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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    What about my idea of a preliminary report and post review report?
    Nope, what we're doing now works just fine.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Let me guess, you're against the police using POD cameras as well, the ones on corners. You're also against the shot spotters as well. Just wait till we get facial recognition technology, you'll really be bitching then.
    Honestly, yeah. I don't like the direction technology is taking towards being used against people.
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    I have lived in Chicago (not anymore) and anyone who has to patrol some of the neighborhoods like in this link...Jesus H. Christ, my heart goes out to you. The Austin Ward on the far west side is a little slice of Hell especially.

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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Nope, we need more of them actually. Hell, we have them around the station, and in our lockups. Hell, I have mine on when I'm searching my offender in the search room, so if I find something, it will ALLLLLLLLL be on that evil camera, and they can't accuse me of planting it on them.
    I don't really disagree with you other than the footage should be highly protected and used carefully.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    What abuse? And what we're already doing is fair. Just not fair to the pieces of **** that are guilty. It's not fair to the defense attorneys.

    Once again, with a foot chase for example, it will record them tossing the gun. That way, when you catch him, you can watch the footage, and write down the exact address where he tossed it, and with which hand. Instead of just guessing.
    Doesn't that leave open the possibility as I described before?

    You know what? Whatever. I don't even give a chit. I'm just happy there are cameras at all. It's a lot better than the alternative.

    Also, you guys don't use facial recognition? I assumed you guys would be using it by now. They should put facial recognition chit analyzing all traffic cams and have it auto review the database of all bodycam footage. Probably could easily find outstanding warrants and stuff that way. It's hardly an invasion of any kind of privacy since the CIA already does that chit anyway.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Doesn't that leave open the possibility as I described before?

    You know what? Whatever. I don't even give a chit. I'm just happy there are cameras at all. It's a lot better than the alternative.
    Yeah, how dare I review my camera before I write a report, so much abuse.....

    Like when I on-view a fight, you want me to write a preliminary report, and then waste more time writing another one after I see the footage? Are you trying to increase over-time?
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    Honestly, yeah. I don't like the direction technology is taking towards being used against people.
    That sucks, better adapt, because it's not going backwards.
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    Originally Posted by Streetbull View Post
    I have lived in Chicago (not anymore) and anyone who has to patrol some of the neighborhoods like in this link...Jesus H. Christ, my heart goes out to you. The Austin Ward on the far west side is a little slice of Hell especially.

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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Yeah, how dare I review my camera before I write a report, so much abuse.....

    Like when I on-view a fight, you want me to write a preliminary report, and then waste more time writing another one after I see the footage? Are you trying to increase over-time?
    No I meant if a dude decides to doctor his story to be consistent with what was on cam while using it to cover for his bad action. I already conceded, you miserable son of a bitch. I don't even want to argue about it anymore. I'm just glad there is a camera.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    That sucks, better adapt, because it's not going backwards.
    I'm not worried about it that much. I'm a farm boy who got a decent job in the city and moved to the suburbs. All I really have to worry about is randomly getting caught in the crossfire of someone elses bullchit.

    And I hope you or others don't take any disagreements we might have about particulars as any slam on you related to your job. I don't know why you would be a cop but I'm glad there are people like you willing to clean up after chitty humans, you miserable son of a bitch.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    No I meant if a dude decides to doctor his story to be consistent with what was on cam while using it to cover for his bad action. I already conceded, you miserable son of a bitch. I don't even want to argue about it anymore. I'm just glad there is a camera.
    If it's a bad action, then the camera will prove it.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    If it's a bad action, then the camera will prove it.
    Not always. I gave you a counterexample situation, which you keep ignoring.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    One, a body-worn camera is an inanimate object. It is incapable of thinking, feeling or using logic or common sense to make decisions. Thus, it is incapable of threatening anything at all, much less, something as specific as a violating a person’s civil rights.
    The left isn't a big fan of things that can only tell the truth, no matter what that truth is. The truth is a hate crime.

    "Body cams will allow officers to more correctly fill out incident reports, which is of course racist."
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Not always. I gave you a counterexample situation, which you keep ignoring.
    Your solution is for me to go to the station, do a bull**** "preliminary" report, and then look at my camera, and do another one? Or I can do what is working for us.
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    Originally Posted by nosirrahx View Post
    The left isn't a big fan of things that can only tell the truth, no matter what that truth is. The truth is a hate crime.

    "Body cams will allow officers to more correctly fill out incident reports, which is of course racist."
    Exactly, when I heard that we were getting them, I was excited, because it would show how guilty people really are. The camera will show you pulling that handgun from under the car seat, or from their right coat pocket.

