Why don't more brahs major in engineering

[MediocreGains]

Because the last thing the world needs are more barely qualified engineers.

[Muztek]

undergrad tryin to major in engineering rn srs

My friend got on this bandwagon, he's legit trying to convince me to get into engineering when he knows damn well I've been planning to go into medicine for over a year.

Engineering sounds cool but that's it. Not interested in the education path or the career.

thats what i meant

im retarded as ****, excuse me brah my brain is fried from too much homework

finishing up my first quarter rn, i was originally thinking computer engineering but also interested in EE/ME or bio srs

havent really decided yet, theres so much **** out there and im just trying to learn more about everything. how do you like EE?

engineering is interesting af in general bro.
i've only done basic first year engineering with a small emphasis on EE, but am streamed to begin the major as of next semester.

even basic first year electrical system unit was challenging bro....

it was one of those units where you need to put effort to comprehend, but once it clicks, you're good.
for that unit we learnt about; dc systems analysis, ac systems analysis, op-amps, diodes, transistors, BJTs, binary-decimal regarding analog to digital conversions including resolution and levels.
the methods for dc stumped alot of people yet now i look back i go, how the fk was mesh analysis and nodal analysis hard?
then utilizing complex numbers and calculus (integration mainly) for ac systems was another big jump.

it's fun as **** bro, but damn it requires effort, and thats basics and first year.

[GravityLee]

Have engineering degrees in 3 disciplines - chemical, nuclear and petroleum. Work in petroleum because it pays the most. Unless you're in a pseudo engineering field like civil or industrial it takes a very specific personality type to be a successful engineer. You have to be able to work independently, on a team as needed, for hours/days/weeks at a time - weeks in petroleum - without a lot of social interaction. I am a good engineer because I have zero desire to talk to anybody ever but when I need to I can, I just want to be left alone to solve problems and complete tasks.

Also most people are too dumb or lazy to finish. Started my chemical engineering undergrad with probably 100 in the class, 18 of us graduated.

My dad has an engineering degree and a masters. He makes 250k+. Op is a 30k peon or a virginal college sophmore. Ive never heard actual engineers talk like it was “easy”. My dad is typically the smartest and hardest working man in most rooms he enters. I dont mean that because he tells people, i dont mean that because of what he earns, i mean when he opens his mouth it becomes apparent hes way above the average person in numerous areas.

[Wheyvid]

My dad has an engineering degree and a masters. He makes 250k+. Op is a 30k peon or a virginal college sophmore. Ive never heard actual engineers talk like it was “easy”. My dad is typically the smartest and hardest working man in most rooms he enters. I dont mean that because he tells people, i dont mean that because of what he earns, i mean when he opens his mouth it becomes apparent hes way above the average person in numerous areas.

Lol I am actually going to graduate college and I don't think that Engineering in STEM is easy.

[Retoaded]

Because the last thing the world needs are more barely qualified engineers.

you not ready to drive on that bridge designed by an affirmative action engineer brah?

[Aristotelian]

People roast China and Indians but America and Westerners in general are living off the coattails of their ancestors for most part. Eastern society respects education and STEM the West doesn't. Let see which civilization outlives the other in 50 years.

For anyone in a top STEM program in NA in the last 15+ years this holds true, as does your comments about 'white guys' being outnumbered 10:1 by say, students from India, Pakistan and China.

Yet, why are so many still crying that 'white guys' hold management positions? The same argument used against women (the gender pay gap nonsense) holds true for so-called 'minorities'.

Inb4 'yeah but the asians don't go to grad school' - sure they do.

[dawktwenty]

Engineering is nothing but phone calls and dealing with red tape.

Ask me how I know

[Retoaded]

Engineering is nothing but phone calls and dealing with red tape.

Ask me how I know

I'm a civil consultant. Around here we say PE stands for Permitting Engineer.

