View Poll Results: Was Chinese-American Marine Officer Lee a hero or traitor?

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    Originally Posted by Muzzlrpress View Post
    You do realize that without our "evil" killers, we would be killed instead and all of our great achievements would become the property of the country that was better at violence than us don't you?

    Unless you can simultaneously convince the entire world to come together to roast marshmallows and sing kumbaya, we are going to need the ability to cause extreme violence. It isn't pretty, but it is necessary. I'd rather our killers look forward to doing their jobs than feel chitty about it and quit or kill themselves. We need our killers. Killing literally does keep us free. If we said "no more war" tomorrow and threw away all our weapons, do you think we'd stay a free country?
    No. We would not be killed. Who attacked us since Pearl Harbor? A group of terrorists who numbered under 100 strong. So, what did we do? Did we follow international law? No. Did we address their concerns and apologize for the things we did to create the issue? No. What did we do? We rewrote the law and invaded. We started wars that have destabilized and killed millions. And what happened? Now there are way more people who want to kill us. The war on terror created tens of thousands of terrorists. Good job. We invented our problems. We created the fuking problem. It was manufactured by us. Now people really do want to destroy the US and it is all our fault.

    The ability to cause extreme violence is not the same as actually going over there and causing it. We've had the ability to inflict extreme violence for the better part of a century now. Killing does not keep you free. The power to kill does. And that power was invented by physicists who never fired a bullet. There is a difference between throwing away weapons and refusing to use them unless necessary. I said put the guns down. I didn't say destroy them. However, we would ultimately need nuclear disarmament because if we lock ourselves in an arms race, we are statistically guaranteeing there will eventually be a nuclear war.

    Your freedom was never directly threatened. We were actively threatening the freedom of Iraq with our Draconian sanctions, as we are now threatening the freedom of Venezuela and North Korea. We are provoking attacks. Why/ because we don't agree with how other people run their countries. It's not our business. It never was. Our police do more to protect freedom than our military does. The biggest threats to freedom for the people of the US come from other people in the US.

    There is also a great counterexample to your argument. Switzerland.
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    Originally Posted by Better Unborn View Post
    So why was he fluent in Chinese?

    The reason you think loyalty is retarded or don't understand it as a deep pillar of your being is because you are probably mixed or don't have an actual background. This is precisely why globalists are so keen on mixing. They only internal loyalties are to the state.

    He may have done the right thing but at the same time it was treachery to the highest degree, make no mistake.

    probably cuz his parents made him learn it,
    so ur saying he should be loyal to a group of people he has no association with, other than looking the same. opposed to the people he grew up with



    also he wasn't surrendering, he went up to the enemy position and fooled the sentry into thinking he was a Chinese soldier/ defector after assaulting his way up with grenades and small arms fire
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    More like a useful idiot lmao. If he saw how Asians were treated in the US back then, he would probably think twice. Same thing with the Black people who died for white people who hated them. What a bunch of idiots.
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    Originally Posted by CivilApocracy View Post
    More like a useful idiot lmao. If he saw how Asians were treated in the US back then, he would probably think twice. Same thing with the Black people who died for white people who hated them. What a bunch of idiots.
    That's why I say it is about being loyal to a set of principles rather than a particular government, race, etc. The principles don't change. If you stay loyal to the principles, you can never be led astray. The most important principle of all is the golden rule/tit for tat. You should maintain a general level of nonaggression unless necessary. This is the foundation of libertarian ideology, and is one of the key principles for peace in eastern religions, such as buddhism and hinduism. It is also a key principle in the Abrahamic religions as well. This is no accident. It is the evolutionarily stable strategy in these types of cooperative interactions.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    That's why I say it is about being loyal to a set of principles rather than a particular government, race, etc. The principles don't change. If you stay loyal to the principles, you can never be led astray. The most important principle of all is the golden rule/tit for tat. You should maintain a general level of nonaggression unless necessary. This is the foundation of libertarian ideology, and is one of the key principles for peace in eastern religions, such as buddhism and hinduism. It is also a key principle in the Abrahamic religions as well. This is no accident. It is the evolutionarily stable strategy in these types of cooperative interactions.
    That stupid and destructive thinking. It worked out so well for the Native Americans who allied with the colonists or the Natives with Cortes huh? Their land destroyed along with their own people. Now all they have is the mutilated corpse of a culture.
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    Sounds like the type of guy who would betray America when convenient as well.
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    Originally Posted by CivilApocracy View Post
    That stupid and destructive thinking. It worked out so well for the Native Americans who allied with the colonists or the Natives with Cortes huh? Their land destroyed along with their own people. Now all they have is the mutilated corpse of a culture.
    most descendants of the Natives in Latin America consider themselves "Latino" and literally think they WERE the conquistadors instead of the conquered Natives (with some rape blood)
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    Originally Posted by CivilApocracy View Post
    That stupid and destructive thinking. It worked out so well for the Native Americans who allied with the colonists or the Natives with Cortes huh? Their land destroyed along with their own people. Now all they have is the mutilated corpse of a culture.
    No. Tit for tat means if attacked, you strike back. Many Native Americans fought and lost, sadly. It is what it is. But being loyal to a race is a total fuking joke. I have more in common with like minded people from other countries and races. My loyalty is not to the US, or to my race, or to any other bullchit like that. It's to those core principles. Ideas, such as liberty, general nonaggression, scientific advancement.
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    I didn't read but how could an American Marine be a traitor for killing enemy combatants?
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    He was an American citizen and member of the U.S. military. The fact that he was of Chinese descent means nothing in terms of which country he was supposed to show allegiance to. The guy was literally born in the U.S., for that matter. The only way he could have been classified as a "traitor" is if he had begun fighting for the Chinese in the war instead.

    The way he got them to stop firing at him by pleading for them to spare his life due to being Chinese himself, and then proceeding to slaughter them was definitely a dark move. That being said, real wars aren't Hollywood movies, and less than honorable things happen in them. I doubt they'd have spared him once they realized he was in fact an American soldier.

    The guy served his country in three wars, including one in an active combat role. WWII, Korean War (the combat roles one) and Vietnam. Trying to frame him as a traitor for not siding with a country he wasn't even born in is flat out insane.
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