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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post

    Here's what's happening, defense attorneys are losing cases left and right, because the body-cams are proving that their ****bird clients are in fact guilty.
    As any normal person would expect. Only in liberal la la land are the police evil monsters terrorizing innocent citizens.
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    Lmao the cucks are just mad cause they thought this would reveal police brutality and it backfired because the majority of the incidents show that the cops are actually justified.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    Lets face it, no one needs to address your point because no one takes you seriously. You are one of the worst posters here and I don't understand why you aren't perm banned for all your alt accounts.
    Imagine his logic though. Something big happened, and I'm supposed to go to the station, and write a report on what I thought happened, same with my partner. Then when that's all done, which could take hours, I'll be allowed to finally look at my camera footage, and then type up what actually happened on another report?

    Sounds like a defense attorney's wet dream. "Officer, why did you say you did this, when the camera proves that you did this instead?"
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    Originally Posted by monty097 View Post
    Lmao the cucks are just mad cause they thought this would reveal police brutality and it backfired because the majority of the incidents show that the cops are actually justified.
    Funny thing is, we've only had them for like 2-3 years now, and they're already changing their tune?

    And it's not like they're going away.

    Things are going to get more advanced. Can't wait till shot spotter allows the POD camera to zoom in on the shooter, and facial recognition technology identifies the offender.

    Hell, we even have plate reader cars that tell us which cars are stolen, Nd whether or not the driver is suspended/revoked.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    That literally makes no sense. POD cameras, body cams, shot spotter, in car cameras, etc, make my job easier. Should we get rid of all the above?

    Should we get rid of the I-Clear system as well, so I can't look up whether or not someone's been arrested?

    Hell, majority of my reports are on the computer, I guess we should go back to hand-written reports, we don't want my job to be easy now....
    What? Literally none of that is included in the premise of your OP.

    Feels weird to try to explain your own thread to you...

    The idea is that there is a danger in letting officers write a report based off video instead of their perception of events as they occurred that led to the decisions that were made. Police departments often use this same concept to defend themselves from the public jumping to conclusions based solely off of a video that "doesn't tell the whole story".
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    What? Literally none of that is included in the premise of your OP.

    Feels weird to try to explain your own thread to you...

    The idea is that there is a danger in letting officers write a report based off video instead of their perception of events as they occurred that led to the decisions that were made. Police departments often use this same concept to defend themselves from the public jumping to conclusions based solely off of a video that "doesn't tell the whole story".
    So you're pretty much saying it isn't fair for us to look at our camera, and our back up's cameras, before typing up our report because of feelz?

    That for some asinine reason, we shouldn't be allowed to look at our body-cam period?
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    I don't get the outrage.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    So you're pretty much saying it isn't fair for us to look at our camera, and our back up's cameras, before typing up our report because of feelz?

    That for some asinine reason, we shouldn't be allowed to look at our body-cam period?
    Nope. I'm not saying it isn't "fair".

    You don't make decisions during an event based on video of the event. You make decisions based on what you see and hear, and the argument is that your report should be based on the same.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Police Body Cameras Can Threaten Civil Rights of Black and Brown People, New Report Says

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...-violate-them/

    “Unrestricted footage review places civil rights at risk and undermines the goals of transparency and accountability. Because an officer’s memory of an event may be altered by watching body camera footage, doing so will likely alter what officers write in their reports.
    That, in turn, can make it more difficult for investigators or courts to assess whether the officer’s actions were reasonable based on what he or she perceived at the time of the incident.”

    “…Without carefully crafted policy safeguards in place, there is a real risk that body-worn cameras could be used in ways that threaten civil and constitutional rights and intensify the disproportionate surveillance of communities of color.”
    So are body cams only useful now if it shows only the cop doing something wrong?
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    They are saying that allowing officers to review them before making their report allows those officers to tailor their report to the camera. Anyone with common sense can understand that this is a valid point. You can argue that it wont happen that often or w.e. but come on.



    so blinded by being on a side and partisanship you can't take a point without blinders on.
    Is the cam used to "tailor" their report or verify/confirm their report?
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    Originally Posted by Fishman15 View Post
    Is the cam used to "tailor" their report or verify/confirm their report?
    Yes.
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    Really? You saw it with your own eyes just a few minutes ago, da fuq you need to watch the video for? Police work used to mean something.
    You really are out of touch in real life aren't you? Sad...
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    Originally Posted by Fishman15 View Post
    You really are out of touch in real life aren't you? Sad...
    Yawn.
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    Yawn.
    No, you really are out of touch.

    It's obvious you've never been in an intense situation let alone afterwards have to recall every detail.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    No, you really are out of touch.

    It's obvious you've never been in an intense situation let alone afterwards have to recall every detail.
    It's even more obvious you didn't bother to read the thread before getting upset and posting some retarded chit.

    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    The powers that be have to be reasonable though and not nitpick differences between the video and a human's recollection of events.
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    It's even more obvious you didn't bother to read the thread before getting upset and posting some retarded chit.
    Now you're backtracking, and just refusing to admit that you're wrong.
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    Honestly sounds like a lawyer gotcha. The "You wrote in your report that you drew your firearm and instructed the suspect to lay down with his hands behind his head, however, the body cam footage actually shows you instructing the client to lay down with his hands behind his back, therefore my client is innocent" sorta bull****.

