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    Ohio abortion bill goes to the extreme in the opposite direction

    A bit of background or the "medical terminology" illiterate; an ectopic pregnancy is when the egg does not implant in the uterus, and instead starts to grow in the fallopian tube.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...opic-pregnancy

    Cliffs;

    -If the bill passes, doctors will be charged with murder if they do not re-implant an ectopic pregnancy back into the woman.


    Its such a random bill to create because the condition is so rare. More to the point, the egg doesn't implant properly because there are deformities with it preventing it from being implanted properly (in the uterus) It would virtually guarantee an offspring with a mental disability. I'm so tired of lawmakers (who most likely have very little medical expertise) going full-potato with this nonsense if not in one extreme direction, its the polar opposite.
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    Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    A bit of background or the "medical terminology" illiterate; an ectopic pregnancy is when the egg does not implant in the uterus, and instead starts to grow in the fallopian tube.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...opic-pregnancy

    Cliffs;

    -If the bill passes, doctors will be charged with murder if they do not re-implant an ectopic pregnancy back into the woman.


    Its such a random bill to create because the condition is so rare. More to the point, the egg doesn't implant properly because there are deformities with it preventing it from being implanted properly (in the uterus) It would virtually guarantee an offspring with a mental disability. I'm so tired of lawmakers (who most likely have very little medical expertise) going full-potato with this nonsense if not in one extreme direction, its the polar opposite.
    You cant reimplant I believe it is beyond current medical science...the whole thing doesnt make any medical sense...
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    Originally Posted by Ten_Hearts View Post
    You cant reimplant I believe it is beyond current medical science...the whole thing doesnt make any medical sense...
    I know, thats what makes it stupider.

    Apparently they have to "try" to place it into the uterus damaging the women even further with unnecessary medical intervention, with a guarantee that the egg will just die in the uterus anyway.
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    The right have lost their minds lmao
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    The right have lost their minds lmao
    Yes, one stupid law that most people on the right agree is stupid = the right has lost their minds.

    You truly are an imbecile.
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    Originally Posted by BullittEV View Post
    Yes, one stupid law that most people on the right agree is stupid = the right has lost their minds.

    You truly are an imbecile.
    someone got triggered
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    Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    A bit of background or the "medical terminology" illiterate; an ectopic pregnancy is when the egg does not implant in the uterus, and instead starts to grow in the fallopian tube.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...opic-pregnancy

    Cliffs;

    -If the bill passes, doctors will be charged with murder if they do not re-implant an ectopic pregnancy back into the woman.


    Its such a random bill to create because the condition is so rare. More to the point, the egg doesn't implant properly because there are deformities with it preventing it from being implanted properly (in the uterus) It would virtually guarantee an offspring with a mental disability. I'm so tired of lawmakers (who most likely have very little medical expertise) going full-potato with this nonsense if not in one extreme direction, its the polar opposite.
    Way out of my knowledge realm, but from what you described this sounds dangerous to the mother. Beyond potato.
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    someone got triggered
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    get complex bills ON ABORTION explained to you by far-left websites and wonder why you're confused

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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    get complex bills ON ABORTION explained to you by far-left websites and wonder why you're confused

    lmfao
    Page 184:

    "Such steps include, if applicable, attempting to reimplant an ectopic pregnancy into the woman's uterus"

    https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/leg...d=GA133-HB-413

    Yes, that's not very complex english. That is a potato statement implanted in the bill. A task that is beyond the realm of current medical technology and is beyond dangerous for both the mother and unborn child....

    Ectopic pregnancies are mistakes in human physiology for a reason, just try again
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    Originally Posted by xXGHOST23Xx View Post
    Page 184:

    "Such steps include, if applicable, attempting to reimplant an ectopic pregnancy into the woman's uterus"

    https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/leg...d=GA133-HB-413

    Yes, that's not very complex english. That is a potato statement implanted in the bill. A task that is beyond the realm of current medical technology and is beyond dangerous for both the mother and unborn child....