    Hell, when someone has money, I'll have them count it themselves, while I'm recording them, and they'll say what they have out loud. That way, they can't accuse you of taking their money.

    Bottom line, leftists hate that the cameras are working in our favor. So they have to find ways to bash them, no matter how bat**** insane it makes them look.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Your solution is for me to go to the station, do a bull**** "preliminary" report, and then look at my camera, and do another one? Or I can do what is working for us.
    I told you do whatever. Can't you read?
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    I told you do whatever. Can't you read?
    Which we're already doing, and it's working out just fine for us.
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    Really? You saw it with your own eyes just a few minutes ago, da fuq you need to watch the video for? Police work used to mean something.
    It did used to mean something. And then every Tom, Dick, and Jamal suddenly realized their word had more power than the cops word.

    "I didnt run the stop sign!!"

    So now weve forced cops to wear body cams for "transparency" and shocker, 99.9% of the time the cop is still right. I dont see the issue with cops reviewing their cam footage to put their reports together.
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    Finally read the OP's link, which is just a poorly written one-sided rant posted on some blog.

    The article that led to the rant has a point. There is a balance that should be thoughtfully struck between video used as oversight of law enforcement, video to be used as evidence in a court of law, and video as a tool for law enforcement.
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    Actually, I fully support this. I also fully support the notion that any note-taking during court, or any other time one would take notes to more accurately record speeches or an event, should not be able to be reviewed, otherwise the note-taker may be able to more accurately recount events and twist them into a more favorable narrative of the event.

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    I dont see the issue with cops reviewing their cam footage to put their reports together.
    Other people do see an issue.

    And traffic violations are a chitty example, don't need video to write tickets.
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    Other people do see an issue.

    And traffic violations are a chitty example, don't need video to write tickets.
    Other people are wrong. Glad we got past that.
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    Originally Posted by BearyManilowe View Post
    Other people are wrong. Glad we got past that.
    You're right.

    Other people are wrong.

    Fascinating.
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    Finally read the OP's link, which is just a poorly written one-sided rant posted on some blog.

    The article that led to the rant has a point. There is a balance that should be thoughtfully struck between video used as oversight of law enforcement, video to be used as evidence in a court of law, and video as a tool for law enforcement.
    The balance seems to working just fine. Just not in favor of guilty people. It's kind of defeating the narrative that cops are a bunch of Goose stepping nazi's framing people, and shooting down unarmed black folks....
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    Other people do see an issue.

    And traffic violations are a chitty example, don't need video to write tickets.
    People like you, not people with common sense. And yeah, you do need the video to write tickets. Don't want to perjure yourself in court.

    Same with body cams, if I can't remember how many times I struck someone with a closed fist, I'll watch the footage so the report is accurate.
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    Originally Posted by Smegmalion View Post
    Actually, I fully support this. I also fully support the notion that any note-taking during court, or any other time one would take notes to more accurately record speeches or an event, should not be able to be reviewed, otherwise the note-taker may be able to more accurately recount events and twist them into a more favorable narrative of the event.

    If you're against police reviewing bodycams, you surely cannot be against this.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    The balance seems to working just fine. Just not in favor of guilty people. It's kind of defeating the narrative that cops are a bunch of Goose stepping nazi's framing people, and shooting down unarmed black folks....
    The volume of that narrative is exaggerated and should be mostly ignored. It also has nothing to do with placing controls on evidence that is used by our judicial system, which presumes innocence until convicted.
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    The volume of that narrative is exaggerated and should be mostly ignored. It also has nothing to do with placing controls on evidence that is used by our judicial system, which presumes innocence until convicted.
    You're narrative is exaggerated and should be mostly ignored. And your post does not say anything, but you already know that and consciously chose to say nothing. It's gibberish. I'm guessing you're drunk, and no shame in that.
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    The volume of that narrative is exaggerated and should be mostly ignored. It also has nothing to do with placing controls on evidence that is used by our judicial system, which presumes innocence until convicted.
    Its quite simple, you leftists can't stand that these cameras are working in our favor. You thought the opposite was going to happen.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    A cop shouldn't be able to see his own bodycam footage imo. That would allow him to doctor his story to seem to be consistent with footage but favor him. He should provide the report as honestly as he can, and the footage should be reviewed later to see if he was full of chit.
    You moron. discrepancies between the officer's written report and the body cam footage would be used by the defense and likely get charges dropped. It is impossible to remember what happened at a scene with 100% accuracy. During a tense situation your brain naturally filters out what it determines to be unimportant information and focuses on what it deems to be immediately important. I've been in the middle of doing water supply calculations at a fire and missed entire radio transmissions while the radio was right next to my ear. I had no memory of them and only knew I had missed them when the chief came over and chewed me out.
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