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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    Libs have had another tough week and looking for any type of perceived win, especially after the jobs report
    You realize that fewer jobs have been created under Trump than were under Obama's last 4 years don't you?

    So yay?
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    You realize that fewer jobs have been created under Trump than were under Obama's last 4 years don't you?

    So yay?
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    You realize that fewer jobs have been created under Trump than were under Obama's last 4 years don't you?

    So yay?
    I have noticed that you continually twist this narrative bro.

    Whether it be employment numbers, wages, GDP, general economy etc.

    When Obama took over, our economy was the worst it had been since the Great Depression. Not so much how the average person lived, but in the sense that our entire economy was on the verge of disintegration. Things were as bad as they had been in a long long time.

    So of course there was much more room for improvement at the time. I daytrade stocks for a living. As such I look at charts of endless amounts of stocks. And it is much much easier for a stock with an RSI of lets say 22 to rise 200% to 300% than a stock with an RSI of 80. RSI is a relative strength index-it measures the speed and change of price movements. The RSI oscillates between zero and 100. Traditionally the RSI is considered overbought when above 70 and oversold when below 30. RSI can also be used to identify the general trend.. When it is low, that means the stock is oversold and should bounce up. When it is high, like 80, that means it is overbought and probably ready to sell off.

    The economy when Obama took over, if comparing our economy to a stock, had a RSI of -100000000000000. I mean it was as low as low can be. So yes, it bounced. Bounced a lot. Because it had room to bounce a lot and it really had no choice but to get better unless the US ceased to exist.

    Whereas when Trump took over, the economy was moving along pretty well. It was not in either an oversold or overbought condition. So for Trump to come in and not only keep things going strong, but to actually improve the economy to the extent that it has? That is much much harder to do then to bounce up from an extremely low/downtrodden position.

    See the difference?

    Obama improving employment from 14%, a very oversold condition, to 7%, an average condition, is much easier to do then Trump improving unemployment from that 7% mark to 4%-which is approaching an overbought condition. If Trump can keep these numbers low for the next 5 years? That will really be an amazing accomplishment.
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    Originally Posted by OptimistPrime11 View Post
    I have noticed that you continually twist this narrative bro.

    Whether it be employment numbers, wages, GDP, general economy etc.

    When Obama took over, our economy was the worst it had been since the Great Depression. Not so much how the average person lived, but in the sense that our entire economy was on the verge of disintegration. Things were as bad as they had been in a long long time.

    So of course there was much more room for improvement at the time. I daytrade stocks for a living. As such I look at charts of endless amounts of stocks. And it is much much easier for a stock with an RSI of lets say 22 to rise 200% to 300% than a stock with an RSI of 80. RSI is a relative strength index-it measures the speed and change of price movements. The RSI oscillates between zero and 100. Traditionally the RSI is considered overbought when above 70 and oversold when below 30. RSI can also be used to identify the general trend.. When it is low, that means the stock is oversold and should bounce up. When it is high, like 80, that means it is overbought and probably ready to sell off.

    The economy when Obama took over, if comparing our economy to a stock, had a RSI of -100000000000000. I mean it was as low as low can be. So yes, it bounced. Bounced a lot. Because it had room to bounce a lot and it really had no choice but to get better unless the US ceased to exist.

    Whereas when Trump took over, the economy was moving along pretty well. It was not in either an oversold or overbought condition. So for Trump to come in and not only keep things going strong, but to actually improve the economy to the extent that it has? That is much much harder to do then to bounce up from an extremely low/downtrodden position.

    See the difference?

    Obama improving employment from 14%, a very oversold condition, to 7%, an average condition, is much easier to do then Trump improving unemployment from that 7% mark to 4%-which is approaching an overbought condition. If Trump can keep these numbers low for the next 5 years? That will really be an amazing accomplishment.
    In other words, Obama took over a chit economy from GOP president and turned it around

    Meanwhile, Trump took over a great economy as has kept it status quo

    Thanks for clearing that up
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    Originally Posted by FoxMcCocks View Post
    In other words, Obama took over a chit economy from GOP president and turned it around

    Meanwhile, Trump took over a great economy as has kept it status quo

    Thanks for clearing that up
    Amazing how you twist things.

    Obama took over after the FED and congress make it super super easy for even the least qualified applicants to buy a house. These risky house loans were bundled together with good housing loans and bought and sold as derivatives by investment firms like Goldman Sachs. When these risky house loans failed as people defaulted, they brought the investment firms down with them and our entire economic structure collapsed.

