Is it a "dangerous position" to let elections decide if Trump is president again

[cashinout]

This is a quote from Nancy Pelosi, who thinks it is

“The weak response to these hearings has been, ‘Let the election decide,’” Pelosi added. “That dangerous position only adds to the urgency of our action, because the President is jeopardizing the integrity of the 2020 elections.”

Your thoughts? Is this democracy?

[OPGenesis]

She doesn't make any sense.

[cashinout]

She doesn't make any sense.

I think it's pretty clear

she doesn't think the voters should get to decide

[Tamorlane]

Yes, if the person is corrupt and being exploited by a foreign government but still has the support of one of the major parties who are complicit. A minority group hold power through an outdated and gerrymandered electoral system against the interests of the nation can lead to a dangerous position.

Elections can be manipulated, such as the recent one and the close one between Gore and Junior. I'm sure most are. The one thing the establishment never want is for the cattle to lose faith in the integrity of the elections.

It would be nice if Trump was removed, but there's too much corruption going on that at this point they are a danger to America itself. Swamp needs a good draining and safeguards put in place for politics in America in the 21st century.

[OPGenesis]

I think it's pretty clear

she doesn't think the voters should get to decide

The president doesn't wield a lot of power, so I could care less about what that drunk rambles about, in regards to "elections".

When the presidents cabinet ceases to be filled with people from Goldman Sachs and Raytheon then I'll start paying attention.

[OPGenesis]

Yes, if the person is corrupt and being exploited by a foreign government but still has the support of one of the major parties who are complicit. A minority group hold power through an outdated and gerrymandered electoral system against the interests of the nation can lead to a dangerous position.

Elections can be manipulated, such as the recent one and the close one between Gore and Junior. I'm sure most are. The one thing the establishment never want is for the cattle to lose faith in the integrity of the elections.

It would be nice if Trump was removed, but there's too much corruption going on that at this point they are a danger to America itself. Swamp needs a good draining and safeguards put in place for politics in America in the 21st century.

Fuking scholar of U.S. politics.

Scholar I must say. Even knows the history of Bush vs. Gore.

Cot damn.

[cashinout]

Yes, if the person is corrupt and being exploited by a foreign government but still has the support of one of the major parties who are complicit. A minority group hold power through an outdated and gerrymandered electoral system against the interests of the nation can lead to a dangerous position.

Elections can be manipulated, such as the recent one and the close one between Gore and Junior. I'm sure most are. The one thing the establishment never want is for the cattle to lose faith in the integrity of the elections.

It would be nice if Trump was removed, but there's too much corruption going on that at this point they are a danger to America itself. Swamp needs a good draining and safeguards put in place for politics in America in the 21st century.

at least you're honest with your authoritarianism and disregard for democracy

[FatBallz]

This is a quote from Nancy Pelosi, who thinks it is

“The weak response to these hearings has been, ‘Let the election decide,’” Pelosi added. “That dangerous position only adds to the urgency of our action, because the President is jeopardizing the integrity of the 2020 elections.”

Your thoughts? Is this democracy?

And of course she gets ZERO pushback from the media

[XterraRob]

at least you're honest with your authoritarianism and disregard for democracy

If China was ramming its dick down America's throat, Tammy would be the one jerking off in the corner to the whole scene.

[cashinout]

If China was ramming its dick down America's throat, Tammy would be the one jerking off in the corner to the whole scene.

He would just be accepting the objective reality of China's penis!

[tyqb4]

They just need to do their jobs. If they think something impeachable happened then go through the impeachment process. Doesn't matter if the election is tomorrow or in a year or in three years. all of this retarded political calculus adds absolutely nothing useful.

[Tamorlane]

at least you're honest with your authoritarianism and disregard for democracy

Although democracy is the best form of government human civilization has seen, it isn't perfect.

George Washington predicted this mess:

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

[Travis99]

If you can’t tell she’s a dictator you’re the problem.

[Seatard]

I think it's pretty clear

she doesn't think the voters should get to decide

Doesn't mean she is correct, but you are misunderstanding what Pelosi is saying.

[NYPat]

Pelosi's right. Trump is actively trying to affect the outcome of the 2020 election by soliciting the aid of a foreign country.

Making the claim that the people should get to decide is a cop out. Especially since a certain percentage of the population doesn't care, as evidenced by the majority of posters on this forum, if Trump has actually committed crimes.

So to answer OP's vague question, "Is it a "dangerous position" to let elections decide if Trump is president again", under normal circumstances, no. But given the fact that the current president is currently being impeached for acts that are intended to affect the 2020 election, yes.

[Chowboy]

We have to reelect Trump to find out for sure...


Nancy, Grey Goose, Pelosi has assured me that the way we do things in DC.

[cashinout]

Pelosi's right. Trump is actively trying to affect the outcome of the 2020 election by soliciting the aid of a foreign country.

