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    Originally Posted by iamgenus View Post
    Jerry Rice has averaged better per game numbers without Montana or Young for one.

    Two you're the one who decided to question my post acting like somehow WRs getting force fed but getting less impact production in terms of scoring puts him on Jerry Rice like track.

    Sure Thomas could keep getting better and start putting up 1700 yard 20 TD seasons year after year and then his numbers would actually rival Rice.

    Right now saying he's anywhere near Jerry Rice given the difference in TDs and YPR is dumb.

    You can say a guy is playing great football and not pretend he's on the track of the GOAT WR.
    I never said MT was comparable to Rice right now. Calm down there fella.

    Also, I didn't get the chance to watch Rice, but could TD production for MT be something that is different because the Saints have had great RBs who can run the ball in for a TD whereas the 49ers didn't have that option?
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    Originally Posted by Swept View Post
    It’s proven by the way Payton uses him, theirs no such stats of “WR facing double coverages”. Payton isn’t gonna put Thomas on the outside as much cause it’s his obvious weakness. Coaches are gonna coach to player strength that’s obvious



    Do you even watch games?its not that hard to see. Show me multiple highlights of him getting doubled




    Here’s his first half highlights, not once he was doubled, I counted 7 times where he lined up outside the numbers and stayed outside. All which were comeback routes or back shoulder fades


    You still don't know the difference between there/their/they're? Jesus Christ, dude... It's been years...
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    I never said MT was comparable to Rice right now. Calm down there fella.

    Also, I didn't get the chance to watch Rice, but could TD production for MT be something that is different because the Saints have had great RBs who can run the ball in for a TD whereas the 49ers didn't have that option?

    God your dunce


    Or can it be Rice had big play ability and Thomas doesn’t. Rice had 36 TD of 50 or more yards Thomas has 1 TD over 50 yards. ONE. He has 6 catches total over 40 yards total.

    Do you even watch the highlights? 80% is slant routes
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    Originally Posted by Swept View Post
    God your dunce


    Or can it be Rice had big play ability and Thomas doesn’t. Rice had 36 TD of 50 or more yards Thomas has 1 TD over 50 yards. ONE. He has 6 catches total over 40 yards total.

    Do you even watch the highlights? 80% is slant routes
    "God your dunce." Lol okay then.

    No. Watching "highlight" videos is pointless and a terrible way to try and prove a point. Are you old enough to have watched Jerry Rice play? Or did you just watch highlight videos of him and pretend to know his playing style.

    Also, I posted the percentage that MT lines up in the slot and it's almost half the amount of snaps Hill does. Are you purposely ignoring that
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    lol @ Michael Thomas and Jerry Rice being in the same conversation.

    The only other two WRs who are allowed to be in that conversation are Moss and Owens.
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    Originally Posted by JUGGERNAUT1333 View Post
    lol @ Michael Thomas and Jerry Rice being in the same conversation.

    The only other two WRs who are allowed to be in that conversation are Moss and Owens.
    Inb4 iamgenus posts a short book on how those two aren't comparable

    Also, this was captaincuck who made the comparison which seems right on par with his bias / thread making.
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    lmaooooo. This dude can never give anyone props. It's never talents or skills. It's always scheme, system, or coaching with this guy as if any bum off the street can excel under Bill Belichick or Sean Payton or Andy Reid.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    I never said MT was comparable to Rice right now. Calm down there fella.

    Also, I didn't get the chance to watch Rice, but could TD production for MT be something that is different because the Saints have had great RBs who can run the ball in for a TD whereas the 49ers didn't have that option?
    So your logic is that it's easier to score and get yards in the 80s?

    And you may want to look up who Roger Craig and Tom Rathman are.

    This was your response and nobody was even talking to you

    "So being "force fed" means he can't be as good or better than Rice?"

    So then if you're not making the implication that MT is comparable to Rice right now then why bother responding to me literally just posting the production from both players?
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    "God your dunce." Lol okay then.

    No. Watching "highlight" videos is pointless and a terrible way to try and prove a point. Are you old enough to have watched Jerry Rice play? Or did you just watch highlight videos of him and pretend to know his playing style.

    Also, I posted the percentage that MT lines up in the slot and it's almost half the amount of snaps Hill does. Are you purposely ignoring that

    Of course the highlights are pointless to you, it doesn’t fit your agenda and proves all my points. His numbers match other slot receivers, his highlights mirror other slot receivers “, but yes he’s on Rice levels cause “hurr durr yards”
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    Originally Posted by iamgenus View Post
    So your logic is that it's easier to score and get yards in the 80s?

    And you may want to look up who Roger Craig and Tom Rathman are.

    This was your response and nobody was even talking to you

    "So being "force fed" means he can't be as good or better than Rice?"

