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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    What do you think happens to pocket QBs whose physical gifts leave them? They struggle. The difference is while Lamar is still progressing becoming a pocket passer (which hes made massive strides and continues to do so) he has an ultimate weapon that nearly every other QB in history doesn't have. Lamar is not Vick.... he's already better than Vick ever was in ATL as a passer
    Pocket passers evolve to adjust to their capabilites. Jacksons running ability will dimisnh well before a passers arm goes. You routinely see pocket passers hitting their prime in their 30s. Jacksons athleticism will be nowhere near the same in his 30s.

    So the question is whether or not Jackson can adjust his game once he can't beat everyone on the field with his athleticism. Maybe he can.

    It doesn't change the fact that his current play style is not sustainable long term. He will need to adjust at some point.
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    Originally Posted by Belome View Post
    Every new hotness dual threat QB gets their 15 Minutes of greatness.

    RG3
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    Ect.

    All were considered monsters at one point.

    Backup
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    I think this is Lamar’s MVP season, possible Super bowl appearance.

    And in 4 years it will be “Hey remember when Lamar was good?”

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    This is kind of lazily lumping all dual threat QBs as one. All those players are quite different from each other - with RG3 probably being the most similar to Lamar, but not that close - Lamar has better mechanics for sure and seems quicker to me while RG3 was more powerful. Anyway, health and bad coaching took down RG3, neither of which is a problem for Lamar at this point.

    The gap in health between RG3 and Lamar Jackson was gigantic at this point in their respective careers. RG3 had a season ending injury at the end of his rookie season - and had a season ending injury during his college years. Lamar is well into his 2nd season and hasn't been dinged up much at all.
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    Originally Posted by OPGenesis View Post

    Kaep had a few good seasons. Going to a couple of NFC championship games and losing a SB isn't all too impressive.

    He won't be remembered at all down the road, and if he is remembered it will be for the goofy political stunts.
    Delusional

    A guy like Nathan Peterman probably wont "be remembered". But QBs on SB teams generally are.

    I think 9er fans will remember the qb they had when the SB game down to the last play of the game
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    Originally Posted by wildchild11 View Post
    Delusional

    A guy like Nathan Peterman probably wont "be remembered". But QBs on SB teams generally are.

    I think 9er fans will remember the qb they had when the SB game down to the last play of the game
    You’re delusional. Beta males aren’t remembered because they’re just beta males. Kaepernick is a beta individual. A guy like Nathan Peterman is just a normal guy, not a beta male, and will be remembered for much longer.
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    Originally Posted by Mrs Grudge View Post
    This is kind of lazily lumping all dual threat QBs as one. All those players are quite different from each other - with RG3 probably being the most similar to Lamar, but not that close - Lamar has better mechanics for sure and seems quicker to me while RG3 was more powerful. Anyway, health and bad coaching took down RG3, neither of which is a problem for Lamar at this point.

    The gap in health between RG3 and Lamar Jackson was gigantic at this point in their respective careers. RG3 had a season ending injury at the end of his rookie season - and had a season ending injury during his college years. Lamar is well into his 2nd season and hasn't been dinged up much at all.
    Also lol @ him calling Cam Newton a 15 minutes of greatness guy

    Newton started for a decade
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    Originally Posted by wildchild11 View Post
    Also lol @ him calling Cam Newton a 15 minutes of greatness guy

    Newton started for a decade
    3 winning seasons...

    .500 record since his super bowl MVP season.

    Obviously We have different opinions on what sustained greatness is.
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    Originally Posted by wildchild11 View Post
    Delusional

    A guy like Nathan Peterman probably wont "be remembered". But QBs on SB teams generally are.

    I think 9er fans will remember the qb they had when the SB game down to the last play of the game
    Yea, I forgot, every QB that has had a few solid seasons, and lost a SB, will go down in greatness forever.

    Everyone always remembers the losers.
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    Originally Posted by Belome View Post
    3 winning seasons...