Making the claim that the people should get to decide is a cop out. Especially since a certain percentage of the population doesn't care, as evidenced by the majority of posters on this forum, if Trump has actually committed crimes.

So to answer OP's vague question, "Is it a "dangerous position" to let elections decide if Trump is president again", under normal circumstances, no. But given the fact that the current president is currently being impeached for acts that are intended to affect the 2020 election, yes.

emergency situation argument

nice

that's how we got the Patriot Act and now we should give up our vote too

[Seatard]

They just need to do their jobs. If they think something impeachable happened then go through the impeachment process. Doesn't matter if the election is tomorrow or in a year or in three years. all of this retarded political calculus adds absolutely nothing useful.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tyqb4 again.

[NYPat]

emergency situation argument

nice

that's how we got the Patriot Act and now we should give up our vote too

Tell me again how you're going to lose your vote?

[NYPat]

They just need to do their jobs. If they think something impeachable happened then go through the impeachment process. Doesn't matter if the election is tomorrow or in a year or in three years. all of this retarded political calculus adds absolutely nothing useful.

I disagree. Given the fact that the impeachable offenses could change the outcome of the election, the process ideally needs to be completed before the election takes place.

[Ikeman83]

We live in a Republic. Trump will be reelected.

[cashinout]

Tell me again how you're going to lose your vote?

As soon as you explain how Trump will cheat the election out in the open while being investigated by the house and their media arms

[BigDeeps01]

If he wins the election, he's President

That's how it works

If he doesn't win, he's not

Go vote for one of the maniacs on the left if you don't want him to be your president for another 4 years

[NYPat]

As soon as you explain how Trump will cheat the election out in the open while being investigated by the house and their media arms

You mean like he did in the last election? When Wikileaks dropped right before the election?

Or do you mean when Zelensky was going to go on CNN and tell the world they were opening investigations into the Bidens?

[cashinout]

You mean like he did in the last election? When Wikileaks dropped right before the election?

Or do you mean when Zelensky was going to go on CNN and tell the world they were opening investigations into the Bidens?

No I mean, right now, as everything stands, with all the evidence presented by the House, all eyes on Trump

How is he going to do it? What makes it dangerous?

If your answer is "well the voters don't like our case, and we're infallible and know what's best and letting them decide is dangerous"

then you don't actually believe in democracy and are just a tribal little authoritarian weasel

[NYPat]

No I mean, right now, as everything stands, with all the evidence presented by the House, all eyes on Trump

How is he going to do it? What makes it dangerous?

If your answer is "well the voters don't like our case, and we're infallible and know what's best and letting them decide is dangerous"

then you don't actually believe in democracy and are just a tribal little authoritarian weasel

First, Trump likes to do things "out in the open" because if there is no cover up, then there is no crime. Except with the impeachment. He has instructed everyone to ignore subpoenas, and has turned over zero documents. This is a first for a president.

Second, you think a president who is being impeached for acts that are intended to affect the 2020 election should be allowed to let the people decide at the polls?

And btw, I'm explaining what Pelosi is saying, that the impeachment should, if possible, complete before the election. If Trump is not removed from office, then you are more than welcome to vote for him.

[rhadam]

I disagree. Given the fact that the impeachable offenses could change the outcome of the election, the process ideally needs to be completed before the election takes place.

So then why have they been stalling for 3 years?

[cashinout]

First, Trump likes to do things "out in the open" because if there is no cover up, then there is no crime. Except with the impeachment. He has instructed everyone to ignore subpoenas, and has turned over zero documents. This is a first for a president.

Second, you think a president who is being impeached for acts that are intended to affect the 2020 election should be allowed to let the people decide at the polls?

And btw, I'm explaining what Pelosi is saying, that the impeachment should, if possible, complete before the election. If Trump is not removed from office, then you are more than welcome to vote for him.

I couldn't care less if they impeach or not, he's not getting removed from office

I do have a problem with the sitting Speaker calling elections a dangerous situation in any context

[NYPat]

So then why have they been stalling for 3 years?

Stalling? The whistleblower became public in Sept..

And the 10+ Obstruction of Justice incidents found in the Mueller report were not enough in itself for Pelosi to move forward.

[BigDeeps01]

Second, you think a president who is being impeached for acts that are intended to affect the 2020 election should be allowed to let the people decide at the polls?

Yes, they absolutely should be able to vote him in at the polls

You are basically saying that while the impeachment is in process, he should not be eligible to run. Even though obviously nothing about the alleged actions have been proven, and it hasn't gone anywhere. That's not how it works.

Let's turn the tables. Let's say it was Obama in 2011. Let's say that the Republicans wanted to start an impeachment inquiry for something as frivolous (Objectively) as what's going on now. Let's say November 2012 runs around and they are still banging their heads against the wall and the impeachment is still going on. You think he should be removed from the ticket and not be allowed to run?

Please think hard about this one. Please do not deflect. Answer the questions asked.