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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    I'll keep wating for your "definition" of evidence that you would finally consider Trump violated his Oath. Which is what this whole discussion was about. You remember right?

    What "actual evidence"?

    NAME IT.
    The burden of proof is on the accuser. I’ll judge any evidence on its own merit. I’ll dumb this down for you-anyone can accuse anyone of anything. As such, our justice system requires the accuser to substantiate their claim with evidence.

    An example of evidence I would accept would be this: An authenticated transcript from Trump to Ukraine explaining that aid was withheld because Ukraine refused to investigate Burisma BECAUSE Joe Biden is running against him. You’re short half a dozen evidentiary steps. And the aid was released.
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    Originally Posted by FatBallz View Post
    Trump personally asked Ukraine to look into shady dealings by the former VP. Apparently Democrats think that its wrong unless it's done by proxy (Fusion GPS, Steele, the intel community, etc..). Give me a break.

    This issue is like beating a dead horse. Trump supporters can't understand how you anti-Trumpers can't see the wrong in how the Democrats were using foreign nations and intel assets to dig up dirt on him in 2016, yet you seem outraged now, and vice versa.

    It is becoming a parody at this point. Just get this stupid impeachment over with, Trump will be re-elected next year, and we will wait to see what Democrats will try to impeach him for again (if for some reason they keep the House). My money is on claims that he somehow rigged the election. They are probably already setting up a Putin narrative just in case.
    This is the nonsense I'm talking about. Trump asked Zelensky TO PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE A FORMAL INVESTIGATION INTO THE BIDENS.

    INTO THE BIDENS.

    THE BIDENS.

    BIDENS.

    BIDEN.






    That violates the Oath Trump took when he was sworn in. He has violated his Oath of Office.
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    Originally Posted by BadMonkeyFunker View Post
    extortion, bribery, obstruction of congress. Keep up cucked pahggot..

    LMFAO!
    when did he do those things?
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    Originally Posted by adamsteve14 View Post
    The burden of proof is on the accuser. I’ll judge any evidence on its own merit. I’ll dumb this down for you-anyone can accuse anyone of anything. As such, our justice system requires the accuser to substantiate their claim with evidence.

    An example of evidence I would accept would be this: An authenticated transcript from Trump to Ukraine explaining that aid was withheld because Ukraine refused to investigate Burisma BECAUSE Joe Biden is running against him. You’re short half a dozen evidentiary steps. And the aid was released.
    So the only thing you'd accept as "proof" is an "authenticated" transcript from Trump to Zelensky that aid was withheld BECAUSE Biden was running against him. Only BECAUSE.


    This is progress.


    So if evidence is brought that the SOLE reason for withholding aid was "because Biden was running against him" then you'd admit Trump should be impeached?

    Did I get anything wrong?
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    This is the lamest impeachment ever.

    At this point no need to argue with leftards, just point, laugh and watch them reeeeeeeeeeeee!
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    This isn't how the whole impeachment thing works.. this is not a judicial court. Jesus..fuking.. Christ.
    Sad. You have no respect for law
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    So the only thing you'd accept as "proof" is an "authenticated" transcript from Trump to Zelensky that aid was withheld BECAUSE Biden was running against him. Only BECAUSE.


    This is progress.


    So if evidence is brought that the SOLE reason for withholding aid was "because Biden was running against him" then you'd admit Trump should be impeached?

    Did I get anything wrong?
    Yes, you did. The aid would have to be denied as a result. Evidence means nothing absent a crime.
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    Originally Posted by Darkhare View Post
    Sad. You have no respect for law
    Apparently you have no respect for the Constitution.

    Sad because I heard there are laws against the 2nd Amendment.
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post

    That violates the Oath Trump took when he was sworn in. He has violated his Oath of Office.
    I guess you're right. He should have had a group like Fusion GPS or a British agent do it. Then the Democrats would have been ok with it.
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    Originally Posted by adamsteve14 View Post
    Yes, you did. The aid would have to be denied as a result. Evidence means nothing absent a crime.
    Absent a crime.. again, learn about the topic we're discussing before making comments.

    I mean that as no disrespect because not everyone knows you can be impeached for violating their Oath to Defend the Constitution, and not because a crime was committed. (Which btw, Trump has committed MANY crimes, but has enjoyed his protection from them because he's president).
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    This is Pickett's Charge and Pelosi knows it which is why shes snapping.
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    Originally Posted by dabbmw2002 View Post
    This is the lamest impeachment ever.

    At this point no need to argue with leftards, just point, laugh and watch them reeeeeeeeeeeee!
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Absent a crime.. again, learn about the topic we're discussing before making comments.

    I mean that as no disrespect because not everyone knows you can be impeached for violating their Oath to Defend the Constitution, and not because a crime was committed. (Which btw, Trump has committed MANY crimes, but has enjoyed his protection from them because he's president).
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    Originally Posted by Mountaineer92 View Post
    This is Pickett's Charge and Pelosi knows it which is why shes snapping.
    Respect the reference but just lol.
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    PROVE.IT

    I’m going to bed. You’re making everyone else dumber with your room temperature IQ.
    Never claimed to make people smarter..