    That has NOTHING to do with Bush. It was all the Fed and Congress and had been going on since 1998 or so. It just reached its peak and then collapse in 2008.

    So once the economy was bailed out, of course things got better. The US is too strong and too indoctrinated into the worlds economy for it to fail. So Obama did do a decent job in setting things back on a more stable course. But the numbers are somewhat skewed because when he did take over, the economy was so low that it had tons of room to go up.

    Meanwhile Trump had not only kept the economy going, but improved it quite a bit. That is a much harder thing to do when comparing numbers between the Obama and Trump administrations.

    And remember people like you all said the economy was going to collapse if and when Trump won.

    Well, he won.

    And you were dead wrong.

    Obama did a good job. Trump imo has done a better job, especially considering the vitriol and opposition he has faced from the left in congress and the MSM whereas Obama was treated as the second coming.
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    Originally Posted by FoxMcCocks View Post
    In other words, Obama took over a chit economy from GOP president and turned it around

    Meanwhile, Trump took over a great economy as has kept it status quo

    Thanks for clearing that up
    In other words, Hussein had nowhere to go but up after the inevitable recession, while President Trump is doing all the hard work of breaking the ice and setting the record best economy this country has ever seen.

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    Originally Posted by OptimistPrime11 View Post
    Amazing how you twist things.

    Obama took over after the FED and congress make it super super easy for even the least qualified applicants to buy a house. These risky house loans were bundled together with good housing loans and bought and sold as derivatives by investment firms like Goldman Sachs. When these risky house loans failed as people defaulted, they brought the investment firms down with them and our entire economic structure collapsed.

    That has NOTHING to do with Bush. It was all the Fed and Congress and had been going on since 1998 or so. It just reached its peak and then collapse in 2008.

    So once the economy was bailed out, of course things got better. The US is too strong and too indoctrinated into the worlds economy for it to fail. So Obama did do a decent job in setting things back on a more stable course. But the numbers are somewhat skewed because when he did take over, the economy was so low that it had tons of room to go up.

    Meanwhile Trump had not only kept the economy going, but improved it quite a bit. That is a much harder thing to do when comparing numbers between the Obama and Trump administrations.

    And remember people like you all said the economy was going to collapse if and when Trump won.

    Well, he won.

    And you were dead wrong.

    Obama did a good job. Trump imo has done a better job, especially considering the vitriol and opposition he has faced from the left in congress and the MSM whereas Obama was treated as the second coming.
    Ok you’re a chart guy. What does the 5 year unemployment chart look like? I’ll tell you, it trends down with a consistent slope. Trump has done nothing but keep the existing trend going. Thanks?

    And in what ways is the economy better? GDP is about the same, wages are up a tiny bit (mostly due to higher minimum wage among some states and companies), the deficit is way higher, the trade balance is much worse, stocks have performed ok, we’re in the first manufacturing recession in a decade, and the Fed cut rates for the first time in a decade. Not too mention the tax cuts for the rich haven’t done chit except make the rich richer and increase the debt massively.

    What exactly is soo great right now that is so much better than Obama’s last term? Cause ya boy said Obama’s economy straight sucked .
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    The US may be all that, but Trump is not the USA. If a camera had caught world leaders laughing at Obama, you hypocrites would have been all over it. But if it’s Trump, gotta be TDS. You small minds can’t even remember your own recent history.
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    Originally Posted by OptimistPrime11 View Post
    I have noticed that you continually twist this narrative bro.

    Whether it be employment numbers, wages, GDP, general economy etc.

    When Obama took over, our economy was the worst it had been since the Great Depression. Not so much how the average person lived, but in the sense that our entire economy was on the verge of disintegration. Things were as bad as they had been in a long long time.

    So of course there was much more room for improvement at the time. I daytrade stocks for a living. As such I look at charts of endless amounts of stocks. And it is much much easier for a stock with an RSI of lets say 22 to rise 200% to 300% than a stock with an RSI of 80. RSI is a relative strength index-it measures the speed and change of price movements. The RSI oscillates between zero and 100. Traditionally the RSI is considered overbought when above 70 and oversold when below 30. RSI can also be used to identify the general trend.. When it is low, that means the stock is oversold and should bounce up. When it is high, like 80, that means it is overbought and probably ready to sell off.

    The economy when Obama took over, if comparing our economy to a stock, had a RSI of -100000000000000. I mean it was as low as low can be. So yes, it bounced. Bounced a lot. Because it had room to bounce a lot and it really had no choice but to get better unless the US ceased to exist.

