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    what is glycemic ondex of whey protien powder?

    I have been looking for this info on the internet, but could'nt find any info... does anybody know what is the GI of whey protein powder? as far asd I know it is high... much higher than other protein powders. probably the highest.
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    Originally Posted by mazonas View Post
    I have been looking for this info on the internet, but could'nt find any info... does anybody know what is the GI of whey protein powder? as far asd I know it is high... much higher than other protein powders. probably the highest.
    Why do you want to know this, are you T2D ?
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    GI effect very low, insulin effect pretty high. Exact values depend on the brand, whether or not they put in any carbs, etc.
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    Originally Posted by rtpmarine View Post
    GI effect very low, insulin effect pretty high. Exact values depend on the brand, whether or not they put in any carbs, etc.
    so having a shake (water, milk, 20g of whey) would spark insulin significantly?
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    Originally Posted by mazonas View Post
    so having a shake (water, milk, 20g of whey) would spark insulin significantly?
    define 'significantly'

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    Originally Posted by mazonas View Post
    so having a shake (water, milk, 20g of whey) would spark insulin significantly?
    Whey and milk are very insulinogenic, but there's no reason to be worried about that.

    I suggest you start reading this series about insulin, you'll know you don't need to worry about it: https://weightology.net/insulin-an-u...ad-reputation/
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    I am not type 2 diabetes.

    I care, because as I said I want to keep my insulin levels low... lower than normal. I do believe that insulin spikes hinder hgh release... as there is a lot of claims and info regarding this.
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    Originally Posted by mazonas View Post
    I am not type 2 diabetes.

    I care, because as I said I want to keep my insulin levels low... lower than normal. I do believe that insulin spikes hinder hgh release... as there is a lot of claims and info regarding this.
    Well it's true that insulin spikes can hinder HGH release. But that makes no significant difference for hypertrophy.

    If you don't want to spike insulin you can never eat protein or carbs. Good luck building muscle.
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    Originally Posted by mazonas View Post
    I am not type 2 diabetes.

    I care, because as I said I want to keep my insulin levels low... lower than normal. I do believe that insulin spikes hinder hgh release... as there is a lot of claims and info regarding this.
    Transient fluctuations in GH release are relatively meaningless. You're worried about a non-issue.
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    Originally Posted by mazonas View Post
    I am not type 2 diabetes.

    I care, because as I said I want to keep my insulin levels low... lower than normal. I do believe that insulin spikes hinder hgh release... as there is a lot of claims and info regarding this.
    You want to have abnormally low insulin? So, you want to have a disease?
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    Well it's true that insulin spikes can hinder HGH release. But that makes no significant difference for hypertrophy.
    Is the reason for this that the insulin spikes either increase or up-regulate IGF-1, making it a wash? Or is it more that the carbs/proteins themselves outweigh the GH hit?

    I'm trying to wrap my head around the GH idea and none of it makes sense.
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    Originally Posted by rtpmarine View Post
    Is the reason for this that the insulin spikes either increase or up-regulate IGF-1, making it a wash? Or is it more that the carbs/proteins themselves outweigh the GH hit?

    I'm trying to wrap my head around the GH idea and none of it makes sense.
    More likely because transient changes in GH especially within physiological ranges have no significant impact on muscle growth.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    More likely because transient changes in GH especially within physiological ranges have no significant impact on muscle growth.
    I can see that, but in this case I think it wouldn't be "transient" per se, but more like a permanent physiological shift. Similar to that caused by insulin deficiency in T1D. I mean, most T1D's I know are incredibly small-framed, so it makes sense I guess.
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    Originally Posted by rtpmarine View Post
    I can see that, but in this case I think it wouldn't be "transient" per se, but more like a permanent physiological shift. Similar to that caused by insulin deficiency in T1D. I mean, most T1D's I know are incredibly small-framed, so it makes sense I guess.
    He’s not a t1D

    And why wouldn’t it be transient? Insulin doesn’t just stay elevated from the same meal forever... nor does GH changes from a food
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    He’s not a t1D

    And why wouldn’t it be transient? Insulin doesn’t just stay elevated from the same meal forever
    I did not say that he is T1D. I said that his intentional diet-inhibited insulin would be comparable to the effect of genetically-inhibited insulin in T1D. And yeah, if he somehow managed to keep insulin low all day long (which is probably impossible anyway), then the effect to other hormones would no longer be transient, right? They would become his new physiology.