[fate0311]

Computer Science>Engineering

Computers/software are the future

[alejo2308]

Besides the fact that most people aren’t smart enough, a lot of people just aren’t that interested in things

I don't think you need to be super smart to study engineering. I'm like 6 months away from getting my BSc in electrical engineering and I don't think I'm super smart, just decent enough with numbers. It's more of a discipline thing. Engineering requires lots and lots of discipline because some concepts aren't easy to grasp immediately, so you need to do tons of practice problems to get them. Not saying engineering is easy, but it's certainly not as difficult as some people make it out to be.

[Wheyvid]

Computer Science>Engineering

Computers/software are the future

You're not wrong software is eating the world; I'm actually a CS student however society need more than just Computer/Software Engineers.

[ScramFranklin]

Newsflash: engineering salaries aren’t that great either boyo.

This. Very disappointed with salary prospects.

[AltarOfPlagues]

its too fukkin many of us if anything, im tryna get rich

[Wheyvid]

For anyone in a top STEM program in NA in the last 15+ years this holds true, as does your comments about 'white guys' being outnumbered 10:1 by say, students from India, Pakistan and China.

Yet, why are so many still crying that 'white guys' hold management positions? The same argument used against women (the gender pay gap nonsense) holds true for so-called 'minorities'.

Inb4 'yeah but the asians don't go to grad school' - sure they do.

yeah idk why people complain about white privilege or racism in engineering when most engineers or personnel in tech and engineering aren't white anymore. idk bro

[alejo2308]

engineering is interesting af in general bro.
i've only done basic first year engineering with a small emphasis on EE, but am streamed to begin the major as of next semester.

even basic first year electrical system unit was challenging bro....

it was one of those units where you need to put effort to comprehend, but once it clicks, you're good.
for that unit we learnt about; dc systems analysis, ac systems analysis, op-amps, diodes, transistors, BJTs, binary-decimal regarding analog to digital conversions including resolution and levels.
the methods for dc stumped alot of people yet now i look back i go, how the fk was mesh analysis and nodal analysis hard?
then utilizing complex numbers and calculus (integration mainly) for ac systems was another big jump.

it's fun as **** bro, but damn it requires effort, and thats basics and first year.

EE is amazing srs. I dropped out of ME, then started EE at a different college a couple years ago. I just love everything about EE, from basic chit (electrical design for homes and commerces) to more complex stuff (control systems, power plants, power system analysis). It's mind-blowing to me how smart humans are, being able to understand, make sense, and take advantage of all the abstract concepts I've learned about. Engineering is problem solving, and I just love that chit.

[Destor]

Feels like the money from Engineering is mostly on the Management side whether managing departments or projects. Project Managers for EPCs or major clients can make big money but it's also high stress and responsibility, and you can make comparable money in comparable roles without an Engineering degree


Unless you're going to be patenting designs and getting into manufacturing etc like 1fast1

[1slo5oh]

Have engineering degrees in 3 disciplines - chemical, nuclear and petroleum. Work in petroleum because it pays the most. Unless you're in a pseudo engineering field like civil or industrial it takes a very specific personality type to be a successful engineer. You have to be able to work independently, on a team as needed, for hours/days/weeks at a time - weeks in petroleum - without a lot of social interaction. I am a good engineer because I have zero desire to talk to anybody ever but when I need to I can, I just want to be left alone to solve problems and complete tasks.

Also most people are too dumb or lazy to finish. Started my chemical engineering undergrad with probably 100 in the class, 18 of us graduated.

Accurate AF...

And FWIW if I had it to do all over again I would go straight to Petroleum Engineering instead of Mechanical. I simply choose the later because I had field experience. Granted it has served me well but nothing like P.E. has for a couple of friends of mine.

[ScramFranklin]

Accurate AF...

And FWIW if I had it to do all over again I would go straight to Petroleum Engineering instead of Mechanical. I simply choose the later because I had field experience. Granted it has served me well but nothing like P.E. has for a couple of friends of mine.

Same. I'm civil for an electrical power company but petroleum is where the money is.

[numberguy12]

Higher level than Algebra for sure lol.