    Ectopic pregnancies are mistakes in human physiology for a reason, just try again
    1 sentence from a bill with hundreds of pages that says "if applicable" which in medical cases usually means if several doctors agree
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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    1 sentence from a bill with hundreds of pages that says "if applicable" which in medical cases usually means if several doctors agree
    "if applicable" aka never.

    and lets not forget, that it also implies that it is punishable under law. A medical act that is dangerous has to be considered. Shall we waste more of a Doctor's time?

    Several doctors have to agree? Yes I bet there are several OB/GYN surgeons just waiting around to decide if an ectopic pregnancy can be re-implanted. They dont have anything better to do and we have an abundance of them.

    So why put a potato statement in the bill? Just goes to highlight the level of incompetence in politics.
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    Originally Posted by xXGHOST23Xx View Post
    "if applicable" aka never.

    and lets not forget, that it also implies that it is punishable under law. A medical act that is dangerous has to be considered. Shall we waste more of a Doctor's time?

    So why put a potato statement in the bill? Just goes to highlight the level of incompetence in politics.
    are you an obstetrician?
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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    are you an obstetrician?
    I go to medical school, so more of an obstetrician than you
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    Originally Posted by xXGHOST23Xx View Post
    I go to medical school, so more of an obstetrician than you
    oh how convenient, another professional on the R&P
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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    oh how convenient, another professional on the R&P
    What's your point, people cant be in medical school and on the misc? That my statement is correct and you've run out of things to pull out of your ass?

    What are you credentials to be judging this bill? People like you place non sense into these bills
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    Originally Posted by xXGHOST23Xx View Post
    What's your point, people cant be in medical school and on the misc? That my statement is correct and you've run out of things to pull out of your ass?

    What are you credentials to be judging this bill? People like you place non sense into these bills
    I'm an obstetrician

    can you explain when doctors will be jailed if the procedure will never be applicable?
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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    I'm an obstetrician
    Then you would know that ectopic pregnancies are dangerous, should be terminated, and will not be re-implanted.

    So we can agree that the Ohio bill is out of touch with the medical community and was written by incompetent politicians.

    Glad we could come to this conclusion. =)

    See, you dont need to put blind faith into politicians, we can figure it out ourselves!

    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    can you explain when doctors will be jailed if the procedure will never be applicable?
    My point is, why place it in the bill if it will never be done?


    It just highlights how incompetent politicians are. Thats my whole point. You are placing rules around things that are impossible or should never be considered.

    It opens the door to medical litigation because some upset family is going to see an opportunity to make a quick buck.

    And your blind faith or defense of the bill without any medical knowledge is just as worrisome.
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    Originally Posted by xXGHOST23Xx View Post
    "if applicable" aka never.

    and lets not forget, that it also implies that it is punishable under law. A medical act that is dangerous has to be considered. Shall we waste more of a Doctor's time?

    Several doctors have to agree? Yes I bet there are several OB/GYN surgeons just waiting around to decide if an ectopic pregnancy can be re-implanted. They dont have anything better to do and we have an abundance of them.

    So why put a potato statement in the bill? Just goes to highlight the level of incompetence in politics.
    Indeed. This is exactly why we need more scientists, doctors, and engineers to run for office. We need to get rid of these idiot lawyers that have no fuking idea wtf they are doing. They are not equipped to write modern law to deal with the rapidly changing technological reality of our world.
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    Originally Posted by xXGHOST23Xx View Post
    Then you would know that ectopic pregnancies are dangerous, should be terminated, and will not be re-implanted.

    So we can agree that the Ohio bill is out of touch with the medical community and was written by incompetent politicians.

