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    You do seem to get on their nerves an awful lot...the cognitive dissonance is strong in them.
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    Originally Posted by FoxMcCocks View Post
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    Rampage has posted in this thread 48 times.

    48 times - with nothing but completely insane CT nonsense.

    XterraRob not far behind...This is legitimate mental illness right here.
    Imagine having so little of a life you start counting how many times forum members post in each thread...
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    Originally Posted by Fishman15 View Post
    Imagine having so little of a life you start counting how many times forum members post in each thread...
    Yeah FoxMcCocks does sound to me like the type of username some deranged lib working at the CIA or FBI would use to come post bull**** on a message board.....
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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    The IG report says that he used testimony and communications to make the determination of bias.

    Shocking, strzok, McCabe, page, and others didn't come out and say "ya, we were totally biased. You caught us!"

    Their other communications show a clear pattern of loving Clinton and treating her case with kid gloves, and hating trump and spying on his members both with FISA warrants and with foreign spies simply because downer told them a trump team member heard that Russia had Clinton's emails... No bias in how either of those were handled...

    I'm not sure if Horowitz knows the definition of bias, but he isn't fooling anyone except those who want to be fooled.

    Regardless of bias, they used a fake dossier, signed off that it was verified, withheld exculpatory evidence, withheld derogatory info on steele and in fact boosted steele beyond his credentials... and did with multiple times during renewals when they knew the info was bunk... all in an effort to spy on Trump. All spelled out for you in the report.

    The fact that you are arguing these details tells me you haven't read the report, or you are so far gone in your CT world that there is no hope for you.
    CT gonna CT. All that spying on Trump, all that handling Clinton with kid gloves to only tor**** Clinton's campaign at the 11th hour while exonerating Trump's. Why is common sense so lacking in Trump supporters? Just like Trump only tried to extort Ukraine for dirt on Biden because he wanted to "investigate corruption."

    How phuking dense do you have to be? Common sense would tell anyone, well other than a CT shill that is, that if the goal of the DOJ was to spy on Trump's campaign to do him harm, they would have done him harm.

    As an aside, can anyone think of a single non-political reason that Barr and Durham would comment on the IG report? The IG is the government instrument to investigate misdoings and Barr comes out and contradicts his own IG? And Durham comments as well? Did Mueller ever comment other than to correct the record on supposed leaks about his own investigation?

    It's like you boyos support some kind of comic book bad guy with evil henchmen who do so much evil chit out in the open it's obvious how evil they are.

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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    CT gonna CT. All that spying on Trump, all that handling Clinton with kid gloves to only tor**** Clinton's campaign at the 11th hour while exonerating Trump's. Why is common sense so lacking in Trump supporters? Just like Trump only tried to extort Ukraine for dirt on Biden because he wanted to "investigate corruption."

    How phuking dense do you have to be? Common sense would tell anyone, well other than a CT shill that is, that if the goal of the DOJ was to spy on Trump's campaign to do him harm, they would have done him harm.

    As an aside, can anyone think of a single non-political reason that Barr and Durham would comment on the IG report? The IG is the government instrument to investigate misdoings and Barr comes out and contradicts his own IG? And Durham comments as well? Did Mueller ever comment other than to correct the record on supposed leaks about his own investigation?

    It's like you boyos support some kind of comic book bad guy with evil henchmen who do so much evil chit out in the open it's obvious how evil they are.

    Crazy times.
    In the article I posted, there are only 3 variables. Papadapolos, downer and mifsud. Clearly there is an issue with either downer or mifsud, most likely mifsud.

    Durham and Barr have more information than Horowitz.

    Speaking of mueller though, we should apply his “I cannot exonerate” principle and everyone in the FBI is now guilty by liberal standards. I like where this is going.
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    And the director of the FBI reacts to the report. ib4 deep state.

    In an exclusive broadcast interview with ABC News, Wray lamented "actions described in this report that [he] considered unacceptable and unrepresentative of who we are as an institution." But, he said it was "important that the inspector general found that, in this particular instance, the investigation was opened with appropriate predication and authorization."

    and in relation to the CT shill bs about Ukraine interferring in the 2016 election.

