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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    politics creeping in. Some people also don't fully understand the gravity of what trump did. She claims its wrong, but doesn't want to get into impeachment for peripheral reasons? how does censuring him tell future presidents its not acceptable if doing it never resulted in impeachment?
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    Her district is east Detroit and voted 79% for Hilary.

    Needless to say, her seat is safe as safe can be and she can't even buy into the impeachment bullchit.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    the guy has admitted to it at least twice and his chief of staff admitted to it on camera. Not caring because he's not a democrat doesn't make it any less bad. And your opinions are as significant as that of a flea. Every single last one of you delusion barely sentient cultists would be on the attack if trump were a democrat.



    didn't notice her race. Not a liberal. Guessing you noticing her race and making that accusation suggests you're a racist.

    Ah the ol “I know you are but what am I” defense. Imagine my shock
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    politics creeping in. Some people also don't fully understand the gravity of what trump did. She claims its wrong, but doesn't want to get into impeachment for peripheral reasons? how does censuring him tell future presidents its not acceptable if doing it never resulted in impeachment?
    LMFAO

    the "everyone's stupid except me argument"

    bold move
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    Originally Posted by jeffl1980 View Post
    Seeing that the DNC is 6mil in debt and had to take out a loan for 10mil, they should probably start running on policy and less on impeachment.

    The far left has hijacked the Dem party. You should be concerned because moderate Dems will wake up at some point......
    I'm surprised "Donate so we can try to impeach Trump for the 5th time" doesn't loosen pockets.
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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    LMFAO

    the "everyone's stupid except me argument"

    bold move
    its not about being stupid. but i guess you guys aren't really capable of processing the real world so you have to simplify it to that. Some people don't pay enough attention or don't have that great a reference point. Sometimes its just being gray on what is right or wrong. A president doing what trump attempted is high up there on the "should never be done" chart. I know you can't understand it. He's not a democrat, bad things he does are therefore only 25% as bad in your mind.

    Previously the democrats in leadership were saying, mostly, that they would not impeach him and would just beat him at the polls. Yesterday I overheard a good point - when trump does something to interfere in those elections, logically it no longer makes sense to think you will just beat him at the polls to prevent the bad things he does. When he takes his impeachable offenses to trying to buy the next elections with tax payer money, you can no longer just sit there. Doesn't make sense.

    This among other reasons are why people like Schiff and Pelosi who were saying no impeachment before are now saying they have to impeach. For Schiff apparently it was because he started bribing ukraine right after the whole mueller situation. Demonstrating that he thought he was above the law. I mean when you can defy congressional subpoenas and control the DOJ, you get bold.

    Hence why these arguments that the democrats won't impeach doesn't make sense. He's gone too far at this point for them to make political arguments against impeaching him. They simply have to now (not saying they can't pull a GOP and not do their jobs, but they seem to be sticking to doing what they are there for.)
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    Originally Posted by BadMonkeyFunker View Post
    he will get impeached 100%. LMFAO!

    this BS stroy is geting around all the right wing fuk nut sites as if house is divided cant decide ... LFMAO!
    You going to disappear when it doesn't happen? I mean for something to be 100% you should be pretty confident.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    its not about being stupid. but i guess you guys aren't really capable of processing the real world so you have to simplify it to that. Some people don't pay enough attention or don't have that great a reference point. Sometimes its just being gray on what is right or wrong. A president doing what trump attempted is high up there on the "should never be done" chart. I know you can't understand it. He's not a democrat, bad things he does are therefore only 25% as bad in your mind.

    Previously the democrats were saying. mostly, that they would not impeach him and would just beat him at the polls. Yesterday I overheard a good point. When trump does something to interfere in those elections, logically it no longer makes sense to think you will just beat him at the polls to prevent the bad things he does. When he takes his impeachable offenses to trying to buy the next elections with tax payer money, you can no longer just sit there. Doesn't make sense.

    This among other reasons are why people like Schiff and Pelosi who were saying no impeachment before are now saying they have to impeach. For Schiff apparently it was because he started bribing ukraine right after the whole mueller situation. Demonstrating that he thought he was above the law. I mean when you can defy congressional subpoenas and control the DOJ, you get bold.
    This is what the coping does to people, keep spinning that web of narratives boyo. You sound like Beowulf when he couldn't come to terms with the Russia Russia Russia! investigation outcome.


