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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Who is their commander in chief?

    What is the point of basic training, to install obedience to those in authority ?
    Again, I'm gonna need you to read the oath we take. That will explain everything. We aren't indoctrinated as mindless killers, and we fight for our families and our country.

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    HK is not an established communist society. The power and might of the Chinese military would simply overpower the protestors should they be armed
    They got in bed with communists and their fifty year agreement is over. Again, not a comparison in the slightest.
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    ^^^you follow orders

    ^^^you go to wars where ordered and you also protect oil and money

    I have great respect for the military my father is a retired Major however an army, a militia are trained to follow orders, to protect and to kill not to question

    And strong understanding of HK

    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    Whatever hypothetical it is, I can assure you that being armed in that situation is better than not
    Is it though ?

    Arms against arms escalates

    Arms against unarmed may make the militia wonder what the fuk they are doing, revolt and stand with the people
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    I understand that. Now explain the details of how and which targets being attacked, etc.
    What targets do you want him to hypothetically choose between? Explain in detail. This is your military occupation of an entire nation after all. What's your move that he needs to counter? only a few million square miles to occupy. Simple right?
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Is it though ?

    Arms against arms escalates

    Arms against unarmed may make the militia wonder what the fuk they are doing, revolt and stand with the people
    Lmao okay I didn't realize I was talking to an idealist

    I'm sure the North Korean army will free its citizens any day now
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Name 3 places where any person can have a gun and normal people are "swimming in guns", but the government is tyrannical.
    Lebanon, DRC, Sudan

    Edit: I believe we have escaped tyranny, for the most part with notable exceptions, because of the enlightened thinkers who put great work into our Constitution. Which is the best piece of ethics and philosophy ever put down...inspired by God. True religion.

    And it does include arms.

    But for the right of a well regulated militia, whi can correctly function.

    That doesn't currently exist, imo.

    And frankly, states with good gun laws are indeed better at gun violence.

    It shouldn't be that easy to kill.

    Over the years, I became pacifist...because dead people can't be fixed. You can fix a lot of problems, but if they are dead you failed. It's definitive and it didn't work.

    Getting to world peace will take more guts than bullets, and I think so fervently I have no fear of death. It's coming.

    Make your effort for life. Not death.

    We've come to far to resort to war any longer. We're better than this.

    Fight with culture...intelligence, kindness, abundance, success, understanding, food for the hungry, medicine for the children and mothers. And win.

    The writing is all the way on the wall...and we have two choices which is dark and light.

    I choose light with my final efforts.



    Somebody needs their eyes on the prize...heaven as life. Don't have a gun, because you don't want to kill.

    That's one of God's eyes you just put out. And he needs and wants all of them. Even the rotten, mean, horrible.

    He's the winner. Undefeated and undefeatable.

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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    ^^^you follow orders
    Not unlawful orders. That's where your confusion is.

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    Is it though ?

    Arms against arms escalates

    Arms against unarmed may make the militia wonder what the fuk they are doing, revolt and stand with the people
    Strong understanding of the Holocaust.
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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    Lmao okay I didn't realize I was talking to an idealist

    I'm sure the North Korean army will free its citizens any day now
    How dare you. the North Korean citizens should be on their hands and knees licking the boots of their overloads and thanking them for having the foresight to disarm the population, for their own protection, to prevent them being massacred by the government
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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    Lmao okay I didn't realize I was talking to an idealist

    I'm sure the North Korean army will free its citizens any day now
    If North Korea had oil reserves the US would already have freed them
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    If North Korea had oil reserves the US would already have freed them
    I hear they got dem dere minerals though

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    Originally Posted by cashinout View Post
    I'm the one who said it WOULDN'T BE easy and simple and now you want me to explain the details of that?
    Right, it wouldn't be easy for 100 million to coordinate a coup, but it would be very easy for the gov to defend itself against a coup, though.
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    Originally Posted by GreatOldOne View Post
    Lebanon, DRC, Sudan
    And you list countries with no guaranteed right to arms.

    lol

    Try again
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Right, it wouldn't be easy for 100 million to coordinate a coup, but it would be very easy for the gov to defend itself against a coup, though.
    So now your argument is that the armed US population is not capable of coordinating a military coup to take over the country.

    I honestly didn't think you'd completely give up on your [indefensible] argument and move the goal posts so far so quickly.

    But it's nice to see you are in fact capable of recognizing that what you say is bullocks. Bravo
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    What targets do you want him to hypothetically choose between? Explain in detail. This is your military occupation of an entire nation after all. What's your move that he needs to counter? only a few million square miles to occupy. Simple right?
    Well, you and 30 of your buddies bring your AR's to the White House and see how you do, for example.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    So now your argument is that the armed US population is not capable of coordinating a military coup to take over the country.

    I honestly didn't think you'd completely give up on your [indefensible] argument and move the goal posts so far so quickly.

