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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Why does every thread turn into a pity wincel thread? I was making a simple point that not all incels are violent murderers/batterers of women. I made that clear by providing a counterexample, me. That should end the debate, right? Maybe use "militant incel" or something. #notallincels It's ok to be incel.
    It’s not pity, actually maybe it is

    You’re intelligent but have grown increasingly abnormal in the time I’ve been here

    Human are social beings. Society is a thing. Fitting into society is a thing. Self-actualisation is a thing.
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    Originally Posted by pogue View Post
    I applaud you for showing sources. I did read through them and yes, you are right, the plague and the ability to drink milk are due to genetic evolution.

    HOWEVER, what does that have to do with breeding based on attractiveness? Did the person who didn't die of the plague pick the most attractive person to breed with or did they do so out of necessity based on whoever was left over and not dead?

    Did the person who had the ability to drink milk breed with the most attractive other person who could drink milk? These are answers the studies don't provide.



    Alright, I'm willing to accept that natural selection occurred in people who developed immunity to the plague as well as people who gained the ability to drink milk. But, that still doesn't make your point any more valid.

    What does natural selection in terms of plague survivors and milk drinkers have to do with anyone in those groups who chose to remain celibate vs those who continued to breed? Were these ancient "Chads" and "Stacys" existing at this point in history and decided to breed due to attractiveness?



    You're essentially contradicting your own point here.


    Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/allele_frequency.htm

    If people were not genetically diverse there would be no ability to drink milk or survive the plague. That essentially means that many people of different backgrounds bred together to increase the gene pool. So... attractiveness of the person has absolutely no bearing on these factors. To the contrary, it shows that people copulated regardless.

    I also await your responses to my posts above that you made and I debunked.
    Attractiveness doesn't necessarily mean what we commonly think of as physical attractiveness. People breed based on many factors. Actually, regarding Chads of history, about 7000 years ago, 1 man reproduced for every 17 women or so. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04375-6
    Male sexual competition and dominance hierarchy has existed for a very, very long time.

    Allele frequencies measure the percentage of the population that has a particular allele. People did not copulate regardless...those who did not have adaptive traits died off without reproducing. Males and females often competed for mates. There were many ancient threats to the species, such as predators, hunger from lack of food, dehydration, diseases, and murder from other humans. Whatever worked best at the time survived to reproduce. What didn't was lost. Over many years, a systematic bias in the population toward favorable alleles appeared.

    I'm goin 2 bed, but what I have said is consistent with what we know from biology dude. I am not making anything up. It is what it is.
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    It’s not pity, actually maybe it is

    You’re intelligent but have grown increasingly abnormal in the time I’ve been here

    Human are social beings. Chad's society is a thing. Fitting into Chad's society is a thing. Self-actualisation is a thing.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Attractiveness doesn't necessarily mean what we commonly think of as physical attractiveness. Actually, regarding Chads of history, about 7000 years ago, 1 man reproduced for every 17 women or so. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04375-6
    Male sexual competition and dominance hierarchy has existed for a very, very long time.
    You're talking about a completely different time period now. We were talking about plague survivors (which happened in the Middle Ages - 13th century) and milk drinkers and now you're referring to the Neolithic period. Secondly, even if you say "Okay, in the Neolithic period there was one dominate male who slept with all the women" you still can't say it was based on attractiveness of the female.

    And now we get to the actual point, you said it yourself:

    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    People breed based on many factors.
    DING DING DING DING DING!

    In a moment of clarity you just completely discounted your entire argument. Yep, people breed based on many different factors - NOT JUST ATTRACTIVENESS. There we go. What are we arguing about now? The mystery has been solved.

    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Allele frequencies measure the percentage of the population that has a particular allele. People did not copulate regardless...those who did not have adaptive traits died off without reproducing. Males and females often competed for mates. There were many ancient threats to the species, such as predators, hunger from lack of food, dehydration, diseases, and murder from other humans. Whatever worked best at the time survived to reproduce. What didn't was lost. Over many years, a systematic bias in the population toward favorable alleles appeared.
    And? That proves what?

    You still never went back and looked and any of my replies to you. You didn't watch the video on the psychology of the incel. You simply throw out other arguments and say "It's biology, I didn't make it up". That's no way to try and cement your argument.

    I'm as tired as you are at this point, so I'm going to quit here too. Regardless, the person in this video explains the incel ideology to a T - irrelevant of whether or not violence was involved.

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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    lol
    Oh look you edited to feed into your pretence that this is what made you the victim

    Every day I go out I see couples of different attractiveness, families, laughter, joy and singles with the same joy

    And then there are the rare people who deserve pity and help. They are not functioning for various reasons: trauma, addiction, homeless, bad luck etc
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    Originally Posted by Slurgie View Post
    Saw this vid in my recommended...wtf is this chit?

    Incels are randomly slashing women in the face now then running away.


    Did you not watch the video.

    This happened in 1986


    odd agenda presenting it as if its recent.
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    This thread makes me long for the misc of the recent past where the worst thing we had were manlets and rotters. You never know what you have until it's gone, or so the saying goes.
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    I hate how people view involuntary celibates

    Nearly 30% of the population are confirmed incels. They haven't had sex in an entire calendar year.