    .500 record since his super bowl MVP season.

    Obviously We have different opinions on what sustained greatness is.
    Notice you changed "15 minutes" to "sustained"

    And he was a pretty high level starter for the whole time. Won an MVP, went to an SB (where he did not play well). Had probably the greatest career for a dual threat in the modern era, before injuries took his athleticism away

    I think a lot of franchises would be happy if their QB provides high level play for 10 years. And if they didnt treat him like a running back he prob would have been good for 2-3 more.
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    Originally Posted by wildchild11 View Post
    Notice you changed "15 minutes" to "sustained"

    And he was a pretty high level starter for the whole time. Won an MVP, went to an SB (where he did not play well). Had probably the greatest career for a dual threat in the modern era, before injuries took his athleticism away

    I think a lot of franchises would be happy if their QB provides high level play for 10 years. And if they didnt treat him like a running back he prob would have been good for 2-3 more.
    Cam Newton and “greatest career” doesn’t compute in any category.

    3 winning seasons, zero Super Bowls, and basically a career .500 record.

    That is a pretty low bar for greatness.
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    Originally Posted by JUGGERNAUT1333 View Post
    Pocket passers evolve to adjust to their capabilites. Jacksons running ability will dimisnh well before a passers arm goes. You routinely see pocket passers hitting their prime in their 30s. Jacksons athleticism will be nowhere near the same in his 30s.

    So the question is whether or not Jackson can adjust his game once he can't beat everyone on the field with his athleticism. Maybe he can.

    It doesn't change the fact that his current play style is not sustainable long term. He will need to adjust at some point.
    You check out that first half? multiple TD DIMES from Lamar?

    How long is it gonna take for some of you sports miscers to realize the dude is legit and making massive strides
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    IMO every "dual threat" QB presents a new challenge for teams, Normally give it a season till the teams figure out how to level the playing field. There are those like Deshaun Watson and Lamar Jackson who have a heck of an arm AND are very mobile which make it even harder to figure out how to defend them.

    RG3, Michael Vick and the likes were more run happy and werent as accurate in the pocket nor on the move like the aforementioned.
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    Just another ho-hum day for Action Jackson

    17/24.. 222 yards.. 4TDs

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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    Just another ho-hum day for Action Jackson

    17/24.. 222 yards.. 4TDs

    9 carries... 86 yards

    YIKES!!
    Dudes so lucky. Also stat padding against another **** team
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    Dudes so lucky. Also stat padding against another **** team
    Unless he does it against the 85 Bears or the 00 Ravens, I'm not impressed
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    deshaun watson will defeat jamar lackson
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    You check out that first half? multiple TD DIMES from Lamar?

    How long is it gonna take for some of you sports miscers to realize the dude is legit and making massive strides

    Lamar jackson is good but the texans secondary stinks worse than HoustonMiscers curry sharts
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    Lamar jackson is good but the texans secondary stinks worse than HoustonMiscers curry sharts
    One of the best run D's in the league.... and got curb stomped by the Ravens and Lamar. Sorry HM
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    One of the best run D's in the league.... and got curb stomped by the Ravens and Lamar. Sorry HM
    Lol! You have been duped! This texans run defense is not one of the best in the league. They are middle of the pack to a bit above average AT BEST
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    You check out that first half? multiple TD DIMES from Lamar?

    How long is it gonna take for some of you sports miscers to realize the dude is legit and making massive strides
    I don't think anyone is saying he isn't making strides. His passing ability has come a very long way since last year, that's obvious. Dude has a cannon and is pretty accurate. Gotta remember though that defense are scared to rush him and have to account for him taking off on every play. No defense right now can drop back into coverage and make Lamar beat them because he will absolutely destroy you with his legs.

    The entire point everyone is trying to make is that playing him like an RB is a risk, and if the threat of his running ability is gone someday, can he excel as a strict passer? These are very fair questions and absolutely no one is saying he has not made massive improvements to his game.
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