Is this really the standard we are going to use for comparison? Algebra? Like a 7th or 8th grade class?

And yes, calc 3 is still an introductory mathematics course.

There is also a difference between just taking a class like calc 3 to get through it, like I'm sure many engineering and other undergrads etc do....and being a master of it and really understanding it. For example, at the drop of a hat, are they able to determine what ∫e^(-x^2)dx from -∞ to ∞ is using a certain double integral and conversion to polar coordinates? Are they able to determine what the sum of the infinite series ∑(1/k^2), starting from k=1, is, using an appropriate double integral?

engineering is interesting af in general bro.
i've only done basic first year engineering with a small emphasis on EE, but am streamed to begin the major as of next semester.

even basic first year electrical system unit was challenging bro....

it was one of those units where you need to put effort to comprehend, but once it clicks, you're good.
for that unit we learnt about; dc systems analysis, ac systems analysis, op-amps, diodes, transistors, BJTs, binary-decimal regarding analog to digital conversions including resolution and levels.
the methods for dc stumped alot of people yet now i look back i go, how the fk was mesh analysis and nodal analysis hard?
then utilizing complex numbers and calculus (integration mainly) for ac systems was another big jump.

it's fun as **** bro, but damn it requires effort, and thats basics and first year.

Never really understood how someone could consider the bolded "interesting af". Seems to be rather base application. To each his own, if you're interested, that's great. I find stuff like theoretical mathematics to be much more interesting- it is a study of truth in a fundamental sense, and is, in a very good sense, an artform containing much beauty.

One of my fav quotes from G.H. Hardy, the famous mathematician/number theorist:

"We have concluded that the trivial mathematics is, on the whole, useful, and that the real mathematics, on the whole, is not." -Hardy, A Mathematician's Apology

I think a lot of what is being referred to ITT as "math" in engineering, falls under the first category- that of trivial mathematics. People mention calculating integrals etc.

[fate0311]

Is this really the standard we are going to use for comparison? Algebra? Like a 7th or 8th grade class?

And yes, calc 3 is still an introductory mathematics course.

There is also a difference between just taking a class like calc 3 to get through it, like I'm sure many engineering and other undergrads etc do....and being a master of it and really understanding it. For example, at the drop of a hat, are they able to determine what ∫e^(-x^2)dx from -∞ to ∞ is using a certain double integral and conversion to polar coordinates? Are they able to determine what the sum of the infinite series ∑(1/k^2), starting from k=1, is, using an appropriate double integral?



Never really understood how someone could consider the bolded "interesting af". Seems to be rather base application. To each his own, if you're interested, that's great. I find stuff like theoretical mathematics to be much more interesting- it is a study of truth in a fundamental sense, and is, in a very good sense, an artform containing much beauty.

One of my fav quotes from G.H. Hardy, the famous mathematician/number theorist:

"We have concluded that the trivial mathematics is, on the whole, useful, and that the real mathematics, on the whole, is not." -Hardy, A Mathematician's Apology

I think a lot of what is being referred to ITT as "math" in engineering, falls under the first category- that of trivial mathematics. People mention calculating integrals etc.

lmfao you're a retard. you don't even know what the **** you are talking about.

you think you are cheeky putting integrands and sigmas around your signature?

piss off peasant.

[numberguy12]

lmfao you're a retard. you don't even know what the **** you are talking about.

you think you are cheeky putting integrands and sigmas around your signature?

piss off peasant.

Oh look, some random miscer has an opinion about any of this. The same miscer, btw, that has been exposed over and over again for living out some fantasy life on a bodybuilding forum about being an "engineering student at MIT". Pathetic. Wouldn't be surprised if this dude was barely versed in remedial math at all.

edit: ps. the symbol "∫" is not an integrand. An integrand is the function being integrated. Lack of knowledge of basic math confirmed.

[Wheyvid]

Is this really the standard we are going to use for comparison? Algebra? Like a 7th or 8th grade class?