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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    its not about being stupid. but i guess you guys aren't really capable of processing the real world so you have to simplify it to that. Some people don't pay enough attention or don't have that great a reference point. Sometimes its just being gray on what is right or wrong. A president doing what trump attempted is high up there on the "should never be done" chart. I know you can't understand it. He's not a democrat, bad things he does are therefore only 25% as bad in your mind.

    Previously the democrats in leadership were saying, mostly, that they would not impeach him and would just beat him at the polls. Yesterday I overheard a good point - when trump does something to interfere in those elections, logically it no longer makes sense to think you will just beat him at the polls to prevent the bad things he does. When he takes his impeachable offenses to trying to buy the next elections with tax payer money, you can no longer just sit there. Doesn't make sense.

    This among other reasons are why people like Schiff and Pelosi who were saying no impeachment before are now saying they have to impeach. For Schiff apparently it was because he started bribing ukraine right after the whole mueller situation. Demonstrating that he thought he was above the law. I mean when you can defy congressional subpoenas and control the DOJ, you get bold.

    Hence why these arguments that the democrats won't impeach doesn't make sense. He's gone too far at this point for them to make political arguments against impeaching him. They simply have to now (not saying they can't pull a GOP and not do their jobs, but they seem to be sticking to doing what they are there for.)
    Now it's bribery

    i thought it was a quid pro quo?!
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    This is what the coping does to people, keep spinning that web of narratives boyo. You sound like Beowulf when he couldn't come to terms with the Russia Russia Russia! investigation outcome.


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    the investigation outcome was several instances of collusion and attempted collusion along with multiple instances of obstruction of justice. You would know if it were a democrat involved.

    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    Now it's bribery

    i thought it was a quid pro quo?!
    guess its another thing that needs explanation for the trumpets.

    But the decision to use the term bribery rather than quid pro quo is unremarkable from a legal perspective. Quid pro quo is a Latin phrase that means “something for something.” As Justice Antonin Scalia explained 20 years ago, a quid pro quo is what distinguishes bribery from other crimes of corruption, such as graft or illegal gratuities. So people who are familiar with the law of bribery have always understood the discussion about whether there was a “quid pro quo” in the dealings with Ukraine to be a discussion about whether this was a case of bribery.

    Defenders of the president, such as the Fox News host Laura Ingraham, have said that Trump’s actions are, at worst, “attempted bribery,” not bribery itself.

    In making this argument, they are relying on the facts that the military aid was ultimately delivered to Ukraine and that the Ukrainian president never made a public statement announcing those investigations that President Trump wanted. Because things didn’t go as President Trump wanted, some seem to think that he can’t be guilty of bribery—he only attempted to commit bribery. This distinction matters, according to Ingraham, because “attempted bribery isn’t in the Constitution.”

    Jane Chong: There’s never going to be a clear standard for impeachable offenses

    But this view is incorrect about the crime of bribery. Nothing has to actually change hands for bribery to occur. It is enough that the exchange was offered or suggested. The law generally defines bribery as the “corrupt payment, receipt, or solicitation of a private favor for official action.” That definition appears in one form or another in criminal laws across the country.

    Take, for example, the federal law of bribery. It prohibits public officials from corruptly accepting anything of value in return for an official act. But it also prohibits officials from corruptly demanding or seeking anything of value in return for an official act. In other words, the crime of bribery is committed as soon as the public official asks for or demands something in return for exercising his or her power. Even if the other person refuses to give the public official anything, the official is still guilty of bribery.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...chment/602353/

    I know these words will have no impact in your head. After all, he's not a democrat. why apply law and moral ideals to him?
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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    Now it's bribery

    i thought it was a quid pro quo?!
    It's more like "It's the Trumpers' fault there isn't any Quid Pro Quo!". Instead of realizing this was a media/political circus to drum up controversy RE: Trump, SUMOtope is doing top tier mental gymnastics (I'll give it a 10/10) to distract herself from the notion that media may have lied to her.

    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    the investigation outcome was several instances of collusion and attempted collusion along with multiple instances of obstruction of justice. You would know if it were a democrat involved.
    I don't see the world through a political lens. There was no collusion and you're a narrative speaker box, nothing more.

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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    It's more like "It's the Trumpers' fault there isn't any Quid Pro Quo!". Instead of realizing this was a media/political circus to drum up controversy RE: Trump, SUMOtope is doing top tier mental gymnastics (I'll give it a 10/10) to distract herself from the notion that media may have lied to her.