    "Wray also pushed back on a widely debunked theory put forth by the president and his allies that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 election – and sounded the alarm on the Kremlin’s plans for the 2020 cycle.

    “We have no information that indicates that Ukraine interfered with the 2016 presidential election,” Wray said, adding that “as far as the [2020] election itself goes, we think Russia represents the most significant threat.”


    You CT shills are a real threat to this country.

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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    In the article I posted, there are only 3 variables. Papadapolos, downer and mifsud. Clearly there is an issue with either downer or mifsud, most likely mifsud.

    Durham and Barr have more information than Horowitz.

    Speaking of mueller though, we should apply his “I cannot exonerate” principle and everyone in the FBI is now guilty by liberal standards. I like where this is going.
    Explain to me how the FBI hurt Trump's campaign since you so adamantly insist that they did. And tell me how telling the world that Hillary is under investigation 2 weeks before the election was treating her with kid gloves?

    For gods sake man try to use what little common sense you have.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Explain to me how the FBI hurt Trump's campaign since you so adamantly insist that they did. And tell me how telling the world that Hillary is under investigation 2 weeks before the election was treating her with kid gloves?

    For gods sake man try to use what little common sense you have.
    You’ve asked the same question for 2 years and I’ve given you the same answer for 2 years. I’m not sure what else I can do for you sillie. You just don’t listen. Or you have the memory of a goldfish.
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    To review, the entire predicate for the fbi thinking it was reasonable to open an investigation into trumps team was that downer heard from Thompson, who heard from papa, who heard from mifsud that Russia might have Clinton’s emails.

    That was their reason for thinking that trumps campaign was colluding with Russia...

    And coincidentally, at the same time Hilary linked people are all giving the fbi fake info for the fbi to justify it. The Steele dossier, the downer “tip,” Perkins coie lawyer telling the fbi about Russian pings coming from trump tower servers, etc.

    Clinton literally manufactured an investigation into her opponent and the fbi went along with it. As the IG report shows, none of it was true.

    They lied to a court saying they had probable cause to believe trump had foreign spies in his campaign based on the above.

    And libs are celebrating this ass victory.

    You can’t polish a turd.

    And best of all, the people who have been investigating this further say they have info that makes them come to different conclusions...
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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    To review, the entire predicate for the fbi thinking it was reasonable to open an investigation into trumps team was that downer heard from Thompson, who heard from papa, who heard from mifsud that Russia might have Clinton’s emails.

    That was their reason for thinking that trumps campaign was colluding with Russia...

    And coincidentally, at the same time Hilary linked people are all giving the fbi fake info for the fbi to justify it. The Steele dossier, the downer “tip,” Perkins coie lawyer telling the fbi about Russian pings coming from trump tower servers, etc.

    Clinton literally manufactured an investigation into her opponent and the fbi went along with it. As the IG report shows, none of it was true.

    They lied to a court saying they had probable cause to believe trump had foreign spies in his campaign based on the above.

    And libs are celebrating this ass victory.

    You can’t polish a turd.

    And best of all, the people who have been investigating this further say they have info that makes them come to different conclusions...
    To review, pretty much every talking point the CT retards like sillie, pat, aricuck, etc have all been debunked. They bought everything their masters have told them hook line and sinker and their feelers are still hurt.
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    lol, I guess that's why he was held in contempt of Congress...

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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    To review, the entire predicate for the fbi thinking it was reasonable to open an investigation into trumps team was that downer heard from Thompson, who heard from papa, who heard from mifsud that Russia might have Clinton’s emails.

    That was their reason for thinking that trumps campaign was colluding with Russia...

    And coincidentally, at the same time Hilary linked people are all giving the fbi fake info for the fbi to justify it. The Steele dossier, the downer “tip,” Perkins coie lawyer telling the fbi about Russian pings coming from trump tower servers, etc.

    Clinton literally manufactured an investigation into her opponent and the fbi went along with it. As the IG report shows, none of it was true.

