved in the Korean war. So many died for no fuking reason.

    If you sign up to join the military and put your life on the line to serve your country, that's great and all, but you should know that our military is really a corrupt organization that is the enforcement wing of a giant mafia. When you understand that, you are directly responsible for any killings you carry out or aid. That blood is on your hands, and no amount of jingoistic chest beating will wash that blood away. You aren't fighting for freedom or to protect democracy. You're murdering for special corporate interests.

    The last time the US was directly attacked in an act of war was Pearl Harbor, and we retaliated in the most grotesque way imaginable. So, forgive me for laughing at the idea that anyone fights for our freedom. The truth is that they fight to prove they can, they fight for money, and they fight because they are intellectually too cowardly to build and would rather destroy. Most of those who blow up buildings have zero clue how to build one. They don't know how to analyze the stress in beams. They can't fuking engineer the heating and cooling systems. They have zero idea how much work went in to building what they just destroyed. They laugh as they drive tanks they do not understand through cities, laying ruin to civilizations. They are monsters.

    Sometimes, I do think we need a nuclear war so that you savages can all wake up. You will prove your glory and worth as your fuking atoms are torn apart. Then, maybe those of you who survive will put your guns down and pick up some books for once in your fuking lives.

    TLDR: dude is neither a hero nor a traitor...he's a guy who decided to kill people and pretend it was for some great cause
    You do realize that without our "evil" killers, we would be killed instead and all of our great achievements would become the property of the country that was better at violence than us don't you?

    Unless you can simultaneously convince the entire world to come together to roast marshmallows and sing kumbaya, we are going to need the ability to cause extreme violence. It isn't pretty, but it is necessary. I'd rather our killers look forward to doing their jobs than feel chitty about it and quit or kill themselves. We need our killers. Killing literally does keep us free. If we said "no more war" tomorrow and threw away all our weapons, do you think we'd stay a free country?
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    You guys are making it too simple. This was the Korean war which was threatening the spread of communism throughout the continent. You've got Koreans killing Koreans to stop the spread of an oppressive ideology, why is it hard to understand an American of Chinese heritage fighting against the communist Chinese who are supporting the spread of communism?
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    I don't see him as a traitor at all.

    He was a Marine. He did what he needed to do to help his fellow Marines.
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