    Glad we could come to this conclusion. =)

    See, you dont need to put blind faith into politicians, we can figure it out ourselves!
    you're saying that no doctors were consulted for this bill and that a random politician just knew what an ectopic pregnancy is and threw it in there?
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Indeed. This is exactly why we need more scientists, doctors, and engineers to run for office. We need to get rid of these idiot lawyers that have no fuking idea wtf they are doing. They are not equipped to write modern law to deal with the rapidly changing technological reality of our world.
    I vaguely remembering a bill that was introduced either in the late 18th or 19th century that proposed only scientists/doctors (or basically the modern day equivalence of STEM professionals) should be eligible to run for political office.
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    Maybe a test case for the Supreme Court to clarify existing law?
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Indeed. This is exactly why we need more scientists, doctors, and engineers to run for office. We need to get rid of these idiot lawyers that have no fuking idea wtf they are doing. They are not equipped to write modern law to deal with the rapidly changing technological reality of our world.
    Too bad the american people will never vote for them. People want sensational headlines and a drama show. People in STEM are about getting stuff done, not a game of cat and mouse.

    Too bad that people in STEM will never run for office either. Why deal with gridlock politics and incompetence left and right when you can make a killing in the private sector.
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    Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    I vaguely remembering a bill that was introduced either in the late 18th or 19th century that proposed only scientists/doctors (or basically the modern day equivalence of STEM professionals) should be eligible to run for political office.
    so people who can't even speak to women should run things?
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    I've read elsewhere that this is a tactic to get the bill to the supreme court where the odds are stacked in favor of those who would do away with roe vs wade.
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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    you're saying that no doctors were consulted for this bill and that a random politician just knew what an ectopic pregnancy is and threw it in there?
    Just because they were consulted doesn't mean that their advice was incorporated into the bill. We dont know how the bill was made to the line, we do know that medical literature does not promote ectopic pregnancy re-implantation.

    You're assuming that politicians do everything that the professionals tell them to and dont throw in non knowledgeable statements. or have their own interests.

    Plus, dont argue for the sake of arguing. I am not here to prove you wrong, I am just here to highlight that politics is the definition of incompetence at times.
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    Originally Posted by xXGHOST23Xx View Post
    Just because they were consulted doesn't mean that their advice was incorporated into the bill. We dont know how the bill was made to the line, we do know that medical literature does not promote ectopic pregnancy re-implantation.

    You're assuming that politicians do everything that the professionals tell them to and dont throw in non knowledgeable statements. or have their own interests.

    Plus, dont argue for the sake of arguing. I am not here to prove you wrong, I am just here to highlight that politics is the definition of incompetence at times.
    you can't call something extreme if you don't know why it was included

    maybe they had their reasons
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    Originally Posted by xXGHOST23Xx View Post
    Too bad the american people will never vote for them. People want sensational headlines and a drama show. People in STEM are about getting stuff done, not a game of cat and mouse.

    Too bad that people in STEM will never run for office either. Why deal with gridlock politics and incompetence left and right when you can make a killing in the private sector.
    The thing that scares the hell out of me is these guys get to pick who they want to listen to, so they choose policymakers and analysts that basically tell them what they want to hear. It is more dangerous now than ever before because of the kinds of weapons that exist now. The actions they take, including public statements even, can have insane ramifications to the nuclear posture. They need to be listening to smart people, and I really hope they do, but I think they stopped doing this right around G dub's presidency. We need GOATs like Von Neumann behind the scenes crunching the numbers on policy and giving sound recommendations. I think we are in serious trouble right now, and nuclear scientists are aware, but a lot of others are not, about how bad things are getting. Our foreign policies, energy policies, social policies, economic policies, budget, etc are all unsustainable and frankly, seem ill advised. I look at who does policy advice for the government, and I see a huge list of history majors and chit. Where are all the scientists? It's very dangerous when policy is set by idealogues with no actual calculation or expert analysis. That's how you get famines, war, and suffering.
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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    you can't call something extreme if you don't know why it was included

    maybe they had their reasons
    I can call it extreme because the majority medical professionals would vouch against the procedure. Because the evidence is there, I will call it extreme.

    Reasons such as what? The medical literature, the evidence that governs modern day treatments does not agree with the bill. It should not be included, period.

    Stop placing blind faith into the politicians just because it's your side thats introducing the bill. Something that is wrong, is wrong, regardless of who is promoting it.
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