Navy to proceed with disciplining Gallagher, defying Trump

[Bushmaster]

What field of knowledge would impress you, then?

Some basic logic to begin with - minus the faux pseudo intellectual arrogance. Case in point...

This is the problem with our world. People don't know their place. They don't even know the amount of what they don't know. It's dangerous. The fact that you think the fields I described are as trivial as coloring books shows the very real danger. There is an objective difference.

People don't know their place? Boy please.. lol. And it's not that I think the fields you described are trivial - it's your assumption that you and only you are bright enough to comprehend any of it. Newsflash Einstein, you are so not. Some of us have already been there and we realize that alone doesn't make you special. Know why?

Because that's apparently all you have. Some of us have that and have been firmly entrenched in our careers for some time now - long enough to know that you're not special for working out a few math problems.

[Dave22reborn]

it would be tough to follow military orders given by someone who faked bone spurs to dodge a war draft

Clinton's Draft Deferrment

https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996...ns/draft.shtml

[Dave22reborn]

The military followed Clinton's orders and he straight up said Imma sit this one out.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...aftletter.html

Damn, you beat me to it.

[Bushmaster]

Clinton's Draft Deferrment

https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996...ns/draft.shtml

Damn, you beat me to it.

That's different.. Bill was teh awesome when he dodged the draft though!

[wincel]

Some basic logic to begin with - minus the faux pseudo intellectual arrogance. Case in point...



People don't know their place? Boy please.. lol. And it's not that I think the fields you described are trivial - it's your assumption that you and only you are bright enough to comprehend any of it. Newsflash Einstein, you are so not. Some of us have already been there and we realize that alone doesn't make you special. Know why?

Because that's apparently all you have. Some of us have that and have been firmly entrenched in our careers for some time now - long enough to know that you're not special for working out a few math problems.

Misc won't let me post parentheses.

[Bushmaster]

Misc won't let me post parentheses.

I am not impressed with you or anything you post.

Nice try though. But not really.

[wincel]

I am not impressed with you or anything you post.

Nice try though. But not really.

ok but u asked me to show u some stuff on basic logic so I did

[BigDeeps01]

Nobody here is defending their actions. I'm saying we wouldn't be at war with them right now. There are backwards cultures in this world, and there is oppression. It doesn't mean we have to go to war with these people. I'll remind you that war usually kills a lot of innocent people. A lot more women died horribly in the wars than were stoned to death.



All of them? Any ISIS member? Don't you think it would be much easier and more prudent to take the kid aside and reprogram him? It would take only a few months.

Risk to reward ratio is too high. Reward is you re programmed 1 ISIS out of thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds?) and you hope he doesn't get re programmed once he does not assimilate in society. Risk is he stabs you to death in your sleep, blows you up with a suicide bomb, gathers intel and somehow gets it back to ISIS, etc.

[x-trainer ben]

So while you all debate among yourselves who is the intellectual, chew on some facts as of a bit ago, boom!

Trump WON'T stop bid to kick SEAL Eddie Gallagher out of elite unit after Navy secretary and admiral threatened to resign as the soldier says he will release evidence of 'meddling' in his case
The White House reportedly informed the Navy that President Donald Trump would not interfere with the review of Eddie Gallagher's SEAL status on Friday
The green light came the day after Trump tweeted that the Navy 'will NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher's Trident Pin'



Trump's apparent about-face came just as Gallagher appeared on Fox & Friends Sunday morning and praised the president for his continued support

carry on

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nst-Trump.html

[wincel]

Risk to reward ratio is too high. Reward is you re programmed 1 ISIS out of thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds?) and you hope he doesn't get re programmed once he does not assimilate in society. Risk is he stabs you to death in your sleep, blows you up with a suicide bomb, gathers intel and somehow gets it back to ISIS, etc.

But killing them just helps them make more ISIS. I think we should only kill if they are actively killing us. (In our territory, not theirs.)

We don't have to all love eah other. We just have to respect boundaries and coexist.

[wincel]

LOLOLOL.

