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    Originally Posted by Jayarbie View Post
    Well, I don't think it's really the state's place to mandate that doctors try to shame women into changing their mind about what is already a very difficult decision. As a libertarian, that strikes me as a gross overstep of government authority.
    I can see why people would think it is shaming. But there is a necessity for people to understand the scope of their decision too. It's definitely not an easy decision for most women that have to do it and I'm sure a lot of them need to have an "out of sight, out of mind" approach to it in order to make the decision. But the reality stands on what exactly it is. For those with a strong conscious, it's going to be a lot more difficult. I'm sure it already was extremely difficult for those with a strong conscious to even get to their point. Idk, it's a tough one for sure but I think ensuring people understand what they're doing holds importance.
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    Originally Posted by Jayarbie View Post
    Well, I don't think it's really the state's place to mandate that doctors try to shame women into changing their mind about what is already a very difficult decision. As a libertarian, that strikes me as a gross overstep of government authority.
    Agreed. You know it's some one-hour-a-week "christian" trying to impose his beliefs on others. I'm fairly against the concept of abortion but don't feel comfortable supporting a government to enforce legislation around it. It's not a bad idea in itself, but making it a law with legal consequences is an overreach of authority.

    Especially considering conservatives are for small government and getting rid of the government between you and whatever else. But when it helps push their agenda, they're all for it.
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    Let the states decide how to run their states.

    Question for you pro lifers, you already hate people on welfare, but you want millions of more kids born? So you can spend more on welfare?

    Just seems so incongruent to me.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Let the states decide how to run their states.

    Question for you pro lifers, you already hate people on welfare, but you want millions of more kids born? So you can spend more on welfare?

    Just seems so incongruent to me.
    our culture is absolutely pathetic when these are the only options

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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    I think people should understand the gravity of the decision they are making. I am fine with it. I don't see how pro-choicers could have a problem with it logically...they say its perfectly OK to abort the fetus, so who cares if the Doctor describes the fetus to the patient?
    I am pro choice and have no issue with this.

    I do have a problem with calling abortion "reproductive freedom" or other BS that diminishes the gravity of the event.

    You are terminating your pregnancy. Own the choice, it is yours to make and should not be made lightly.

    If more people (men and women) took this a bit more seriously there would be less accidental pregnancies to begin with.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Let the states decide how to run their states.

    Question for you pro lifers, you already hate people on welfare, but you want millions of more kids born? So you can spend more on welfare?

    Just seems so incongruent to me.
    And yet, you support gun bans at the Federal level...
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    Hilarious how the ACLU cites political interference when that's precisely what they're trying to do here.

    Don't want mommy finding out she has a perfectly healthy fetus living in her before she has its skull crushed. She might do something crazy like try and protect it!
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Let the states decide how to run their states.

    Question for you pro lifers, you already hate people on welfare, but you want millions of more kids born? So you can spend more on welfare?

    Just seems so incongruent to me.

    So your two predetermined outcomes in life are death by vacuum or welfare dependence? What the fuk?
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    You don't know that that life will be miserable. The next Einstein might have been aborted. Let that sink in.

    Also solution is pretty ez. Just end welfare. Those people are gonna die anyway. Might as well let them be born and try to do something.

    I am all for anything that increases the misery of sexually irresponsible people. That's how you bring chastity and fidelity back.
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    Originally Posted by 89FoxBody View Post
    So your two predetermined outcomes in life are death by vacuum or welfare dependence? What the fuk?
    Inevitably some portion of these new babies will end up in the social service system. Are you guys ok paying more taxes for them?
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Inevitably some portion of these new babies will end up in the social service system. Are you guys ok paying more taxes for them?
    No, I've said numerous times here this is one thing where I strongly part ways with conservatives.

    I'm not exactly a fan of the act itself, but being pragmatic....we already have enough of a problem with shytbags irresponsibly having kids, we don't need to make it worse by getting rid of abortion. Getting rid of it won't magically make people more responsible. It will just lead to more unwanted children born to welfare mooching parents, and many of which will probably be future criminals due to shyt parenting (or being passed foster homes or whatever).
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    Originally Posted by Polaris View Post
    No, I've said numerous times here this is one thing where I strongly part ways with conservatives.

    I'm not exactly a fan of the act itself, but being pragmatic....we already have enough of a problem with shytbags irresponsibly having kids, we don't need to make it worse by getting rid of abortion. Getting rid of it won't magically make people more responsible. It will just lead to more unwanted children born to welfare mooching parents, and many of which will probably be future criminals due to shyt parenting (or being passed foster homes or whatever).
    Not to mention the compounding effect those almost million annual people will have on the resources of this country. Extrapolate that out for 50 years and suddenly the US has population issues.
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    You don't know that that life will be miserable. The next Einstein might have been aborted. Let that sink in.

