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    Loosing strength fast on a cut (I know it’s expected but...)

    I know it’s expected to loose strength but I think this is too much strength lost.

    Running 500 deficit and running fierce 5

    I was able to do 170lbs deadlift easy two weeks into cut. Third week tried progressing to 175 and couldn’t get it twice in a row. So I went back to 170lb. And was rough but got the reps and sets

    Last week I did a reset minus 15% as the program says. So dropped weight to 150lbs.

    Today I tried upping 10lbs and 160lbs felt heavy as fuk.

    I done goofed dropping to 150lbs? Should I have stayed at 170 and kept grinding till the end of cut?

    Same happening with last pull downs military press etc.
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    Why are you cutting when you can only deadlift 170 lbs?
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    Why do you keep making the same thread over and over?
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    Originally Posted by The_Standard View Post
    Why are you cutting when you can only deadlift 170 lbs?
    Really this ^^ and I'm not trying to be an azzhole either because I know everyone starts somewhere. But at that strength level you have no business cutting unless you're obese. How long have you been training? You should have a couple years of building a solid base before you worry about cutting.
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    Why do you keep making the same thread over and over?
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    Originally Posted by The_Standard View Post
    Why are you cutting when you can only deadlift 170 lbs?
    Cuz I’m 20% bodyfat and trying to get down to 15% before starting a slow bulk.

    I wasted 3 month doing recomp - was eating maintenance calories and progressing in lifts but visually I stayed the SAME.

    Got suggestions to cut and get it done with. So that’s what I’m doing...

    Originally Posted by Legz422 View Post
    Why do you keep making the same thread over and over?
    Really? Not the same thread. On last threads I got suggestions to cut. Including Kim suggested doing that same...so that’s what I’m doing.

    Misc is so fast to judge and neg. I almost did not make this thread but then I did.

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    Negged OP because this...
    Well thanks for reading my question and answering and not reading what the other responders said.

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    Originally Posted by The_Standard View Post
    Why are you cutting when you can only deadlift 170 lbs?
    Read whole thing......my first thoughts exactly.

    Also, 500 cal deficit may be too much. If your're only pulling 170 on DL I don't imagine you to be too big of a person meaning you're probably not taking in a ton of cals to start with .....so maybe try 100-200 deficit and go from there.
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    I had to cut 70 lbs this summer and gained strength on a cut.. granted is was muscle memory cuz i had been much stronger a few years back.

    I would guess maybe a couple of things are wrong here.

    1. You have a weak will in the gym and don't put full effort behind lifts as a result your progress is significantly restricted. Dead lift is a movement you should be able to increase pretty consistently at a number like that. I was doing 10lbs a week when i first started in my teens. On a cut, your mind is more of a block than anything. You think you should be weaker so you put yourself in a bad place, you have to amp yourself up get the adrenaline flowing and pick that son-bich up.

    2. you potentially have bad form, your CNS is a much bigger factor in a deadlift than the muscle mass in weights that low IMO.

    2. Your diet is all ****ed up cuz you're restricting calories, that may be too much if you're a small person and potentially not sourcing the right ratio of macros.


    Not trying to mean but I see people who spin wheels all the time and month after month they look the same and it comes down to being afraid to push themselves on lifts or not doing it right and of course mismanaging their food intake.

    I workout at a planet fitness so it's quite common to see people ultimately wasting their time.
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    Cuz I’m 20% bodyfat and trying to get down to 15% before starting a slow bulk.

    I wasted 3 month doing recomp - was eating maintenance calories and progressing in lifts but visually I stayed the SAME.

    Got suggestions to cut and get it done with. So that’s what I’m doing...
    20% is honestly not that high. Sure, you won't see a lot of definition at that BF%, but it sounds more like you need to get your diet/macros/training in check more than you need to do a cut.
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    Pictures are in gallery if anyone cares to see. Last two three months I look exactly the same!!

    DONT KNOW IF THIS MAKES A DIFF but I did the exact same thing one time before. Got stuck at 167lbs and weight wouldn’t budge and lifts stalled...

    Thanks guys for all the great responses.

    Thanks to y’all my macros are in check. I eat 1g protien per lb of body weight and 40g min fat. Rest is in carbs.

    I take in somewhere between 1800 and 1950 calories a day.

    I used to be 205lbs 1 year ago and currently at 167lbs. Been seriously lifting on a program since August and was making progress weekly in my lifts (I started real real weak) up until last couple weeks. I started cutting early November.

    I felt like I was spinning my wheels eating maintenance and looking the same even though my lifts were going up.

    There is so much conflicting info it’s just a mind fuk. Many experienced lifters (judging from AVI and their rep strength), I went ahead and started a cut yet once again.

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    Originally Posted by TryingBB View Post
    Really? Not the same thread. On last threads I got suggestions to cut. Including Kim suggested doing that same...so that’s what I’m doing.

    Misc is so fast to judge and neg. I almost did not make this thread but then I did.

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    Well it's basically the same. Why not bump with an update? Anyway, I didn't neg you. Good luck.
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    ive been on keto since sept 6 (taking a break this week) and i'm stronger now than ever before. If you are in a positive nitrogen balance then you should be fine. Perhaps your macros are off

    Edit: I do recall hearing about the Minnesota Starvation Experiment where a big group of men were put on a kcal deficit (cant remember how much. i think it was pretty big) and all lost strength, were easily fatigued and cold all the time. Some even resorted to hoarding cook books and chewing 40 packs of gum a day because of it.
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    At this point i need to see a picture OP srs. Ive seen the same thread like 5 times now its about time you get THE advice
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    Originally Posted by tank2003 View Post
    ive been on keto since sept 6 (taking a break this week) and i'm stronger now than ever before. If you are in a positive nitrogen balance then you should be fine. Perhaps your macros are off

    Edit: I do recall hearing about the Minnesota Starvation Experiment where a big group of men were put on a kcal deficit (cant remember how much. i think it was pretty big) and all lost strength, were easily fatigued and cold all the time. Some even resorted to hoarding cook books and chewing 40 packs of gum a day because of it.
    How much of a deficit are you running? What’s your current bodyfat, Weight, TDEE and height?