    I don't see the world through a political lens. There was no collusion and you're a narrative speaker box, nothing more.

    1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

    2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

    3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

    4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

    5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

    6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

    7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

    8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

    9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

    10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

    11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

    12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.

    13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations.

    14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration.
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    The Democrats face a lot of what aboutisms in trying to impeach Trump. From Biden’s Son’s actions in the Ukraine to the Steele Dossier to the Clintons involvement in Whitewater the Democrats questionable actions will be used to counter act what Trump’s being accused of.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    the investigation outcome was several instances of collusion and attempted collusion along with multiple instances of obstruction of justice. You would know if it were a democrat involved.



    guess its another thing that needs explanation for the trumpets.



    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...chment/602353/

    I know these words will have no impact in your head. After all, he's not a democrat. why apply law and moral ideals to him?
    post the proof
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    Originally Posted by monty097 View Post
    It happening in the house is far from a guarantee, but they better hope it does because if it doesn't after all this crap they might as well hand Trump the election in 2020.
    if they do impeach, they might as well hand Trump the election.

    dems dun screwed the pooch on this one.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

    2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

    3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

    4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

    5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

    6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

    7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

    8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

    9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

    10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

    11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

    12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.

    13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations.

    14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration.
    The website you used for the above, https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/g...-on-collusion/ offers a bunch of cavaets and admits there is no official link to implicate Trump and his campaign, you can read them yourself.

    I know you want to believe so badly that Trump coordinated with the Russians to win 2016, but unfortunately for you, there was No Collusion. SO MUCH SO, that the DEMOCRATS aren't even leaning on it significantly to push their impeachment agenda. Face it Sumotope, you lost, get over it. Trump won because his message resonated with the part of America that has been consistently neglected by Washington, something Democrats and Republicans are constantly missing the point on.
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    post the proof
    Schiff has it.

    It's locked up in a safe somewhere with the Russian Collusion evidence he has...
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    I think everyone needs to realize that the Dems are a mental health issue at this point. Sure, the base has some obvious hysteria, but now the mental health issues have gotten into Congress. These people are unstable and need to be kept away from any sort of power. Like Graham said "Boy, you want power, and I hope you never get it.""
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    The website you used for the above, https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/g...-on-collusion/ offers a bunch of cavaets and admits there is no official link to implicate Trump and his campaign, you can read them yourself.

    I know you want to believe so badly that Trump coordinated with the Russians to win 2016, but unfortunately for you, there was No Collusion. SO MUCH SO, that the DEMOCRATS aren't even leaning on it significantly to push their impeachment agenda. Face it Sumotope, you lost, get over it. Trump won because his message resonated with the part of America that has been consistently neglected by Washington, something Democrats and Republicans are constantly missing the point on.
    you have no idea what the democrats will include in their impeachment articles. They already went through the mueller investigation and were hit with obstruction yet again by the white house. Just this monday they finally got a judge to rule that MccGahn can testify but the white house will still appeal that ruling to delay his testimony.

    You mean caveats like this?

    II. Analysis of Major Findings

    1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin

    2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails

    What the Mueller Report says:

    At a March 31, 2016 meeting of the campaign’s foreign policy advisory group, one of the advisers George Papadopoulos “brought up a potential meeting with Russian Officials,” and told the group that he learned from his contacts in London that Putin wanted to meet Trump. At the meeting, Trump was “interested in and receptive to” the idea of setting up a meeting with Putin.

    In late April 2016, a Russian operative did not simply reveal to Papadopoulos that they had derogatory information on Clinton in the form of thousands of emails. The Kremlin operative previewed their plan for “anonymous release” of the information to help the Trump campaign.

    Supplemental information/analysis:

    A very significant question is what reception the Russians got from the Trump Campaign after making these revelations. The Mueller Report is silent on the Campaign’s/Papadopoulos’ response to the Russians informing them of the plan to disseminate the derogatory information. There is at least no indication that the Campaign said or did anything to dissuade the Russians. Instead, following the late April 2016 meeting, the Campaign supported Papadopoulos’s efforts to organize a back channel meeting with Russian officials and Campaign officials. The meeting would be highly secret. Papadopoulos’ hand-written notes state that Trump Campaign members “would attend without the official backing of the Campaign (‘no official letter/no message from Trump’).” That meeting, however, never ultimately took place.