    They lied to a court saying they had probable cause to believe trump had foreign spies in his campaign based on the above.

    And libs are celebrating this ass victory.

    You can’t polish a turd.

    And best of all, the people who have been investigating this further say they have info that makes them come to different conclusions...
    Clinton started the investigation now?

    And the IG report said the investigation was appropriate you potato.

    WTF do you think Barr and Durham disagreed with the report in such a political manner?

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    Sillie, I'm going to be generous and give you a few points so that we can have a meaningful conversation here.

    1) I'll give you that the opening of crossfire hurricane was legally predicated. Even though this is disputed by both Barr and Durham with the information they have, let's pretend that it was OK to open the investigation. **keep in mind this is different than obtaining FISA warrants***

    2) I'll even be INCREDIBLY generous and pretend and the first FISA warrant was OK. They used an unverified dossier and signed off that it was verified... lied about their source, lied about not having derogatory info on their source, withheld exculpatory info, etc. but lets pretend that was just a whoopsie.

    FISA warrants 2-4 were all a conspiracy to commit fraud on the FISA court. They interviewed steele's source and he admitted the info was garbage bar talk. They then went to the court and said that the source was TRUSTWORTHY AND CORROBORATED the findings in the dossier. We had people manufacturing evidence to hide the fact that Page was a CIA informant who was specifically tasked with talking to the Russians they were saying was proof that he was a foreign spy... There are countless other examples where they KNOWINGLY committed fraud on the court to continue to spy. There is absolutely no justification for any of the renewals.

    Because I'm feeling generous, I'll even give you one last bone. Horowitz said they weren't politically motivated in their efforts to spy on trump and commit fraud on the court. I think common sense would argue against that... they did everything in their power to lie to the courts to spy, their texts were pro-Clinton and anti-trump, one of the agents who manipulated documents to hide the fact that Page was a CIA informant also said "viva la resistance." But I'll give you that they weren't politically biased.

    If it wasn't political bias, I want you to come up with their motive for committing fraud on the court to spy on trump and continue the investigation when they had no factual reason to do so.
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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    Sillie, I'm going to be generous and give you a few points so that we can have a meaningful conversation here.

    1) I'll give you that the opening of crossfire hurricane was legally predicated. Even though this is disputed by both Barr and Durham with the information they have, let's pretend that it was OK to open the investigation. **keep in mind this is different than obtaining FISA warrants***

    2) I'll even be INCREDIBLY generous and pretend and the first FISA warrant was OK. They used an unverified dossier and signed off that it was verified... lied about their source, lied about not having derogatory info on their source, withheld exculpatory info, etc. but lets pretend that was just a whoopsie.

    FISA warrants 2-4 were all a conspiracy to commit fraud on the FISA court. They interviewed steele's source and he admitted the info was garbage bar talk. They then went to the court and said that the source was TRUSTWORTHY AND CORROBORATED the findings in the dossier. We had people manufacturing evidence to hide the fact that Page was a CIA informant who was specifically tasked with talking to the Russians they were saying was proof that he was a foreign spy... There are countless other examples where they KNOWINGLY committed fraud on the court to continue to spy. There is absolutely no justification for any of the renewals.

    Because I'm feeling generous, I'll even give you one last bone. Horowitz said they weren't politically motivated in their efforts to spy on trump and commit fraud on the court. I think common sense would argue against that... they did everything in their power to lie to the courts to spy, their texts were pro-Clinton and anti-trump, one of the agents who manipulated documents to hide the fact that Page was a CIA informant also said "viva la resistance." But I'll give you that they weren't politically biased.

    If it wasn't political bias, I want you to come up with their motive for committing fraud on the court to spy on trump and continue the investigation when they had no factual reason to do so.
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    Originally Posted by Iczer View Post
    Prepare to not be answered and to be insulted. You can't reason with nutjobs like Sillie.
    I gave him every possible concession and then some from the report. Not sure how you can argue with that.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    And the director of the FBI reacts to the report. ib4 deep state.