    So then if you're not making the implication that MT is comparable to Rice right now then why bother responding to me literally just posting the production from both players?
    I wasn't comparing the two. My original comment to you was simply asking you a question. It wasn't me saying the two are comparable. I asked how being force fed made you a lesser WR. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

    Also, I know Tom Rathman. He's born in NE and played for the Huskers. I also attended on of his football camps back in the day.
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    Originally Posted by Swept View Post
    Of course the highlights are pointless to you, it doesn’t fit your agenda and proves all my points. His numbers match other slot receivers, his highlights mirror other slot receivers “, but yes he’s on Rice levels cause “hurr durr yards”
    It doesn't prove your point either. You're talking about his percentage in the slot, but I've shown you he lines up in the slot just 19% of the time. Whereas Hill has lined up over 30% in the slot. That's why I didn't watch the highlight video. You cherry picked a highlight video. I posted actual numbers to put the amount of time he's lined up in the slot into perspective.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    I wasn't comparing the two. My original comment to you was simply asking you a question. It wasn't me saying the two are comparable. I asked how being force fed made you a lesser WR. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

    Also, I know Tom Rathman. He's born in NE and played for the Huskers. I also attended on of his football camps back in the day.
    Don't you think it's kind of obvious how being force fed, but having equivalent or lesser numbers in an era and environment that is more conducive to bigger numbers, makes you a lesser WR?

    I do get a little defensive when it comes to Rice because a lot of people didn't watch him in his prime which is why the idea that others compare to him seems silly to me.

    The guy put up insane numbers at a time when 4000 yard, let alone 5000 yard passers were an oddity.

    For comparison in 85 when Rice was a rookie only Dan Marino hit 4000 yards.
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    Meanwhile today's NFL...

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    That's why in today's NFL, playing with Brees, in a dome Thomas putting up those numbers and still trailing Rice by a sizable TD difference makes him a lesser WR.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    It doesn't prove your point either. You're talking about his percentage in the slot, but I've shown you he lines up in the slot just 19% of the time. Whereas Hill has lined up over 30% in the slot. That's why I didn't watch the highlight video. You cherry picked a highlight video. I posted actual numbers to put the amount of time he's lined up in the slot into perspective.
    Lineup doesn’t equal reception.

    Cherry picked highlights LMAO the cope. I literally just looked up Micheal Thomas first half highlights



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    Originally Posted by Swept View Post
    Lineup doesn’t equal reception.

    Cherry picked highlights LMAO the cope. I literally just looked up Micheal Thomas first half highlights



    Your a patriots cuck right? You know what Belichick did when he faced Tyreek Hill, he doubled him almost every single snap. You know what Belichick did when he played Thomas, he left in single coverage basically every snap


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    What are you even trying to prove? Why do you think a highlight video proves anything vs actual statistics?

    I've proved that MT doesn't primarily line up in the slot, which you think he does. And I'm aware of what Belichick did to Tyreek last post season. Do you have a link to the game plan that Belichick had for Thomas when they played last that would show that we didn't double cover him?
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    Originally Posted by iamgenus View Post
    Don't you think it's kind of obvious how being force fed, but having equivalent or lesser numbers in an era and environment that is more conducive to bigger numbers, makes you a lesser WR?

    I do get a little defensive when it comes to Rice because a lot of people didn't watch him in his prime which is why the idea that others compare to him seems silly to me.

    The guy put up insane numbers at a time when 4000 yard, let alone 5000 yard passers were an oddity.

    For comparison in 85 when Rice was a rookie only Dan Marino hit 4000 yards.
    86 - 2 QBs hit 4000
    87 - 0 QBs hit 4000(strike shortened season though)
    88 - 1 QB hit 4000

    Meanwhile today's NFL...

    16 - 13 QBs and Brees hit 5000
    17 - 8 QBs hit 4000
    18 - 12 QBs hit 4000, Ben & Mahomes hit 5000

    That's why in today's NFL, playing with Brees, in a dome Thomas putting up those numbers and still trailing Rice by a sizable TD difference makes him a lesser WR.
    I get what you're saying and I don't think anyone can be fairly compared to Rice until they've done it for 15-20 seasons like he did.
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    What are you even trying to prove? Why do you think a highlight video proves anything vs actual statistics?

    I've proved that MT doesn't primarily line up in the slot, which you think he does. And I'm aware of what Belichick did to Tyreek last post season. Do you have a link to the game plan that Belichick had for Thomas when they played last that would show that we didn't double cover him?
    Wtf are you trying to prove why are you even commenting in this thread?

    Let see a sheet of numbers vs actual highlights. Of course you take numbers without context, you don’t actually watch football or understand schematics



    Heres the video of Thomas vs NE, no double, and his big play came lined up in the slot vs basic two man deep

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    Wtf are you trying to prove why are you even commenting in this thread?