    Whereas when Trump took over, the economy was moving along pretty well. It was not in either an oversold or overbought condition. So for Trump to come in and not only keep things going strong, but to actually improve the economy to the extent that it has? That is much much harder to do then to bounce up from an extremely low/downtrodden position.

    See the difference?

    Obama improving employment from 14%, a very oversold condition, to 7%, an average condition, is much easier to do then Trump improving unemployment from that 7% mark to 4%-which is approaching an overbought condition. If Trump can keep these numbers low for the next 5 years? That will really be an amazing accomplishment.
    I think Sillie understands what you said but you could have saved time by explaining it like a car gaining speed. It is much much easier to go from 0-140 than it is going from 140-160.

    Good explanation, though.
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    Originally Posted by BullittEV View Post
    I think Sillie understands what you said but you could have saved time by explaining it like a car gaining speed. It is much much easier to go from 0-140 than it is going from 140-160.

    Good explanation, though.
    Wait, didn't Trump and his cult keep repeating the mantra that the economy sucked under Obama? Now it was going 140 and Trump pumped it to 160?

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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    They are already becoming more friendly to Russia. We drove them away. France is cozying up to Russia big time now.
    Of course, because like I said, the U.S. is the only NATO country that doesn't fear Putin and has BALLS. America messed up thinking that the Europeans can lead themselves in NATO. It just doesn't work like that. Life doesn't work like that. Every group, wether you are doing a job at work or doing a college presentation, requires ONE STRONG person to LEAD THE PACK. That is how God intended it. NATO without U.S. is like the 90's Bulls without Jordan.

    I mean please give me a an honest assessment of European "leaders":
    Macron: Emotional midget who just handed Putin a propaganda victory with his stupid ass statement "NATO is brain-dead". Can't decide wtf he is even doing.
    Johnson: Can't control his own fukin Brexit strategy, not to mention lead NATO against someone like Putin. Can't even decide if he wants to **** or pee when it comes to decision making.
    Justin: Too busy dancing to Punjabi music while decreasing his nation's NATO contribution says everything about this dufus. Isn't in Europe so doesn't really care too much anyways.
    Merkel: Holy smokes does this librarian even matter? Wtf is her stance anyways? She is like the geek who tags along with the cool kids and has no opinion of her own.
    Erdogan: Actually had some balls and shot down Russia's plane when they crossed him... but then genius Macron/Merkel supported communists at his border and now he is buddies with Putin himself. Trump trying to bring him back.

    Who else is there?


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    Originally Posted by BalkanPrince View Post
    Of course, because like I said, the U.S. is the only NATO country that doesn't fear Putin and has BALLS. America messed up thinking that the Europeans can lead themselves in NATO. It just doesn't work like that. Life doesn't work like that. Every group, wether you are doing a job at work or doing a college presentation, requires ONE STRONG person to LEAD THE PACK. That is how God intended it. NATO without U.S. is like the 90's Bulls without Jordan.

    I mean please give me a an honest assessment of European "leaders":
    Macron: Emotional midget who just handed Putin a propaganda victory with his stupid ass statement "NATO is brain-dead". Can't decide wtf he is even doing.
    Johnson: Can't control his own fukin Brexit strategy, not to mention lead NATO against someone like Putin. Can't even decide if he wants to **** or pee when it comes to decision making.
    Justin: Too busy dancing to Punjabi music while decreasing his nation's NATO contribution says everything about this dufus. Isn't in Europe so doesn't really care too much anyways.
    Merkel: Holy smokes does this librarian even matter? Wtf is her stance anyways? She is like the geek who tags along with the cool kids and has no opinion of her own.
    Erdogan: Actually had some balls and shot down Russia's plane when they crossed him... but then genius Macron/Merkel supported communists at his border and now he is buddies with Putin himself. Trump trying to bring him back.

    Who else is there?


    America should just return and take the wheel because this **** isn't working anymore.
    US does fear Putin. It is obvious we chose to avoid a direct confrontation with Russia in Syria. The reason is that Russia now has superior weapons. NATO is basically dead. It's every man for himself now. most of the world realizes they cannot trust the US to keep its word.

    Our actions in dealing with Libya and Iran have sealed the future. It will take an extraordinary diplomat to restore trust in the USA...someone like Tulsi. And it doesn't look like that is gonna happen. So, I expect many more to be siding with Russia and China now.

    We had a great opportunity to be magnanimous after 9/11. We would have earned our place as the greatest hope for peace and the greatest country in the history of mankind. But we blew it. We reacted impulsively, violently. And we threw away the dream of peace and our status as a global leader.
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