    Yet the media has put a label on every guy who doesnt have sex and makes them out to be some sick freak oh hes anti social or he looks a certain way or thinks he is better then everyone and is entitled to a 9/10 he must be an incel

    Fukin sucks man. Society is going to collapse because of how extreme and stupid everything is now. Everything has a label now.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    My therapist was unable to refute my arguments. He just told me to stop overthinking things and said it doesn't help you to think that way. But he had no way to refute it.
    You do realize you're choosing your lifestyle right? Getting laid or a girlfriend isn't rocket science. You focus too much on what you perceive as beautiful, attractive people and fail to realize that the vast majority of the world is average. There will always be outliers, but ugly people still marry and reproduce, so there's that.
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    Originally Posted by Slurgie View Post
    Saw this vid in my recommended...wtf is this chit?

    Incels are randomly slashing women in the face now then running away.

    The video does not say how oftern this happens. I reckon them mentioning 4 assailants. One of them being 30 years ago.
    With 8 Mio New Yorkers, that doesn't really mean regular occurence.
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    Originally Posted by I3igAl View Post
    The video does not say how oftern this happens. I reckon them mentioning 4 assailants. One of them being 30 years ago.
    With 8 Mio New Yorkers, that doesn't really mean regular occurence.
    2016 headline: 23 random slashings in 5 months

    https://nypost.com/2016/03/20/city-h...st-few-months/
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    2016 headline: 23 random slashings in 5 months

    https://nypost.com/2016/03/20/city-h...st-few-months/

    "Cops are battling an 18 percent spike in knife assaults this year, and police sources and criminologists are blaming copycats, gang initiations and hordes of mentally ill homeless people."

    "The medley of victims includes a 71-year-old grandma riding a D train, a 16-year-old Chinese exchange student walking to school in Queens, and a 30-year-old bus commuter in Brooklyn."



    These arent incels attacking young women. These are mentally ill homeless people unable to survive in high cost liberal utopia NYC and attacking random people, including men and old ladies.

    So much for the narrative of mass slashing by incels. But hey OP posted that case from the 1980s.
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    I've said it every time and I'll say it again.

    All this incel violence is getting kicked off by the anti-bullying campaigns.

    When I was a kid if these incel dweebs even sniffed the empty seat of an attractive girl in school they would get beat within an inch of their life. They learned their place at a very young age.

    Now days these kids have no social structure and no fear of chads who will beat the living chit out of them for trying to cut in on the available pussy market.

    So they still grow up getting no pussy, but instead of being fearful of a beatdown they think they can use their manlet strength to overpower and subvert weaker females.

    Where have all the good men gone And where are all the gods? Where's the streetwise Hercules To fight the rising incels? Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed? And I dream of what I need. I need a chad.
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    Originally Posted by Kev1972 View Post
    I've said it every time and I'll say it again.

    All this incel violence is getting kicked off by the anti-bullying campaigns.

    When I was a kid if these incel dweebs even sniffed the empty seat of an attractive girl in school they would get beat within an inch of their life. They learned their place at a very young age.

    Now days these kids have no social structure and no fear of chads who will beat the living chit out of them for trying to cut in on the available pussy market.

    So they still grow up getting no pussy, but instead of being fearful of a beatdown they think they can use their manlet strength to overpower and subvert weaker females.

    Where have all the good men gone And where are all the gods? Where's the streetwise Hercules To fight the rising incels? Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed? And I dream of what I need. I need a chad.
    Holy flaming phaggot over here.
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    Wincel, you're a pretty smart guy. Go get in shape if you aren't already and practice having regular conversations with people. i.e. genuinely be interested in what they're saying/who they are. I see unattractive guys with hot women all the time. They hold conversations well like I imagine you can. Women love smart guys. You can be a chad too. I went from 19 years old, playing video games for 18 hours a day, living with my mom, skinnyfat virgin to working/lifting 5 days a week. I was muscular, confident, and somewhat social within 2 months and lost my virginity right away. All it takes is a bit of effort boyo. You can manifest any world you please. Believe it, put in the work, and it will be so. Just look at Elon Musk.
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    Originally Posted by pogue View Post
    You're using an argument of a logical fallacy "tu quoque".

    If you're 'involuntarily celebrate' because you can't get laid for whatever reason, don't call yourself an "incel". If you're asexual and don't want to have sex then that might be a reason. But making a comparison that being an 'incel' and having a certain ideology is akin to referring to all Muslims as terrorists is an absurd comparison.

    If you're 'involuntarily celebrate' then you need to examine why this is the case. Do you have social anxiety? Do you have an underlying mental health issue that needs to be addressed? Being an 'incel' doesn't mean it's women's fault for rejecting you. And that is really the main point. I think @MediocreGains' explaination is the clearest.
    No, he isn't? I'm a devil's advocate, and it's easy to see incels are just fodder for clickbait and division.