Lol I was mostly meme'ing my guy. But unfortunately in the objective sense Calc III should be an introductory collegiate math course but the average american student haven't even taken pre-calc in college.


Americans are really behind in terms of Math and Science.

[cncman]

pretty good red pilling in here regarding salaries

engineering sucks in undergrad
industry really widely varies

[fate0311]

Oh look, some random miscer has an opinion about any of this. The same miscer, btw, that has been exposed over and over again for living out some fantasy life on a bodybuilding forum about being an "engineering student at MIT". Pathetic. Wouldn't be surprised if this dude was barely versed in remedial math at all.

edit: ps. the symbol "∫" is not an integrand. An integrand is the function being integrated. Lack of knowledge of basic math confirmed.

did you look that up on google you stupid piece of ****?

[numberguy12]

did you look that up on google you stupid piece of ****?

Imagine desperately needing attention so much, to have to make up a fantasy life about being an engineering student at MIT. Absolutely pathetic.

Again, I would be shocked if this dude has even remedial background in subjects like mathematics. The great thing about claims of proficiency in math is that they can be tested with ease. I see you already demonstrated a lack of understanding of what an integrand is, something that high school students know. Care to, for example, sum the infinite series mentioned above ∑1/k^2 using a double integral? Not hard to come up with a problem that is not easily google-able in mathematics. Talk is cheap. Proving that you can solve elementary problems is not so cheap.

[Trapstar4.4]

i feel like engineers dont get paid nearly as much as people think. well unless youre working in houston or some sht. dat dere oil money

[Wheyvid]

i feel like engineers dont get paid nearly as much as people think. well unless youre working in houston or some sht. dat dere oil money

Go to levels.fyi to see how much software engineers get paid out of college is comparable or might even exceed "dat dere oil money" in petroleum engineering.

[Trapstar4.4]

Go to levels.fyi to see how much software engineers get paid out of college is comparable or might even exceed "dat dere oil money" in petroleum engineering.

actually i should have specified. i meant like mechanical engineers dont get paid as much as people think. the chemE oil guys are in good shape.

software engineers def get paid well. i work in tech on the product side so im def aware.

[Wheyvid]

actually i should have specified. i meant like mechanical engineers dont get paid as much as people think. the chemE oil guys are in good shape.

software engineers def get paid well. i work in tech on the product side so im def aware.

Repped a fellow brother

[alejo2308]

Is this really the standard we are going to use for comparison? Algebra? Like a 7th or 8th grade class?

And yes, calc 3 is still an introductory mathematics course.

There is also a difference between just taking a class like calc 3 to get through it, like I'm sure many engineering and other undergrads etc do....and being a master of it and really understanding it. For example, at the drop of a hat, are they able to determine what ∫e^(-x^2)dx from -∞ to ∞ is using a certain double integral and conversion to polar coordinates? Are they able to determine what the sum of the infinite series ∑(1/k^2), starting from k=1, is, using an appropriate double integral?



Never really understood how someone could consider the bolded "interesting af". Seems to be rather base application. To each his own, if you're interested, that's great. I find stuff like theoretical mathematics to be much more interesting- it is a study of truth in a fundamental sense, and is, in a very good sense, an artform containing much beauty.

One of my fav quotes from G.H. Hardy, the famous mathematician/number theorist:

"We have concluded that the trivial mathematics is, on the whole, useful, and that the real mathematics, on the whole, is not." -Hardy, A Mathematician's Apology

I think a lot of what is being referred to ITT as "math" in engineering, falls under the first category- that of trivial mathematics. People mention calculating integrals etc.

Yeah, no **** you conceited fuk. Pretty much any engineer who's even a bit smart understands that the math we use is pretty simple, but guess what? That's the level of math that's required for you to keep living your life with all the comforts you enjoy. What even is the point of your post? Are you just flexing? Shove that infinite series sum up your angus *******.

edit: also the answer to your infinite sum is (pi^2)/6, the integral is sqrt(pi). I just asked WolframAlpha you imbecile. I could've also done it on MATLAB. That's not high level math either.