The push for vegan and vegetarian diets?

[sandaltan]

it actually is as i alluded to in my second part of my first post, but not in the way youre thinking here

god damn i wish youd explain this instead of coyly alluding to it

[davik]

god damn i wish youd explain this instead of coyly alluding to it

nice try, but its literally written down which isnt being coy.

[z4v4]

why are you a vegan?

Because I felt like a hypocrite being vegetarian, so I switched to vegan. Why are you not a vegan?

[davik]

Because I felt like a hypocrite being vegetarian, so I switched to vegan. Why are you not a vegan?

because we just went over it.

why you feel hypocrite for ? whats the basis of that

[z4v4]

because we just went over it.

why you feel hypocrite for ? whats the basis of that

You're not a vegan because of the multi-level translation of a book that's 3000 years old?

[davik]

You're not a vegan because of the multi-level translation of a book that's 3000 years old?

translations and age dont make something false. by your logic your world history has to stop until 400 years ago. back to my question why do you feel hypocritical.

and also why is vegan the only other option lol. you just said you were vegetarian.

[sandaltan]

nice try, but its literally written down which isnt being coy.

but the second part of your first post is just incoherent babbling

[z4v4]

translations and age dont make something false. by your logic your world history has to stop until 400 years ago. back to my question why do you feel hypocritical.

and also why is vegan the only other option lol. you just said you were vegetarian.

Well, think if you had to transcribe an eternal life-salvation document into another language... would you hire the likes of someone like Jobs to run Apple, or someone like Trump to run a casino in Atlantic City in the 90's? Maybe a Trump got the gig? You think everyone is a Jobs at their job?

As for your other question, in regards to hypocrites:

Vegetarian > Meat Eater > Vegan

[davik]

Well, think if you had to transcribe an eternal life-salvation document into another language... would you hire the likes of someone like Jobs to run Apple, or someone like Trump to run a casino in Atlantic City in the 90's? You think everyone is a Jobs at their job?

As for your other question, in regards to hypocrites:

Vegetarian > Meat Eater > Vegan

its here though? so they were highly effective. like youve got it right in front of you and so you cant use that argument since you refute yourself. just to add: whats with the modern hatred of people from before lol? they were all retards right and youve got the answers? im highly impressed by transcribers that we even have the documents we have and look at you. youre minds been corrupted by the media man

and lets focus on this question: youre not saying why. i asked the basis and you avoided the question again by not giving the basis. ill ask again:""""whats your basis for being a hypocrite before? """

there a few talking marks too so you dont miss it

[andy0w]

Why do you think there is such a mainstream push for these sorts of diets?
Is it an effort to dumb down the population?

Multi-level, multi-pronged approach

Animal rights
Climate
Feed shortage
Usage of GMO
usage of hormones and AB in meat production
Overfishing
Rainforest destruction

[DumpsterFire]

I eat minimal meat because it's better for my health. Chicken and egg when I can, rarely any other meat enters my body unless a special occasion.

The health benefits of plants are overwhelming.

Chicken is better than tofu in my opinion.

Eggs arent a meat you fukkin meatball

[scheal]

Haha, my fellow vegan (whole-food plant-based) friend. You're about to get tarred and feathered blindly by your Trumper buddies, lmao. Sucks to be on the same side as me, eh?

Merely asking for proof for his claim

I push my diet onto nobody except those that ask. Works for me and my family.

[rhadam]

It had more science to back up their claims than you brought forth to back up your claim that their claims are wrong.

(INB4 links to dated "muh need muh 1g protein per pound bodyweight" bro science proof)

Here ya go. I'll start with an article that i've sent to friends who don't have the dietetic background I do. Surprisingly this is well written and fact-based.
https://www.menshealth.com/nutrition...ie-fact-check/

Next, this is a podcast a buddy linked which pretty thoroughly dismantles the "documentary."
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/podcast-episode-24/

Lastly, i'll leave you with a comprehensive analysis from Lane Norton which completely ethers the nonsense presented by Game Changers.
https://www.biolayne.com/articles/re...ific-analysis/

I know you kinda thought you had me here, but unfortunately this is actually my field of study, years of work, and ongoing education. Good day.

[RamataKahn]

they are though. its true. youre just ignorant apparently

this is an argument

You cannot get fat soluble-vitamins from plant food.

Most plants have anti-nutrients in them, making them mostly indigestible.