    Night. Night.
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    Originally Posted by FatBallz View Post
    I guess you're right. He should have had a group like Fusion GPS or a British agent do it. Then the Democrats would have been ok with it.
    Are you slow or something?
    Can you not see a difference between a candidate paying a company for Intel on an opponent and the president of the US trying to use public policy to pressure a foreign leader to help him win reelection?
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    the left has cried wolf way too many times over the past 4 years, no one is paying attention to them now
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    Originally Posted by adamsteve14 View Post
    The burden of proof is on the accuser. I’ll judge any evidence on its own merit. I’ll dumb this down for you-anyone can accuse anyone of anything. As such, our justice system requires the accuser to substantiate their claim with evidence.

    An example of evidence I would accept would be this: An authenticated transcript from Trump to Ukraine explaining that aid was withheld because Ukraine refused to investigate Burisma BECAUSE Joe Biden is running against him. You’re short half a dozen evidentiary steps. And the aid was released.
    Is this the standard now?
    Interesting, I see a lot of trumpers claim Hilary had Seth Rich murdered but have yet to see a notarized copy of the contract to the hitman.
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    Originally Posted by HurfDurf View Post
    Are you slow or something?
    Can you not see a difference between a candidate paying a company for Intel on an opponent and the president of the US trying to use public policy to pressure a foreign leader to help him win reelection?
    Private citizens can hire anyone they want. The President, who has sworn an Oath of Office, cannot.

    People point to Biden as VP leveraging Ukraine to fire the prosecutor, but they don't understand or intentionally ignore the fact that Biden was sent there to further US and Foreign policy.

    NO ONE IN THE OBAMA ADMIN BENEFITED FROM THAT ACTION. THERE WERE NO CURRENT INVESTIGATIONS INTO BURISMA LET ALONE HUNTER WHEN THAT HAPPENED.

    Look it up yourself. Use credible sources.

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    Originally Posted by iifymbro View Post
    the left has cried wolf way too many times over the past 4 years, no one is paying attention to them now
    You mean when Rosenstein, a Republican hand picked by Trump, appointed Mueller, another Republican?

    Or do you mean when Trump fired Sessions because he recused himself, and appointed Barr, who applied for the job by writing a job application stating he would never indict a sitting president?..
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    Originally Posted by HurfDurf View Post
    Are you slow or something?
    Can you not see a difference between a candidate paying a company for Intel on an opponent and the president of the US trying to use public policy to pressure a foreign leader to help him win reelection?
    Trump never said he expected Ukraine to do something in order to get the aid. Ukraine said they had no idea the aid was even held up.

    I thought the outrage was about Trump asking a foreign nation to get involved in the election. It's hard to keep track because it seems to change on a daily basis. I hear the Democrats are bringing up Mueller/Russia/Obstruction again. I guess they will try anything to sell impeachment. After all, they've been trying for 3 years.

    It's nothing but noise at this point.
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    Originally Posted by adamsteve14 View Post
    The burden of proof is on the accuser. I’ll judge any evidence on its own merit. I’ll dumb this down for you-anyone can accuse anyone of anything. As such, our justice system requires the accuser to substantiate their claim with evidence.

    An example of evidence I would accept would be this: An authenticated transcript from Trump to Ukraine explaining that aid was withheld because Ukraine refused to investigate Burisma BECAUSE Joe Biden is running against him. You’re short half a dozen evidentiary steps. And the aid was released.
    exactly! just a coincidence the aid is released after the whistle blower report

    also the libtards wont acknowledge all the non political rivals he asked to be investigated by foreign governments. ( dont worry the white house has been compiling a list and will release it any day now)
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    Trolling the trolls. Time to brag. Reeee
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    You mean when Rosenstein, a Republican hand picked by Trump, appointed Mueller, another Republican?

    Or do you mean when Trump fired Sessions because he recused himself, and appointed Barr, who applied for the job by writing a job application stating he would never indict a sitting president?..
    lmfao you're so blindly partisan you think having a R next to their name means they're 100% in lock step and cover for one another like the dems do. Sad!

    You must've forgotten the big 'nevertrumper' push during the election where a bunch of establishment swamp republicans actively tried to rekt trump....
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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    You mean when Rosenstein, a Republican hand picked by Trump, appointed Mueller, another Republican?
    Speaking of Mueller

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    keep it moving so the impeachment gift can make it to trump's desk in time for christmas


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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    This is the nonsense I'm talking about. Trump asked Zelensky TO PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE A FORMAL INVESTIGATION INTO THE BIDENS.

    INTO THE BIDENS.

    THE BIDENS.

    BIDENS.

    BIDEN.






    That violates the Oath Trump took when he was sworn in. He has violated his Oath of Office.

    goodbye pat.
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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    keep it moving so the impeachment gift can make it to trump's desk in time for christmas


    "happy holidays" mr trump
    uhhh...that is EXACTLY what Trump wants.
    He has said so himself.

    how nice of you to wish your president a happy holidays.

    see, not all libs are bad.
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