Calling out Wincel

[wincel]

Anybody who has a natural talent at something deep down knows this. Nobody wants to admit publicly that they didn't really work that hard and that they are just good at something.

When I was a senior in high school the whole physics class I was a part of went a competition at a state university. The people I rode with were studying the whole way up there and freaking out about it and I was texting girls. They all had better grades in the class than I did, I had a D at the time, because I loathed homework and would rather take a 0 then spend time practicing chit I already knew how to do.

Anyway I finished top 10 at the competition better than anybody in my class. My mom still has the leather bound certificate award at her house. I didn't work for that all I just could do it. Hard work is still really important cause one of those kids who took it with me that I made better than now has a PhD in Physics from Vanderbilt

If most people are honest its the same with getting women. I never had to work for that either. All the self improvement stuff I do is for me and me alone. Women find me agreeable to be around for whatever reason. Is it looks, charisma, I don't really know

True but it is also important to remember that high school physics isn't testing the same skills. The skills required for research level physics are very different. I was not the math whiz in my high school courses either. I had an affinity for it and never had to study, but I also never did well in competitions.Those who did generally ended up engineers. I think the skills for physics in high school are similar. Later on, it becomes more about proving things and carefully deducing things. It's a different set of skills. Some are great at both, of course.

[propreffered7]

It's become fashionable these days to pretend everything is environment and nothing is due to genetics, that with hard work and dedication, you, too, can reach the level of professional superstars in whatever field it is you are looking at. The simple and sad truth is this is obviously false. Hard work and dedication can improve you to a level where you are really good, but you will never be as good as a natural talent who also put in hard work.

Sometimes lack of ability in a skill isn't just disinterest. It's that you suck at it and then stop liking it and become disinterested...

im saying you can't prove either. you're just settling on the side that doesn't allow for growth. the nature vs. nurture debate goes on forever and is almost impossible to prove

i mean.. imagine you didn't put ANY effort into anything at all. you were just a stationary object that did nothing. would all that "talent" matter; so on some level you'd prob agree with me that it takes a concerted effort to facilitate something?

it's very hard to isolate the two

you gave your reasons why you thought you he was an inherent prodigy. i gave you reasons that could potentially falsify your claims. if you answered honestly, you'd have to admit that you don't know the kids background. that he could have been exposed to something that helped him facilitate his success.

regardless, you also think this kid is some prodigy in math. i gave you an example of where his "interest" in math and therefore disinterest comparatively in baseball caused a disparity in skill gap simply due to the time dedicated to honing his craft

to be quite honest, i think there's more evidence of it being environment

[TBO1313]

True but it is also important to remember that high school physics isn't testing the same skills. The skills required for research level physics are very different. I was not the math whiz in my high school courses either. I had an affinity for it and never had to study, but I also never did well in competitions.Those who did generally ended up engineers. I think the skills for physics in high school are similar. Later on, it becomes more about proving things and carefully deducing things. It's a different set of skills. Some are great at both, of course.

High school physics is basically figuring out what information you have plugging the variables in and using algebra to make the variables you do have answer the question posed. Also requires a lot of trig. I was always good at those two. I hated calculus and all calculus based physics that I ended up taking. It's much harder to visualize derivatives and integrals and how they correspond on a graph for me compared to trig based stuff. I took all the way through differential equations and hated all of it. The only 3000 level and up engineering classes I enjoyed were Mechanics of Materials and Soil Mechanics

[wincel]

im saying you can't prove either. you're just settling on the side that doesn't allow for growth. the nature vs. nurture debate goes on forever and is almost impossible to prove

i mean.. imagine you didn't put ANY effort into anything at all. you were just a stationary object that did nothing. would all that "talent" matter; so on some level you'd prob agree with me that it takes a concerted effort to facilitate something?

it's very hard to isolate the two

you gave your reasons why you thought you he was an inherent prodigy. i gave you reasons that could potentially falsify your claims. if you answered honestly, you'd have to admit that you don't know the kids background. that he could have been exposed to something that helped him facilitate his success.

regardless, you also think this kid is some prodigy in math. i gave you an example of where his "interest" in math and therefore disinterest comparatively in baseball caused a disparity in skill gap simply due to the time dedicated to honing his craft

to be quite honest, i think there's more evidence of it being environment

I've seen kids who had excellent parents and studied really hard 2-3 hrs a day just to get by...There is a curve, man. It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that just as there are manlets and manmores, there are people who are bad at things and good at things. You underestimate genetic effects here. I once met a woman who was otherwise seemingly intelligent, but who had some sort of brain abnormality where she could not perform elementary arithmetic. She couldn't "do" arithmetic. She memorized her way through everything. She would symbolically manipulate and regurgitate without having any quantitative understanding of the numbers. It was really weird, and I suspect she had dyscalculia.