    But it's nice to see you are in fact capable of recognizing that what you say is bullocks. Bravo
    I didn't change anything. I said it would be easy for the gov to defend itself against a coup of beer drinking yahoos with Glocks and AR's.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Well, you and 30 of your buddies bring your AR's to the White House and see how you do, for example.
    I like how you gave up this military occupation of the country by a suddenly tyrannical government thing so easy.

    Thank you for admitting that is not a feasible action in the US at current, due in part to the presence of so many privately owned arms.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    I didn't change anything. I said it would be easy for the gov to defend itself against a coup of beer drinking yahoos with Glocks and AR's.
    Thank you for admitting that a tyrannical government occupying the country would be a failure.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    And you list countries with no guaranteed right to arms.

    lol

    Try again
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Right, it wouldn't be easy for 100 million to coordinate a coup, but it would be very easy for the gov to defend itself against a coup, though.
    Depends on the situation

    A coup against our democratically elected govt is both unnecessary and probably futile

    A coup against a tyrannical govt that is oppressing and trying to occupy the entire nation is a different story. Especially if the population is still armed
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    I like how you gave up this military occupation of the country by a suddenly tyrannical government thing so easy.

    Thank you for admitting that is not a feasible action in the US at current, due in part to the presence of so many privately owned arms.
    Nope, still believe the gov could very easily defend itself against armed citizens.

    I'm a gun owner, btw, but the whole concept of citizens can keep the government in check by owning handguns and rifles is lmao. It's a cute sentiment, though.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Thank you for admitting that a tyrannical government occupying the country would be a failure.
    If that tyrannical government is the US, then yes they could succeed.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Nope, still believe the gov could very easily defend itself against armed citizens.

    I'm a gun owner, btw, but the whole concept of citizens can keep the government in check by owning handguns and rifles is lmao. It's a cute sentiment, though.
    They would just turn off the water and electricity and people would say ok nevermind...this was fun but it's actually cold so please. Let's just forget this ever happened.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Nope, still believe the gov could very easily defend itself against armed citizens.

    I'm a gun owner, btw, but the whole concept of citizens can keep the government in check by owning handguns and rifles is lmao. It's a cute sentiment, though.
    Thank you for admitting that the citizens successfully defending themselves against the government is so obvious you won't even try to say otherwise


    "I'm a gun owner but" lol you literally could not be more classic and predictable
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    Originally Posted by GreatOldOne View Post
    They would just turn off the water and electricity and people would say ok nevermind...this was fun but it's actually cold so please. Let's just forget this ever happened.
    If it ever goes down I hope they are as stupid as you and immediately turn the majority of the population against them by going full retard like that...it'll be like taking candy from a baby
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    Originally Posted by GreatOldOne View Post
    Yeah, tbh we should probably close New Orleans and tell everyone to move we're done here.

    Rebels can abandon their ideas of beating up Uncle Sam. That ship sailed. Participate instead.

    And YOUR family is at greater risk for your hobby.

    You won't agree...because you don't believe in math.

    If you think you're more safe? Totally wrong.

    Move out of a crime ridden area. Be physically present some place different.
    No, the US loses Every. Single. Time. The liberals don't realize this, but there are too many people with guns in America, and too many ex-military, to really stop such an uprising.

    Also guns are great.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    If it ever goes down I hope they are as stupid as you and immediately turn the majority of the population against them by going full retard like that...it'll be like taking candy from a baby
    Thankfully, people like me will always keep people like you, in 100% full checked, and it will never happen.

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    Originally Posted by Suqat View Post
    No, the US loses Every. Single. Time. The liberals don't realize this, but there are too many people with guns in America, and too many ex-military, to really stop such an uprising.

    Also guns are great.
    Didn't lose the first time.

    Brb liberals cheat and use guns, throw out the laws, and wreck everything and everyone and tell you to sit down and stfu while we rebuilding your ruins.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Thank you for admitting that the citizens successfully defending themselves against the government is so obvious you won't even try to say otherwise


    "I'm a gun owner but" lol you literally could not be more classic and predictable
    Sorry son, but back in the day when weapons were equal between citizens and government you'd have a leg to stand on, but a tank vs dudes with AR's, and I'll take the tank.
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    LOL and what would 100 million Americans come together so strongly against that they would actually take on the military and government?
    So ~2 million US military (many of which would probably defect anyway) vs let's say half of that 100 million. Sorry, but I still like our odds.
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    ^^^you follow orders

    ^^^you go to wars where ordered and you also protect oil and money

    I have great respect for the military my father is a retired Major however an army, a militia are trained to follow orders, to protect and to kill not to question
    lol if this is true, you have no understanding of how our military works.

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    Guns don't prevent government tyranny. Lots of places are swarming in guns and their governments are ridiculous tyrannical.

    I'm not making society weaker, but stronger. Smarter. Kinder. Better.
    you call yourself smart but completely fail to see the reality of gun control. the govt wants to confiscate guns while at the same time sell guns to criminals and open the borders allowing cartels to flow into the country. they do this because they want to then turn around and say we need to pay them more taxes for more security, more militarized law enforcement, more surveillance, less privacy.

    essentially pay them to ix the problems they deliberately created while also eroding our personal rights.
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