    Caveat:

    Loose ends: The investigation could not establish whether Papadopoulos informed the Campaign about the Russian government’s having derogatory information on Clinton in the form of emails. That’s one feature of the Report’s being constrained by the burdens of proof in a criminal context. It is highly likely that Papadopoulos did inform the Campaign. The young national security advisor appears to have continually kept Campaign officials informed of his communications with the Russians, was eager to show value in his connections to the Russians, and informed others outside of the Campaign (an Australian diplomat on May 6, 2016; Greece’s Foreign Minister in late May 2016) that the Russian government had told the Campaign about the derogatory information it had on Clinton.
    oh no, so muct veat...

    Doesn't change a damn thing. because....


    "Instead, following the late April 2016 meeting, the Campaign supported Papadopoulos’s efforts to organize a back channel meeting with Russian officials and Campaign officials. The meeting would be highly secret. Papadopoulos’ hand-written notes state that Trump Campaign members “would attend without the official backing of the Campaign (‘no official letter/no message from Trump’).” That meeting, however, never ultimately took place."
    Originally Posted by ghostfacedup View Post
    I think everyone needs to realize that the Dems are a mental health issue at this point. Sure, the base has some obvious hysteria, but now the mental health issues have gotten into Congress. These people are unstable and need to be kept away from any sort of power. Like Graham said "Boy, you want power, and I hope you never get it.""
    the irony.
    Is there no limit to what people will believe if it is prefaced by the phrase,
    "Scientists say" ?

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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    LMFAO

    the "everyone's stupid except me argument"

    bold move
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    you have no idea what the democrats will include in their impeachment articles. They already went through the mueller investigation and were hit with obstruction yet again by the white house. Just this monday they finally got a judge to rule that MccGahn can testify but the white house will still appeal that ruling to delay his testimony.

    You mean caveats like this?

    oh no, so muct veat...

    Doesn't change a damn thing. because....

    the irony.
    (‘no official letter/no message from Trump’).” That meeting, however, never ultimately took place."
    That's the best you can come up with Sumo? Come on LMFAO.

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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    That's the best you can come up with Sumo? Come on LMFAO.

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    yes, you guys keep on with this thinking. Hope you never end up before a judge and think you can argue that "it never actually happened" hoping that will get you out of trouble. Remember that its only in your head that attempts at doing something wrong don't matter.
    Is there no limit to what people will believe if it is prefaced by the phrase,
    "Scientists say" ?

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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    yes, you guys keep on with this thinking. Hope you never end up before a judge and think you can argue that "it never actually happened" hoping that will get you out of trouble. Remember that its only in your head that attempts at doing something wrong don't matter.
    Well, in a real court, they don't exactly allow hearsay as evidence...
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    Originally Posted by kcadrenalin View Post
    Despite the spin from Pelosi and Schiff, and the nonstop push for impeachment from the press, last week was not a good look for democrats. Pelosi may be able to get the votes through extreme pressure, but many people in Washington still remember what happened the last time she did that. She forced several members to vote for Obamacare that wanted nothing to do with it, and they all lost re-election.

    My guess is they won't do it and go with censure, but who knows. Pelosi is trapped between trying to hold the house and keeping her rabid base from turning on her.
    I mean, let's be real tea. Pelosi isn't a good look for the Dems period. And I say that as one of them.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    yes, you guys keep on with this thinking. Hope you never end up before a judge and think you can argue that "it never actually happened" hoping that will get you out of trouble. Remember that its only in your head that attempts at doing something wrong don't matter.
    So you're confirming that's the best you can do to prove "collusion"? Got it.
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    It looks likes she has backtracked on backtracking.

    Democratic Rep. Brenda Lawrence, just two days after declaring she could no longer "see the value" in removing President Trump from office as she pushed instead for an alternative to impeachment, has reversed course again -- now claiming she's completely on board with impeachment.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    the investigation outcome was several instances of collusion and attempted collusion along with multiple instances of obstruction of justice. You would know if it were a democrat involved.



    guess its another thing that needs explanation for the trumpets.



    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...chment/602353/

    I know these words will have no impact in your head. After all, he's not a democrat. why apply law and moral ideals to him?
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    Originally Posted by swimmer32 View Post
    This 100%. That's why they've been pushing impeachment in the first place - it's their only hope. If Trump will just shut up from now until the election he will win in a landslide.
    I've been saying for 3 years that he just needs to shut up and that he is his own worst enemy.
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    Originally Posted by 401Delta View Post
    It looks likes she has backtracked on backtracking.



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