    I’m 20% bodyfat, 5 ft 8inches and 167lbs and TDEE is 2300.
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    Are you only training 3x a week?
    Yes I train 3 x per week.

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    Strength training on a caloric deficit always works best for gains. Must just be you OP.
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    At this point i need to see a picture OP srs. Ive seen the same thread like 5 times now its about time you get THE advice
    lol thank you. Yes please for the advice

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    Originally Posted by jeshelton View Post
    Strength training on a caloric deficit always works best for gains. Must just be you OP.
    I get the sarcasm...all the conflicting info is getting to me.

    I need to get stronger
    I need to look leaner and better
    I need optimal nutrition partitioning

    I picked 2 and 3 for now and reset my weights. The lower weights are also feeling real heavy that I flew past real easy before. I know I’m making a mistake somewhere. I don’t want to loose muscle on this cut. That’s why I’m here asking for advice from y’all.

    Done making so many mistakes..what do? What needs to change? Current goals are get leaner before starting a slow bulk.
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    Originally Posted by TryingBB View Post
    How much of a deficit are you running? What’s your current bodyfat, Weight, TDEE and height?

    I’m 20% bodyfat, 5 ft 8inches and 167lbs and TDEE is 2300.
    Havent kept track (wayyyyyyy too lazy for that) but i'd estimate about 1500 in. No idea what bodyfat is....too high. Gained a lot in the years after my back surgery. I'd say...18% ish. If i went back and got measured at MEPS for the bf% test, it would probably say 22%+. 6'3 and TDEE calculator says 4,018 kcal per day but thats just ridiculous. With my bad back (In the gym, i can mostly do what I want with little pain (endorphins) but i do have to do my reps then sit down to ease the nerve pain. No squats or deadlifts though. Arthritis is way too bad for that)
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    this was the tdee result. I'd put mine around 2500 at best though because outside of the gym, i simply cant do much
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    170lbs deadlift?

    and you are cutting?

    and i tought i was weak, lmao.

    what are your stats??
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    Originally Posted by TryingBB View Post
    I know it’s expected to loose strength but I think this is too much strength lost.

    Running 500 deficit and running fierce 5

    I was able to do 170lbs deadlift easy two weeks into cut. Third week tried progressing to 175 and couldn’t get it twice in a row. So I went back to 170lb. And was rough but got the reps and sets

    Last week I did a reset minus 15% as the program says. So dropped weight to 150lbs.

    Today I tried upping 10lbs and 160lbs felt heavy as fuk.

    I done goofed dropping to 150lbs? Should I have stayed at 170 and kept grinding till the end of cut?

    Same happening with last pull downs military press etc.
    you deadlift 170lb baghahahahahahahah are you a girl?
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    Originally Posted by TryingBB View Post
    Current goals are get leaner before starting a slow bulk.
    Say no more. Ive seen your pics btw

    1)Drop that ****ty ass program, not sure why are you so focused on your deadlift max while cutting.
    2) Push/Pull/Legs, research a good one on youtube
    3) Try to get at least 5 sessions a week.
    4) Go HARD. Aim for 8 rep sets, make that muscle WORK.
    5) Weight yourself and figure out a 500 cal deficit, then track weight, if you are losing around 1 pound per week you are good, adjust accordingly
    6) Go HARD, and dont have cheat days.
    7)Use creatine
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    How the fuk can you not lift more than 170 even while cutting?

    Stop focusing on cutting, and start focusing on lifting. Your body will course correct and cut your bf as your muscle increases.

    Go lift phaggot. Fuk your dumb 3 day program SRS.
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    Originally Posted by ShakeBrah View Post
    How the fuk can you not lift more than 170 even while cutting?

    Stop focusing on cutting, and start focusing on lifting. Your body will course correct and cut your bf as your muscle increases.

    Go lift phaggot. Fuk your dumb 3 day program SRS.

    3 day programs are enough if its a good program.
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    Originally Posted by Legz422 View Post
    Well it's basically the same. Why not bump with an update? Anyway, I didn't neg you. Good luck.
    Bump an old thread and everyone jumps at Reviving a old thread.


    Thanks everyone for the responses.

    I’m going to bump up my calories to 2000 - fast cut is not for me I guess.(it was not even that fast - trying to loose 1lb per week)

    It has fuked me before and it’s doing it again. I’ll just stay fat longer I suppose and keep getting stronger. lol

    Don’t think I’m being a puss either cuz I train ballz to the wall every time and progress as per the program. Just last week I’ve been Stalling / regressing. I did start very weak - empty bar on almost everything but deadlift and progressed as the program called for it.

    Keep marching forward. Compared to my first pic and current pic there is 100% improvement ... gonna keep moving along

    Originally Posted by ShakeBrah View Post
    How the fuk can you not lift more than 170 even while cutting?

    Stop focusing on cutting, and start focusing on lifting. Your body will course correct and cut your bf as your muscle increases.

    Go lift phaggot. Fuk your dumb 3 day program SRS.
    170 is my 5 rep max. It’s light as fuk I know but it’s better than 95lbs lol
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