    I mean I remember the whole " I'm a nice dude thus entitled to your vagina " era of the internet 20yrs ago. This is nothing new.
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    Originally Posted by Slurgie View Post
    Saw this vid in my recommended...wtf is this chit?

    Incels are randomly slashing women in the face now then running away.

    Please stop claiming Incels are violent. Literally 2 guys out of tens or even hundreds of thousands of guys did something violent. It's not a trend.

    Originally Posted by pogue View Post
    Incels have an actual worldview based on subverting women to make them compliant sex slaves and have this idea that all women should accept them because it's their "right" to have a woman.

    Check out the interview by the guy who commited the Toronto van attack. It's kind of a long video, but very informative.



    This is propaganda. Again, there have been a total of 2 well noted so-called "Incels" who've done anything violent to the point of being newsworthy. You have the focus of that video (Menassian from Canada), and Elliot Rogers. Most Incels are just sad guys who can't get laid and tend to complain about it online. It's not a wild trend of violent men who blame women for their problems. This is just the demonization of guys who are simply sad/pathetic (yes, I describe myself in that manner) and can't find a mate. Getting tired of this smear campaign.
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    Two of those to the head, that's the fix for the people who do shyt like this.

    Originally Posted by InstantLoser View Post
    Please stop claiming Incels are violent. Literally 2 guys out of tens or even hundreds of thousands of guys did something violent. It's not a trend.
    Didn't you get laid a few years ago? By a miscer no less, why not just do whatever you did to attract them to attract other people, it's not that hard. By labeling yourself an incel, you're not winning the battle.
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    Originally Posted by pogue View Post
    Incels have an actual worldview based on subverting women to make them compliant sex slaves and have this idea that all women should accept them because it's their "right" to have a woman.

    Check out the interview by the guy who commited the Toronto van attack. It's kind of a long video, but very informative.

    The ones who commit violence have much more going on than just women problems. I think it's unfair to completely absolve women from the creation of incels. I mean by definition I would be considered an Incel but I don't have hostile feelings towards women or wish to harm them simply because they reject me so I think it's a much more complex issue than it's made out to be.

    By the way, thanks for showing me this YouTube channel, this type of stuff fascinates me.
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    Originally Posted by Godfrd824 View Post
    Didn't you get laid a few years ago? By a miscer no less, why not just do whatever you did to attract them to attract other people, it's not that hard. By labeling yourself an incel, you're not winning the battle.
    "It's not that hard".

    For you. I'm not interested in derailing the thread or going off on a tangent about my own inability to get laid.
    I'm not a violent person; I just can't properly interact with women.
    I'm simply pointing out the fact that Incels are not inherently violent, and that this smearing of anyone a certain political ideology doesn't like (ie the left, feminists, etc) is getting old.
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    Wow this story is terrible, the incel Menace must be stopped.



    We must do something about these alt right incels who are being radicalized and taught to attack women by 4chan

    All those incels spraying acid in womens faces because they hated Captain Marvels representation of strong women need to be thrown in jail.
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    more manufactured garbage by the leftist media

    I can't believe you phaggots are somehow soaking up this feminist bullchit about an imaginary incel rampage against women when there's been like 2 incidents in the last decade. 99% of the random attacks against women have been by angry Muslims, lol, but uh...incel bad!
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    If one were to search "random slashing" or "random attack" you'll begin to notice a pattern. And it isn't "incels".
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    Originally Posted by Cass40 View Post
    You are incel due to your inability to trust women. Incels are incels because they are not able to connect/have intimacy with a woman, not because some evolutionary reason of being undesirable or whatever that stuff is you write about. There's nothing wrong with them except what happened to them to make them not have the ability to have intimacy with a woman.
    Cass you are exactly right. I argued with Wincel the other day until he mentioned how bad of a mother he had. This was my diagnosis, that his mother hatred has caused massive emotional damage to him. Many kids go through that including myself, but the strong survive and the weak don't, so Wincel got that part right.
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    Originally Posted by Cass40 View Post
    You are incel due to your inability to trust women. Incels are incels because they are not able to connect/have intimacy with a woman, not because some evolutionary reason of being undesirable or whatever that stuff is you write about. There's nothing wrong with them except what happened to them to make them not have the ability to have intimacy with a woman.
    Have you ever stopped to think about why some men can't trust women?
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    Originally Posted by badreligion View Post
    Have you ever stopped to think about why some men can't trust women?
    I’ve had chitty experiences with random males, should that make me not trust all men?

    Excuses suck

    you feel anxiety, doubt yourself, get depressed and you look for an outside force to blame for the negative feelings you have about yourself. And you choose half the human race
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    Women are not responsible for what they find attractive - millions of years of evolution determined that. You are just a failed branch on the tree of human evolution. Your DNA will die with you and good riddance. If you can't attract a mate, it's because you're inferior. You don't deserve anything you haven't earned. Women are completely absolved of responsibility for the incel phenomenon, you fukin creep.
    LOL at thinking every incel is inferior. Man average and below average people with nothing going on in their lives fuk and have multiple kids all the time. This is just more incel hate talk.
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