Is this supposed to be impressive? All you needed to do is pay attention in HIGH SCHOOL (maybe even earlier) to know this.

No. He asked about basic logic, so I showed him something basic. I have known these things since I was 5 I think. If you want me to explain something more complicated, I'd be happy to...

You'd be surprised at how many people do not know those basic things. Many questions on the GMAT, for example, simply amount to knowing the things I mentioned.

[Judgment]

But killing them just helps them make more ISIS. I think we should only kill if they are actively killing us. (In our territory, not theirs.)

We don't have to all love eah other. We just have to respect boundaries and coexist.

So you don't care about genocides and terrorism as a whole, outside of our border? Lives and rights of innocent people don't matter? I'm just making sure I understand you clearly for when you start getting on that high horse supporting socialist policies IN America.

[wincel]

So you don't care about genocides and terrorism as a whole, outside of our border? Lives and rights of innocent people don't matter? I'm just making sure I understand you clearly for when you start getting on that high horse supporting socialist policies IN America.

When we go there we kill more. Unless we are fairly sure we can help and have international support, I think it is a bad idea. Everytime we do it, we end up making things worse. Overall, I favor noninterventionism.

Look at Vietnam. They are doing fine now. We didn't need to be over there. Nothing got better from us being there. Same for Iraq and Afghanistan. You could make a case that Korea is better off because of us, but it's debatable. Probably would have been fine had we not done anything. They'd just be another China right now.

[OPGenesis]

So while you all debate among yourselves who is the intellectual, chew on some facts as of a bit ago, boom!

Trump WON'T stop bid to kick SEAL Eddie Gallagher out of elite unit after Navy secretary and admiral threatened to resign as the soldier says he will release evidence of 'meddling' in his case
The White House reportedly informed the Navy that President Donald Trump would not interfere with the review of Eddie Gallagher's SEAL status on Friday
The green light came the day after Trump tweeted that the Navy 'will NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher's Trident Pin'



Trump's apparent about-face came just as Gallagher appeared on Fox & Friends Sunday morning and praised the president for his continued support

carry on

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nst-Trump.html

Benny with the fake news, as usual.

[x-trainer ben]

Benny with the fake news, as usual.

nope, watch fox news.
You are just not up to date, keep drinking.

[BigDeeps01]

But killing them just helps them make more ISIS. I think we should only kill if they are actively killing us. (In our territory, not theirs.)

We don't have to all love eah other. We just have to respect boundaries and coexist.

I'm down for that I would love for us to pull out of the middle east completely and play defense

[BullittEV]

nope, watch fox news.
You are just not up to date, keep drinking.

Your attitude is hilarious considering some of the absolute autistic chit you've posted. I know if I wrote some of the crap you post I wouldn't have some smug attitude, I'd ask myself why I was consistently believing things that are proven false.

[x-trainer ben]

Your attitude is hilarious considering some of the absolute autistic chit you've posted. I know if I wrote some of the crap you post I wouldn't have some smug attitude, I'd ask myself why I was consistently believing things that are proven false.

Your stalker tendencies is even more amusing given the reputation that you have on here.
Be unique, post something useful and worthwhile and stop licking butts, it is getting fkn old.

We never learn from you,we just wait for your dumb ass, childish insults.
Actually, maybe you have nothing to contribute but insults.
I have been looking at this all wrong, that is all you got!
You actually can't do any better than a women in the service thread.

[dabbmw2002]

Oops, looks like the bureaucrat with stars found out where he sits in the chain of command, and that the President is as per the Constitution- "The Commander in Chief".

[bezarker]

The Secretary of the Navy — whom Trump appointed — just resigned because he refuses to go along with Trump's insane plan to go to bat for war criminals.

[Tamorlane]

The Secretary of the Navy — whom Trump appointed — just resigned because he refuses to go along with Trump's insane plan to go to bat for war criminals.

[OPGenesis]

The Secretary of the Navy — whom Trump appointed — just resigned because he refuses to go along with Trump's insane plan to go to bat for war criminals.