[z4v4]

its here though? so they were highly effective. like youve got it right in front of you and so you cant use that argument since you refute yourself. just to add: whats with the modern hatred of people from before lol? they were all retards right and youve got the answers? im highly impressed by transcribers that we even have the documents we have and look at you. youre minds been corrupted by the media man

and lets focus on this question: youre not saying why. i asked the basis and you avoided the question again by not giving the basis. ill ask again:""""whats your basis for being a hypocrite before? """

there a few talking marks too so you dont miss it

Wat? The Bible is here so therefore its contents are true? Do you ascribe the same to other religious texts, such as The Quran, The Tipitaka, The Agamas, The Seven Valleys and The Four Valleys, The Kojiki, just to name a few? Why are those texts wrong and The Bible is correct?

Also, do you not think that as a species we've grown to be more informed in general, especially in the sciences? You think Homo erectus could explain hurricanes using scientific measures or maybe thought it was some divine intervention?

Chit, just the other week I was at a photo shoot and people were outside talking about a UFO. One of the cameramen brought out his telephoto lens, and it turned out to just be a weather balloon 20 miles in the sky.

If this were 1920, everyone would be going home telling their family about the spaceship they saw. If this were 1920, you'd also still think smoking cigarettes is not dangerous to your health.

Why does the concept of evolution in thought apply to everything except for Biblical authors? I mean, I ain't trying to test your faith, but you'll need a little better talking points if you expect me to subscribe to the same.

As for vegetarian/vegan, yes, an ethical vegetarian is a hypocrite because animals farmed for dairy and egg are in many cases treated more inhumanely than animals farmed for meat.

[z4v4]

You cannot get fat soluble-vitamins from plant food.

Most plants have anti-nutrients in them, making them mostly indigestible.

Where do you think cows get such rich sources of B12?

[knightofday]

Fuk me

https://www.beyondmeat.com/about/our-ingredients/

brb buying a meat substitute and using potato starch and methylcellulose to bind it

What a fuking joke

I'm happy for all the *******s out there to eat plant based 'meat', means more beef and pork for me

lab grown meat sounds fukkin disgusting.

Amen. Idgaf how cheap it is or realistic they claim it to be, I dont want that chit in my body. Ill stick to the real thing, them pushing fake meat soo hard is suspicious as fukk considering everything they push is for nefarious reasons to weaken us.

[isingmodel]

Amen. Idgaf how cheap it is or realistic they claim it to be, I dont want that chit in my body. Ill stick to the real thing, them pushing fake meat soo hard is suspicious as fukk considering everything they push is for nefarious reasons to weaken us.

Muscle fibres and adipose tissue are equally real whether they come from an animal directly or are grown in a lab. You sound like quite an unintelligent person.

[Nelly87]

Where do you think cows get such rich sources of B12?

i didn't realize humans had the same digestive system as cows.

cot dayum i learn sumthin new erryday

[snailsrus]

I eat meat, and will continue to do so because I firmly believe humans are supposed to. I have a decent household budget so I have the luxury of buying more humanly raised meat mostly.

However, I firmly believe that in the nearish future we will be able to grow meat in factories (without the animal attached to it) and after a number of decades of that being cheaper and more delicious than slaughtering an animal our descendants will look at factory farms with the same kind of eyes as we do to slavery today (well, probably not everyone on this board ;p).

ive been vegetarian for 20 years but I did 4h and at 8 was fed my goat..... other people just think it’s cool imo

[RamataKahn]

Where do you think cows get such rich sources of B12?

Humans cannot get fat soluble-vitamins from plant food.

Most plants have anti-nutrients in them, making them mostly indigestible.

[z4v4]

Here ya go. I'll start with an article that i've sent to friends who don't have the dietetic background I do. Surprisingly this is well written and fact-based.
https://www.menshealth.com/nutrition...ie-fact-check/

Next, this is a podcast a buddy linked which pretty thoroughly dismantles the "documentary."
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/podcast-episode-24/

Lastly, i'll leave you with a comprehensive analysis from Lane Norton which completely ethers the nonsense presented by Game Changers.
https://www.biolayne.com/articles/re...ific-analysis/

I know you kinda thought you had me here, but unfortunately this is actually my field of study, years of work, and ongoing education. Good day.

So you're a full time cop, full time correctional officer, full time grad student, and you still find the time to pick up the hottest chicks at the bar every night and post in the misc? You're Superman.

Even your own source (Men's Health) says that eating 1 hot dog daily will increase the chances of colon cancer. Their beef is that the movie said it was 17% and one guy claims it's not that high but it is an increase, facepalm.jpg.

Then they admit HCA's cause cancer, but if you marinate your meat in vinegar and eat your meat with fruit and vegetables, you can reduce your risk of HCA's? Heh, how about skipping the meat altogether? Like, I ain't gonna tell you that you should bang chicks with HIV because a condom will significantly reduce your risk of contracting HIV.