    In an exclusive broadcast interview with ABC News, Wray lamented "actions described in this report that [he] considered unacceptable and unrepresentative of who we are as an institution." But, he said it was "important that the inspector general found that, in this particular instance, the investigation was opened with appropriate predication and authorization."

    and in relation to the CT shill bs about Ukraine interferring in the 2016 election.

    "Wray also pushed back on a widely debunked theory put forth by the president and his allies that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 election – and sounded the alarm on the Kremlin’s plans for the 2020 cycle.

    “We have no information that indicates that Ukraine interfered with the 2016 presidential election,” Wray said, adding that “as far as the [2020] election itself goes, we think Russia represents the most significant threat.”


    You CT shills are a real threat to this country.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-...ry?id=67605418
    And the Orange Baby predictably trashes the FBI director he nominated. Unfreakingbelievable you people support this moron.

    "I don't know what report current Director of the FBI Christopher Wray was reading, but it sure wasn't the one given to me. With that kind of attitude, he will never be able to fix the FBI, which is badly broken despite having some of the greatest men & women working there!" Trump wrote.
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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    Sillie, I'm going to be generous and give you a few points so that we can have a meaningful conversation here.

    1) I'll give you that the opening of crossfire hurricane was legally predicated. Even though this is disputed by both Barr and Durham with the information they have, let's pretend that it was OK to open the investigation. **keep in mind this is different than obtaining FISA warrants***

    2) I'll even be INCREDIBLY generous and pretend and the first FISA warrant was OK. They used an unverified dossier and signed off that it was verified... lied about their source, lied about not having derogatory info on their source, withheld exculpatory info, etc. but lets pretend that was just a whoopsie.

    FISA warrants 2-4 were all a conspiracy to commit fraud on the FISA court. They interviewed steele's source and he admitted the info was garbage bar talk. They then went to the court and said that the source was TRUSTWORTHY AND CORROBORATED the findings in the dossier. We had people manufacturing evidence to hide the fact that Page was a CIA informant who was specifically tasked with talking to the Russians they were saying was proof that he was a foreign spy... There are countless other examples where they KNOWINGLY committed fraud on the court to continue to spy. There is absolutely no justification for any of the renewals.

    Because I'm feeling generous, I'll even give you one last bone. Horowitz said they weren't politically motivated in their efforts to spy on trump and commit fraud on the court. I think common sense would argue against that... they did everything in their power to lie to the courts to spy, their texts were pro-Clinton and anti-trump, one of the agents who manipulated documents to hide the fact that Page was a CIA informant also said "viva la resistance." But I'll give you that they weren't politically biased.

    If it wasn't political bias, I want you to come up with their motive for committing fraud on the court to spy on trump and continue the investigation when they had no factual reason to do so.
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    I gave him every possible concession and then some from the report. Not sure how you can argue with that.
    Agreed. CTpage is being very reasonable.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Carter Paige is shady as phuk.
    So shady, that they had to use fake evidence and hide actual evidence of his innocence to justify a spy warrant against him.

    Try again sillie.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    And the Orange Baby predictably trashes the FBI director he nominated. Unfreakingbelievable you people support this moron.

    "I don't know what report current Director of the FBI Christopher Wray was reading, but it sure wasn't the one given to me. With that kind of attitude, he will never be able to fix the FBI, which is badly broken despite having some of the greatest men & women working there!" Trump wrote.
    The FBI has a vested interest in keeping the FISA courts up and running. They rely on this intel for actual investigations. They have every interest in whitewashing the fraud committed on the court by comey et al and recommending policy change to save face.

    What Trump should do is get rid of the FISA court. Watch how fast the FBI and others scramble to hold people accountable then so that they can reopen the court.
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    Originally Posted by chaunce54 View Post
    lol, I guess that's why he was held in contempt of Congress...

    https://www.politico.com/story/2012/...ongress-077988
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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    So shady, that they had to use fake evidence and hide actual evidence of his innocence to justify a spy warrant against him.

    Try again sillie.
    What if Carter Page was part of the conspiracy and was the FBI informant?
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    What if Carter Page was part of the conspiracy and was the FBI informant?
    I wouldn't put it past them, but it would have been totally undocumented.