This guy made a career for himself in one of the most evil and unjust institutions in the world, and decides to call it quits over Drumpf.

Just lol @ him.

[dabbmw2002]

The Secretary of the Navy — whom Trump appointed — just resigned because he refuses to go along with Trump's insane plan to go to bat for war criminals.

Gallagher was acquitted on six of seven charges on July 2, 2019; the jury found him guilty of the seventh charge, of "wrongfully pos[ing] for an unofficial picture with a human casualty".[25] That charge carried a maximum prison sentence of four months. Since Gallagher had already served more time in jail than the sentence, he was released.[23]

Unlawful posing is a speeding ticket in a war zone. Is that what makes him a war criminal? He was acquitted of the other charges, or does that not matter?

[anonymous]

sweet, maybe Jim Webb can have his old job back now

[rise21]

The Secretary of the Navy — whom Trump appointed — just resigned because he refuses to go along with Trump's insane plan to go to bat for war criminals.

Nice spin, he was asked to resign aka fired by the SOD.


Good effort though.

[elterrible987]

The Secretary of the Navy — whom Trump appointed — just resigned because he refuses to go along with Trump's insane plan to go to bat for war criminals.

That is not at all what the news articles are saying. They are saying SECDEF fired him because he talked directly to the white house and planned to support Trump's plan. Exact opposite of what you are saying.

[Tamorlane]

That is not at all what the news articles are saying. They are saying SECDEF fired him because he talked directly to the white house and planned to support Trump's plan. Exact opposite of what you are saying.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/24/polit...cer/index.html

The agreement that led to Defense Secretary Mark Esper forcing Navy Secretary Richard Spencer's resignation involved the case of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher. The official said Spencer had proposed to the White House a review with a secret guarantee that Gallagher would be allowed to keep his status as a SEAL. That would go counter to the ongoing review underway by the Navy to take away Gallagher's status.

Gallagher was earlier convicted of bringing discredit to the armed services after posing next to a dead ISIS fighter's body, which is against regulations. He was then demoted in rank -- a decision President Donald Trump a week ago reversed in a move that went against earlier guidance from Esper and angered military officials. Military officials then moved ahead with the process to review Gallagher's status in the elite group.

Esper decided Gallagher would now keep his status because he "has little confidence that Gallagher would get a fair shake now from the Navy," the official told CNN. Gallagher is now expected to retire from the Navy on November 30.

Spencer, the official said, was not "fired" for failing to carry out Trump's wishes, because the President had not wanted a review at all.

Spencer went around his own chain of command -- namely Defense Secretary Mark Esper -- and straight to the White House, a violation of military policy, the official said.

Esper on Sunday asked for Spencer's resignation after "losing trust" and "confidence in him," according to a statement released by Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman. Spencer's private request to restore Gallagher's rank and allow him to retire with his Trident pin directly contradicted his public position, according to the statement.

"I am deeply troubled by this conduct shown by a senior DOD official," Esper said in the statement. "Unfortunately, as a result I have determined that Secretary Spencer no longer has my confidence to continue in his position. I wish Richard well."

[FoxMcCocks]

Under the title of the article.

"Top military officials threatened to resign or be fired if their plans to remove Chief Gallagher from the SEALs were halted by President Trump, administration officials said."

And then under it.

"At a security forum in Halifax, Nova Scotia, the Navy secretary, Richard V. Spencer, denied that he had threatened to step down. “Contrary to popular belief, I am still here,” he said. “I did not threaten to resign. But let us just say we are here to talk about external threats, and Eddie Gallagher is not one of them.”

AHAHAHA jesus you fuking people are stupid.

And just one day later, Spencer is out.

But we’re the stupid ones right? Fuking lmao

[BadMonkeyFunker]

anything trump puts his little fingers in ... he turns it into a fukery like never seen before folks...

[Bushmaster]

ok but u asked me to show u some stuff on basic logic so I did

How about some basic logic in this spew you call your forum posts?

You're sorely lacking there - which was the whole point I was trying to get across to your simple little brain in the first place.