    I'm not arguing for any position here, just curious about the Insulin-GH-IGF1 love triangle. Theoretically if someone kept down their otherwise-normal insulin, IGF1 would take a huge hit and that would be far worse than anything that happens to GH?
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    Originally Posted by rtpmarine View Post
    I did not say that he is T1D. I said that his intentional diet-inhibited insulin would be comparable to the effect of genetically-inhibited insulin in T1D. And yeah, if he somehow managed to keep insulin low all day long (which is probably impossible anyway), then the effect to other hormones would no longer be transient, right? They would become his new physiology.

    I'm not arguing for any position here, just curious about the Insulin-GH-IGF1 love triangle. Theoretically if someone kept down their otherwise-normal insulin, IGF1 would take a huge hit and that would be far worse than anything that happens to GH?
    Bro, you’re doing the same thing you did on the whole metabolic flexibility thing where you try to extrapolate applications specific to a subgroup of the population to otherwise healthy adults, as though these alterations to diet habits somehow ‘trick’ your body and organs into shifting their functions so severely that you see meaningful, measurable change.

    I wish the body was that malleable, but it isn’t...
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Bro, you’re doing the same thing you did on the whole metabolic flexibility thing where you try to extrapolate applications specific to a subgroup of the population to otherwise healthy adults, as though these alterations to diet habits somehow ‘trick’ your body and organs into shifting their functions so severely that you see meaningful, measurable change.

    I wish the body was that malleable, but it isn’t...
    LMAO I think a lot of you are definitely a bit on edge when it comes to my posts. For that I apologize. Just in case i haven't been clear enough: my curiosity about the effect to IGF-1 comes from my agreement with you all that this would indeed be a terrible idea. I am in no way interested in seeing OP or anyone else actually do this. I'm just trying to play out the theoretical mental exercise because it's interesting to understand the mechanisms. If you really have a problem with that, then fine--no need to respond to me. It's nothing a little google-fu won't answer.
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    Originally Posted by rtpmarine View Post
    LMAO I think a lot of you are definitely a bit on edge when it comes to my posts. For that I apologize. Just in case i haven't been clear enough: my curiosity about the effect to IGF-1 comes from my agreement with you all that this would indeed be a terrible idea. I am in no way interested in seeing OP or anyone else actually do this. I'm just trying to play out the theoretical mental exercise because it's interesting to understand the mechanisms. If you really have a problem with that, then fine--no need to respond to me. It's nothing a little google-fu won't answer.
    Given the ratio of people who appreciate your style of “mental exercise” to those who find it highly convoluted is about 1:100, I think you’ll understand my feeling pretty justified in being skeptical concerning your lines of reasoning. You launch into lofty hypotheticals pretty much immediately which seem to unfold into multi-page digressions from the original topics.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    You launch into lofty hypotheticals pretty much immediately which seem to unfold into multi-page digressions from the original topics.
    Did you miss post #3?
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    Did you miss post #3?
    Nope. I see it just fine.
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    Originally Posted by rtpmarine View Post
    I can see that, but in this case I think it wouldn't be "transient" per se, but more like a permanent physiological shift. Similar to that caused by insulin deficiency in T1D. I mean, most T1D's I know are incredibly small-framed, so it makes sense I guess.
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    Huh? Nothing you just said makes any sense at all. You quite literally have no idea what you’re talking about.
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