    But hey, process crimes and violations are all the rage these days.
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    I guess that bodycams join milk, time, math and emojis on the list of racist constructs and manifestations of white supremacy.
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    Originally Posted by gwem32170191 View Post
    Honestly sounds like a lawyer gotcha. The "You wrote in your report that you drew your firearm and instructed the suspect to lay down with his hands behind his head, however, the body cam footage actually shows you instructing the client to lay down with his hands behind his back, therefore my client is innocent" sorta bull****.

    But hey, process crimes and violations are all the rage these days.
    That's what it's all coming down to. Defense lawyers are losing cases left and right. And certain "leaders" can't rant about the police as much, when it shows them in the right.

    Imagine if that cop had a bodybcam in Ferguson.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    I don't get the outrage. Its not even worth writing a counter article to. Its a valid point. Even if you think officers won't change their testimony based on the video (cops don't lie, right?) Its still prudent to get both separately without either having undue influence on the other. Its simply prudent. If the cop is going to watch the video and then write his report, then you might as well use the video as the report. Assuming these are cases where a video is necessary. i.e. significant issues like shots fired etc. If its to get the right details from a minor interaction then its probably not as important.

    you can disagree, but acting as if its some us vs them thing is stupid.

    you know, reading the article they are responding to makes me realize just how unreasonable some people can be. They made a very good point and you're just dismissing it because you think they are liberals. or maybe its the title that triggered you. I don't actually see where the article refers to black and brown tho I mainly skimmed. The report doesn't seem to focus on race either.

    https://www.newsweek.com/police-body...inority-711584

    https://www.upturn.org/reports/2017/...n-of-accuracy/

    seems more generally about civil rights.
    Yes. Feelings don't matter, hard logic does. There's no harder logic than raw video.
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    Name calling again. You sure are triggered that the cameras are backfiring on you
    I even said idc about this issue. You really don't get it.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    I even said idc about this issue. You really don't get it.
    Gotcha. You don't care about the issue so much as hoping cops lives are miserable.
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    I’m 100% in favour of bodycams and I’m indifferent to which ‘side’ the facts favour. The reality is, if cams catch criminal behaviour, they catch it whether the perp is the cop or the civilian, either way its good. My only concern is that cops cant change the recorded details, other than that its all fine.
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    They are saying that allowing officers to review them before making their report allows those officers to tailor their report to the camera. Anyone with common sense can understand that this is a valid point. You can argue that it wont happen that often or w.e. but come on.
    Accurate police reports...the horror!
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    so it only affects black people for some reason?
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    I don't get the outrage. Its not even worth writing a counter article to. Its a valid point. Even if you think officers won't change their testimony based on the video (cops don't lie, right?) Its still prudent to get both separately without either having undue influence on the other. Its simply prudent. If the cop is going to watch the video and then write his report, then you might as well use the video as the report. Assuming these are cases where a video is necessary. i.e. significant issues like shots fired etc. If its to get the right details from a minor interaction then its probably not as important.

    you can disagree, but acting as if its some us vs them thing is stupid.

    you know, reading the article they are responding to makes me realize just how unreasonable some people can be. They made a very good point and you're just dismissing it because you think they are liberals. or maybe its the title that triggered you. I don't actually see where the article refers to black and brown tho I mainly skimmed. The report doesn't seem to focus on race either.

    https://www.newsweek.com/police-body...inority-711584

    https://www.upturn.org/reports/2017/...n-of-accuracy/

    seems more generally about civil rights.
    But you have no problem with Schiff "refreshing" the witness's "memory" while testifying...
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Police Body Cameras Can Threaten Civil Rights of Black and Brown People, New Report Says

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...-violate-them/

    “Unrestricted footage review places civil rights at risk and undermines the goals of transparency and accountability. Because an officer’s memory of an event may be altered by watching body camera footage, doing so will likely alter what officers write in their reports.
    That, in turn, can make it more difficult for investigators or courts to assess whether the officer’s actions were reasonable based on what he or she perceived at the time of the incident.”

    “…Without carefully crafted policy safeguards in place, there is a real risk that body-worn cameras could be used in ways that threaten civil and constitutional rights and intensify the disproportionate surveillance of communities of color.”
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    If I could, I would download my body-cam to Youtube, and then the whole world could see how ****ed up certain people are. Imagine if your mother was involved in a domestic, or a DUI, and we could download the video to Youtube, and show the world what she's like.
    Would love to see this.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    I don't get the outrage. Its not even worth writing a counter article to. Its a valid point. Even if you think officers won't change their testimony based on the video (cops don't lie, right?)
    No... the fuking camera doesn't lie.

    So if a cop says "I thought XYZ," but the camera showed something completely different, why would you not want him to change his testimony? Remember now.. the camera doesn't lie, and the testimony he's changing could very well keep someone from being falsely accused of a crime.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    They are saying that allowing officers to review them before making their report allows those officers to tailor their report to the camera. Anyone with common sense can understand that this is a valid point. You can argue that it wont happen that often or w.e. but come on.
    The camera doesn't lie. Let that sink in to your tiny little brain ffs... The camera doesn't lie.

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