    Also solution is pretty ez. Just end welfare. Those people are gonna die anyway. Might as well let them be born and try to do something.

    I am all for anything that increases the misery of sexually irresponsible people. That's how you bring chastity and fidelity back.
    You only say that because you can't get laid.

    At the end of the day, if these states want to save children's lives, why don't they do a buy out program? I bet a lot of these trashy people getting abortions would accept $3k to carry the baby full term and then get their tubes tied afterwards. I feel as if a lot of conservative policy is virtue signaling, not unlike what the left does, just in the opposite direction.

    In gun threads I always ask leftists, do they care about how many people die in general, or how many people die by guns? Because if you care about deaths in total, guns don't even register on the list of things to ban in order to decrease death tolls. Or do these leftists only care that people don't die by guns, because as it's been proven time and time again, banning of guns doesn't mean less homicides, it usually means more. Conservatives love that argument.

    Now take that argument and apply it abortion, and suddenly they hate the same logic. Are you pro life people against children dying, or are you just against them dying via abortion? Because you guys are quick to want to ban abortion, but also don't want anything to do with the kid who will be born unwanted, and 9/10 times will live a shytty life, that's if they even survive their childhood.
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    I think people should understand the gravity of the decision they are making. I am fine with it. I don't see how pro-choicers could have a problem with it logically...they say its perfectly OK to abort the fetus, so who cares if the Doctor describes the fetus to the patient?
    I’m with you, I think this law should be standard. I know more than one woman who has massive regrets and issues with the mental side post-abortion, they never tell you about that they say. They’re told it’s as simple as disposing of a trash bag and skip over the fact that it’s a real human baby being killed, their human baby.

    The way some people trivialize abortion is disgusting and unfair to mothers and pregnant women. Of course, we all know the major downplaying of what’s taking place is by design.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Let the states decide how to run their states.

    Question for you pro lifers, you already hate people on welfare, but you want millions of more kids born? So you can spend more on welfare?

    Just seems so incongruent to me.
    Yeah I am morally pro-life but legally pro-choice if that makes sense. Simply because our society as we know it would collapse without abortion. A very sad state of affairs but it is what it is.

    My solution: Voluntary sterilization for a one time lump sum payout.


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    Originally Posted by compan View Post
    I can see why people would think it is shaming. But there is a necessity for people to understand the scope of their decision too. It's definitely not an easy decision for most women that have to do it and I'm sure a lot of them need to have an "out of sight, out of mind" approach to it in order to make the decision. But the reality stands on what exactly it is. For those with a strong conscious, it's going to be a lot more difficult. I'm sure it already was extremely difficult for those with a strong conscious to even get to their point. Idk, it's a tough one for sure but I think ensuring people understand what they're doing holds importance.
    How does one even have a strong conscious, what does that mean?
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    How does one even have a strong conscious, what does that mean?
    They're not completely cold-hearted. Someone whose conscious often gets the better of them in decisions.
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    Originally Posted by compan View Post
    They're not completely cold-hearted. Someone whose conscious often gets the better of them in decisions.
    Using the wrong word
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    Yeah I am morally pro-life but legally pro-choice if that makes sense. Simply because our society as we know it would collapse without abortion. A very sad state of affairs but it is what it is.

    My solution: Voluntary sterilization for a one time lump sum payout.


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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Question for you pro lifers, you already hate people on welfare, but you want millions of more kids born? So you can spend more on welfare?
    Nobody hates people on welfare wtf. You're an absolute wacko. How the fk do you equate being on welfare with literally murdering people? Unbelievable. Stupidest post I've read in a long time.
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    Yeah I am morally pro-life but legally pro-choice if that makes sense. Simply because our society as we know it would collapse without abortion. A very sad state of affairs but it is what it is.

    My solution: Voluntary sterilization for a one time lump sum payout.


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    I'd be for that. If those folks decided they wanted kids later they could adopt.

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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    Agreed. You know it's some one-hour-a-week "christian" trying to impose his beliefs on others. I'm fairly against the concept of abortion but don't feel comfortable supporting a government to enforce legislation around it. It's not a bad idea in itself, but making it a law with legal consequences is an overreach of authority.

    Especially considering conservatives are for small government and getting rid of the government between you and whatever else. But when it helps push their agenda, they're all for it.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Let the states decide how to run their states.

    Question for you pro lifers, you already hate people on welfare, but you want millions of more kids born? So you can spend more on welfare?

    Just seems so incongruent to me.
    You constantly mock people on welfare.....certain kinds of people.
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