And lol @ saying all the top vegan athletes in the movie are just anecdotes and being sleazy by suggesting the movie was trying to imply that plants are superior for athletic performance. No, the movie was debunking the bs lie you've been told your whole life that animal protein is mandatory for gaining muscle.

I lol @ the industry scattering like cockroaches when the lights come on. That Men's Health article was a joke. This sums it up pretty well, "While it would be easy to blame Men’s Health for publishing an article as scientifically inaccurate as its review of The Game Changers, I believe the fault ultimately lies with the animal foods industry, which spends billions a year (including taxpayer dollars) to reassure us that their products are not only safe, but a necessary part of a healthy diet."

Will read the Norton one later, though, thanks for the links. I'm sure that will be much better, but he's been indoctrinated by the system, too, so...

[z4v4]

Humans cannot get fat soluble-vitamins from plant food.

Most plants have anti-nutrients in them, making them mostly indigestible.

False, son.

[z4v4]

i didn't realize humans had the same digestive system as cows.

cot dayum i learn sumthin new erryday

You'd have a point if humans couldn't get B12 from the same source as cows do.

[Nelly87]

You'd have a point if humans couldn't get B12 from the same source as cows do.

you cherry picked one vitamin....

i see where this discussion between us will go.

Only thing I will say is idgaf what your diet is, I do me and you do you.

If you want to know my opinion, I think a diet where both plants and animals are consumed is best.

[sandaltan]

You cannot get fat soluble-vitamins from plant food.

Most plants have anti-nutrients in them, making them mostly indigestible.

fat-soluble vitamin listen (… SOL-yoo-bul VY-tuh-min)
A vitamin that can dissolve in fats and oils. Fat-soluble vitamins are absorbed along with fats in the diet and can be stored in the body’s fatty tissue. They come from plant and animal foods or dietary supplements. Vitamins A, D, E, and K are fat-soluble.

youre so dumb

[Qong]

I think that folks have their hearts in a good place with vegetarianism/veganism but let's be real, animals still die from farming plants too. Death is inevitable when it comes to farming anything. You're going to be killing all sorts of small animals that live in the fields before, during, and after harvesting the crop. That's just reality. Oh and bugs too of course:

The topic of bugs is something that I always bring up with vegetarians/vegans. Why is the life of a bug less important than the life of some other animal? It's ridiculous and hypocritical.

Quick story:

If anyone spends time around Lake Erie you likely know about the mayflies. They get everywhere. Literally everywhere. People happily kill them and complain about them. Of course it's argued that they're an annoyance but is that really the standard that vegetarians and vegans use? If it annoys them it's okay to kill it? The hypocrisy is ridiculous when you see people crying over fuzzy little animals and cute looking cows, boohoo, so sad.

Now don't get me wrong, I think that you should do whatever floats your boat. Don't want to eat meat? Don't. Want to kill bugs? Do it. Want to kill the countless animals that are killed during harvests? Cool. But don't cry about one and not the other. Where is your integrity?

[Nelly87]

fat-soluble vitamin listen (… SOL-yoo-bul VY-tuh-min)
A vitamin that can dissolve in fats and oils. Fat-soluble vitamins are absorbed along with fats in the diet and can be stored in the body’s fatty tissue. They come from plant and animal foods or dietary supplements. Vitamins A, D, E, and K are fat-soluble.

youre so dumb

Fat-soluble vitamins will not dissolve in water. Instead, fat-soluble vitamins absorb best when taken with higher-fat foods.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art....php#vitamin-a

I don't know any higher-fat plants? Don't get me wrong you can overeat to get to that part which is why some animal based diets do better than others at different functions. You can argue from a morality perspective, sure. Fact is, animal based high-fat does it better.

[Techriding101]

Multiple generations raised by single mothers will eventually lead to the end of western society as we know it.

They will vote to have the government play 'daddy', since that is the only provider they have ever known.

0-18, government sends checks to whore mother to take care of kids

18-22 takes out a huge government backed loan to go to school for a worthless degree

22+ expects the government to continue to take care of them

[RamataKahn]

fat-soluble vitamin listen (… SOL-yoo-bul VY-tuh-min)
A vitamin that can dissolve in fats and oils. Fat-soluble vitamins are absorbed along with fats in the diet and can be stored in the body’s fatty tissue. They come from plant and animal foods or dietary supplements. Vitamins A, D, E, and K are fat-soluble.

youre so dumb

Fat-soluble is they key word here you aren't getting.