    Let see a sheet of numbers vs actual highlights. Of course you take numbers without context, you don’t actually watch football or understand schematics



    Heres the video of Thomas vs NE, no double, and his big play came lined up in the slot vs basic two man deep

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cubSwRlh2LU
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    Originally Posted by Swept View Post
    Wtf are you trying to prove why are you even commenting in this thread?

    Let see a sheet of numbers vs actual highlights. Of course you take numbers without context, you don’t actually watch football or understand schematics



    Heres the video of Thomas vs NE, no double, and his big play came lined up in the slot vs basic two man deep

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cubSwRlh2LU
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    Thomas has never had a season were he averaged more than 12 yards a reception. Among top 30 WR Thomas is last in receptions over 20 yards.

    Theirs a reason Thomas the majority of Thomas catches are over the middle, theirs a reason he lines up in the slot more than any “number 1 receiver”. If you put Thomas on a island outside the numbers he would get shutdown.

    If you were to poll every DC in the nfl I would be willing to bet they would say it’s harder to game plan for Tyreek Hill than Thomas. Nobody doubles Thomas, he’s fortunate he landed in the perfect system for his skill set
    So I've been discussing this comment. You first say he lines up in the slot more than any other WR1 in the league. I've since proven that wrong. You then said he would get shut down if he was lined up outside, which you've not proved that point other than highlight videos of him making catches in the slot...which he obviously lines up in the slot 19% of the time. So yes, he'll make catches from the slot.

    You then make up some BS about how he never gets double covered which you've not proven that to be true. All you've mentioned was how the Patriots covered Hill in the AFC Championship game like that proves anything. Everyone knows that the Patriots will always take away your teams best threat.

    Here's a highlight video of Hill vs the Patriots in week 6. Notice how Hill wasn't always double covered like in your MT highlight video.
    https://www.chiefs.com/video/chiefs-...ill-highlights

    See how that works?

    Your arguments are so all over the place that I can't follow them nor can you.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    Are you always this stupid? Here's your original post --

    So I've been discussing this comment. You first say he lines up in the slot more than any other WR1 in the league. I've since proven that wrong. You then said he would get shut down if he was lined up outside, which you've not proved that point other than highlight videos of him making catches in the slot...which he obviously lines up in the slot 19% of the time. So yes, he'll make catches from the slot.

    You then make up some BS about how he never gets double covered which you've not proven that to be true. All you've mentioned was how the Patriots covered Hill in the AFC Championship game like that proves anything. Everyone knows that the Patriots will always take away your teams best threat.

    Here's a highlight video of Hill vs the Patriots in week 6. Notice how Hill wasn't always double covered like in your MT highlight video.
    https://www.chiefs.com/video/chiefs-...ill-highlights

    See how that works?

    Your arguments are so all over the place that I can't follow them nor can you.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    Are you always this stupid? Here's your original post --

    So I've been discussing this comment. You first say he lines up in the slot more than any other WR1 in the league. I've since proven that wrong. You then said he would get shut down if he was lined up outside, which you've not proved that point other than highlight videos of him making catches in the slot...which he obviously lines up in the slot 19% of the time. So yes, he'll make catches from the slot.

    You then make up some BS about how he never gets double covered which you've not proven that to be true. All you've mentioned was how the Patriots covered Hill in the AFC Championship game like that proves anything. Everyone knows that the Patriots will always take away your teams best threat.

    Here's a highlight video of Hill vs the Patriots in week 6. Notice how Hill wasn't always double covered like in your MT highlight video.
    https://www.chiefs.com/video/chiefs-...ill-highlights

    See how that works?

    Your arguments are so all over the place that I can't follow them nor can you.

    Show me video evidence of him getting double multiple times. go ahead


    see how what works? Hill burning the patriots every time they leave in single coverage? your proving my point dipchit.

    Thomas makes the overwhelming majority of his catches in the slot, btw that link you provided doesn't take into account WR motion and bunch formations, which is an emphasis in Payton system.


    Your basically responding just to respond, you have no video evidence, your using stats without context and have zero response to his Landry comparison, your making up chit about the video which is actual footage.
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    he is doing really well and im so happy about the performance, my worry is playoff time, is he gonna show up?
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    Show me video evidence of him getting double multiple times. go ahead


    see how what works? Hill burning the patriots every time they leave in single coverage? your proving my point dipchit.

    Thomas makes the overwhelming majority of his catches in the slot, btw that link you provided doesn't take into account WR motion and bunch formations, which is an emphasis in Payton system.


    Your basically responding just to respond, you have no video evidence, your using stats without context and have zero response to his Landry comparison, your making up chit about the video which is actual footage.
    You're a lost cause. I'm not going to go back and forth with you when you don't even understand what you're arguing about.
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