[wincel]

High school physics is basically figuring out what information you have plugging the variables in and using algebra to make the variables you do have answer the question posed. Also requires a lot of trig. I was always good at those two. I hated calculus and all calculus based physics that I ended up taking. It's much harder to visualize derivatives and integrals and how they correspond on a graph for me compared to trig based stuff. I took all the way through differential equations and hated all of it. The only 3000 level and up engineering classes I enjoyed were Mechanics of Materials and Soil Mechanics

It's because hs physics has more in common with engineering than physics lol.

[TBO1313]

It's because hs physics has more in common with engineering than physics lol.

I wouldn't know as the highest physics class I had to take was 2000 level. I have no idea what those PhD level dudes are actually doing

[johnnydeep1]

A tribute to incels, incel cope, blackpill, loners, and FAs

[BearyManilowe]

I wouldn't know as the highest physics class I had to take was 2000 level. I have no idea what those PhD level dudes are actually doing

Protip: neither do they.

[wincel]

A tribute to incel, incel cope, blackpill, loners, and FAs

omg i fuking forgot about this song lol...NHL Hitz

[manletstrength]

A tribute to incel, incel cope, blackpill, loners, and FAs

Use to own the CD when I was 10yrs old. Strong nostalgia.

[puffdaddy68]

Wincel can't connect with other people because he is too smart and redpilled. He is too wise for his age. Unless he can somehow lower his inhibitions he can never change.

you rival Wincel for creepiest/most autistic miscer. srs you have my vote to be the next incel mass shooter.

[BustaCapp]

I like Wincel on the sly, but would not hesitate to hang him.

[wincel]

I like Wincel on the sly, but would not hesitate to hang him.

[ItsJamesthefin]

You say its difficult to make and keep friends especially as you get older. I agree with this, but I'm guessing instead of actually putting effort into it you are instead just complaining about it. What kind of effort do you actually make to accomplish this? Do you join meet up groups, take lessons, volunteer?

[jamalfudge]

Wince, what do you think about your physics idols being made obsolete by Voyager 2 getting stuck in the aether?

[BetaAsPhuck]

It's become fashionable these days to pretend everything is environment and nothing is due to genetics, that with hard work and dedication, you, too, can reach the level of professional superstars in whatever field it is you are looking at. The simple and sad truth is this is obviously false. Hard work and dedication can improve you to a level where you are really good, but you will never be as good as a natural talent who also put in hard work.

I think one of the reasons (I'm not saying it's the only reason) that people have an aversion to considering that is that there has been a movement for some time stating that the 'genetically inferior' are worthless.

That's what a lot of the Race and IQ, and pro-eugenics brigade say. Basically if you have a low IQ, learning disability, down syndrome, etc, you have less value as a person - and should be excluded or purged from society.

One of my favourite books; Flowers For Algernon By Daniel Keyes explores that notion (as well as other themes). The lead character has an operation to raise his IQ from 64 to genius level. And he becomes disgusted and saddened to realize that some people didn't consider him a person with any value or dignity, when he had a low IQ.

[Nicklol]

pls post pic

even I post my face all over the internet

[zknarc]

Some people have life on hard mode or at least in some areas. Part of growing up is to stop crying the game is not fair and taking on the challenges anyway.

[propreffered7]

I think one of the reasons (I'm not saying it's the only reason) that people have an aversion to considering that is that there has been a movement for some time stating that the 'genetically inferior' are worthless.

That's what a lot of the Race and IQ, and pro-eugenics brigade say. Basically if you have a low IQ, learning disability, down syndrome, etc, you have less value as a person - and should be excluded or purged from society.

One of my favourite books; Flowers For Algernon By Daniel Keyes explores that notion (as well as other themes). The lead character has an operation to raise his IQ from 64 to genius level. And he becomes disgusted and saddened to realize that some people didn't consider him a person with any value or dignity, when he had a low IQ.

Within the same vein, it seems quite apt that a lot of people would love to believe they were born with inherent gifts; that they are "superior" due to their "genetics" and that makes them "special"

[Natty99]

imagine if zyzz was still alive guys. What has misc come to.

see sig

[backinthegymbro]

Wincel what prevents you from getting a stem degree and make bank instead of doing what you're doing now?

[Johnez]

The only thing worse than wincel is another 30k+ posts loser psychoanalyzing him.

This or a bunch of wannabe-chads.