    Despite 4 FISA warrants on Page, each requiring new information that Carter Page is a foreign spy... he was treated with kid gloves compared to the others targeted (Manafort, papadapolous, Flynn). It sounds like they never even really interviewed him, and they certainly never pursued charges against him.

    It is similar to Mifsud. Mifsud was supposedly the Russian asset that launched the investigation, who lied directly to the FBI... yet he was never charged? When companies that didn't even exist were charged? Why were they protecting Mifsud? Makes no sense.

    No idea on Page, and we will never know. We will never get the full story. But I do think Barr/Durham will hold some people accountable. Not enough, but some.
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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post

    Despite 4 FISA warrants on Page, each requiring new information that Carter Page is a foreign spy... he was treated with kid gloves compared to the others targeted (Manafort, papadapolous, Flynn). It sounds like they never even really interviewed him, and they certainly never pursued charges against him.
    The simple explanation here is because...they knew he didn't do anything lol.
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    The simple explanation here is because...they knew he didn't do anything lol.
    But they also knew Flynn didn't do anything. Their basis for opening an investigation into Flynn was that papdapolous heard a rumor that Russian might have Clinton emails, and Flynn had once been to Russia. They then suckered Flynn into an interview when Flynn and McCabe both knew that McCabe already had the call transcript and there was nothing nefarious discussed. The FBI then manipulated the 302s to make it seem like he lied.

    With papadapolous, they charged him with lying to the FBI for getting the date of his meeting with Mifsud wrong. Knowing full well Mifsud was a western intel agent and that the meeting was not illegal.

    With Manafort, they used fake Ukrainian info and the black ledger to open an investigation into him, reopened a closed DOJ investigation, and throw him in solitary confinement for months.

    Nobody else did anything either, but Page was treated with kid gloves. Makes you scratch your head.
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    I can't wait for horowitz answering questions tomorrow.

    "Mr. Horowitz, you state you couldn't prove there was political bias. In your reports, you show that the investigators hated trump and loved Clinton, discussed resisting trump and even not allowing him to become president, every one of their mistakes favored Clinton and hurt trump, and they made these mistakes knowingly and repeatedly. Is that correct?"

    "yes, I couldn't prove it..."

    Meanwhile, let's use the mueller approach.

    "Mr. Mueller, you found no evidence of obstruction or of a crime to obstruct. Is that correct?"

    "Yes, but I can't say for sure that Trump didn't obstruct justice..."

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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    I can't wait for horowitz answering questions tomorrow.

    "Mr. Horowitz, you state you couldn't prove there was political bias. In your reports, you show that the investigators hated trump and loved Clinton, discussed resisting trump and even not allowing him to become president, every one of their mistakes favored Clinton and hurt trump, and they made these mistakes knowingly and repeatedly. Is that correct?"

    "yes, I couldn't prove it..."

    Meanwhile, let's use the mueller approach.

    "Mr. Mueller, you found no evidence of obstruction or of a crime to obstruct. Is that correct?"

    "Yes, but I can't say for sure that Trump didn't obstruct justice..."

    On the one hand we have a mountain of evidence and an investigator ignoring it. On the other we have no evidence and an investigator claiming that it might exist. Somewhere. Somehow. Don't stop, believing!
    I wonder how many times "I do not recall.." was used when the IG's team was conducting interviews.
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    I wonder how many times "I do not recall.." was used when the IG's team was conducting interviews.
    They alluded to it in the report, basically saying that they didn't get an appropriate or satisfactory explanation when people were confronted with the fact that the IG knew they committed fraud on the court. Also specifically mentioned that a lack of recollection impacted interviews. They also had countless people not show, including the owner of fusion GPS glenn simpson who is already caught in perjury.
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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    They alluded to it in the report, basically saying that they didn't get an appropriate or satisfactory explanation when people were confronted with the fact that the IG knew they committed fraud on the court. Also specifically mentioned that a lack of recollection impacted interviews. They also had countless people not show, including the owner of fusion GPS glenn simpson who is already caught in perjury.
    Saw that too, what a shocker.
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