Thank you for the reply and the attached Heisman
Yea I'm aware what RDA is bro
Was a random statement basically saying I'm going to continue to eat my current protein amounts and not anything significantly lower be it be RDA minimum or RDA maximum
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Source of protein likely makes some difference as different amino acids can impact GFR to different degrees. There generally seem to be worse impacts from animal protein than vegetable protein, though most people eat considerably more protein from animal sources which makes it harder to tease out all of the differences. In CKD there seems to be a benefit to more plant vs animal but there are several other considerations there (acid/base balance, phosphorus content, others) that aren't relevant to people with healthy kidneys.
Protein powder vs whole meals to my knowledge hasn't been studied (with respect to kidney health). The question there is if an acute rise in blood amino acid levels would be more damaging than a more sustained slower rise, assuming it's damaging at all. It's an interesting question.
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Would be nice if that is so cause as you know most of us eat whole food > whey and most spread their protein out over the day, though as stated, Im keeping my protein as is
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11-26-2019, 07:51 AM #41
To some extent that would probably be helpful as the size of a protein load does have a dose response relationship with acute increase in GFR.
Good question. I still feel comfortable staying at ~0.7g/lb from a health standpoint. My normal intake is above that (though I'm bulking currently); I'm going to take down my protein to 0.8-0.85 g/lb or so (been closer to 1 g/lb just eating foods I like without thinking about it). It's harder for me to go lower without giving up foods I like to eat regularly, lol.
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Same... I pretty much intuitively hit dead on 150g/day and have been for about 15 years... some days maybe as low as 120-130, others sometimes up to 170.... but the average is definitely around the 150 mark.
If I get lower it's because I end up eating out at restaurants more or something and end up filling up on carbs."When I die, I hope it's early in the morning so I don't have to go to work that day for no reason"
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11-26-2019, 06:29 PM #44
Same. Not only is this my preferred way of eating, but I actually find myself actively craving protein if I don't get at least around 120 g or so. I've done "intuitive" eating for years now, and I will find myself needing to have something with protein at the end of the day if I haven't had enough. I've also tried going lower in protein when I was vegan (about 100-130 g per day) and my recovery from workouts noticeably sucked until I upped it. My minimums of pro/carb/fat are pretty hardwired despite me not actively tracking anything, and I can actually "feel" when I haven't had enough. It does feel like I need somewhere around 0.8 grams per lb. I know this sounds crazy but I've heard Eric Helms mention bodybuilders who are similar, who also have a sense of whether they hit their minimums.
When I feel low on protein, I have a very gnawing hunger. Protein being the most satiating macro, I wonder how these findings might impact dietary recs. for the general public. Is the trade-off for potentially-better kidney health worth telling people to keep their protein in-check? It seems to me that, within reason (say 200 g or so), the higher protein the better with regards to helping obese/overweight people stick to their diets.Last edited by Strawng; 11-26-2019 at 06:42 PM.
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I had no idea you were vegan once (or I forgot somehow)... I was vegan 3 years until last spring. Shadow... you truly have outdone yourself ;-)
I echo the feelings of low protein. I liken it to feel a strange ‘sinking’ feeling in my gut which fats or carbs can’t really fill. Sounds nebulous, but in my experience:
Carb = energy and bulk in stomach
Fats = general satiety / satisfaction / mouthfeel
Protein = prolonged meal satisfaction / reduction of hunger pangs / enhanced recovery
I find there is something about the process of chewing whole food protein sources that rounds off a meal... I can’t get that same feeling from just pasta, or just mixed nuts... at least not that lasts very long. I can be hungry in 1-2 hours even from a big yogurt bowl with granola on it if the yogurt isn’t high protein, but give me sweet potato fries, some broccoli with cheddar on top, and a nice salmon fillet, I’m good for several hours.
Only possible exception would be my proats... but then my proats are like 900-1000 calories
I intuitively eat as well, but estimating I would still say I get 140-160 protein on average.. carbs... lol... I dunno, maybe 500-600 on average... they honestly just fill in gaps of energy and a good excuse to get extra micros... plus slamming an extra banana or throwing back a bowl of cereal is really easy.
Been having to purposefully add extra fats cuz I’ve been retaining a lot of water from the carbs... but man it makes training fun.Last edited by AdamWW; 11-26-2019 at 08:31 PM.
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11-29-2019, 08:14 AM #52
The references here may be of interest. Italian article, use Google to translate.
Proteins and kidney damage: long-term studies
(I tried copying more but the forum has glitches).
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No new important updates that I have come across. There is another review just out about protein intake for hypertrophy in general; I intend to read it today and will make a thread about it.
Edit: I was mistaken, the other review is for strength training and is similar to the various ones on hypertrophy showing an "optimal" intake of ~1.5 g/kg when engaging in resistance training, but they likely didn't have very many well-trained individuals and it's not really anything new.Last edited by Heisman2; 10-02-2022 at 03:47 PM.
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