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    Originally Posted by RedRusty View Post
    People who are found guilty of involuntary manslaughter also made a mistake, a mistake that cost someone else their life. Unfortunately there are consequences for that. Why should this be different?
    I think we should save legal charges for when there is some "intent" to do harm or when the negligence is part of a pattern that suggests a person might be a danger to society. Or when an intentionally irresponsible decision lead to some harm. Sending a person to prison for one mistake in an otherwise responsible and well-intentioned life history does nobody any good.

    What will be gained by sending this man to prison? Nothing.
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    How do kids die if you leave them in a backseat for 8 hours?

    Those things die easier than pet hamsters wtf
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    Originally Posted by outfoxxed View Post
    How do kids die if you leave them in a backseat for 8 hours?

    Those things die easier than pet hamsters wtf
    They are babies inside a hot as fuk car. It says in the video at the scene their temperature was 108 degrees
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    I have no clue. I dont have a kid so I have no clue how the connection between a parent and a child. I also have childhood issues with a broken home so I really can't judge how I'd react.
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    Originally Posted by mujie View Post
    He's definitely lying. Anyone who has ever traveled with kids knows that kids never keep quiet in a car. That's apart from the fact that he definitely saw them getting into the car. How the fuk do you not see 1 year old kids opening a car door and getting in unless your'e severely retarded or just plain DGAF about them.
    I have to agree he's either lying or just retarded. But there's no phucking way a 1 year old can get into a car by themself. Unless we are talking about a year and 11 months.... Even then, maybe 5% of 2 year olds would be able to do that. Maybe more, but its not common.

    If they were truly 1 or near 1 year old, they were put into the car by someone 100%
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    Originally Posted by EoR View Post
    That's not an accident. Accident suggests it couldn't be prevented. So no, if my spouse left our 2 kids in the car to basically overheat to death I would not only not forgive them but I would formulate some form of punishment.
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    Originally Posted by mujie View Post
    He's definitely lying. Anyone who has ever traveled with kids knows that kids never keep quiet in a car. That's apart from the fact that he definitely saw them getting into the car. How the fuk do you not see 1 year old kids opening a car door and getting in unless your'e severely retarded or just plain DGAF about them.
    One year old kids don’t open car doors and get in on their own. Both children were placed in those seats, strapped in and the door was closed behind them.

    He didn’t have daycare/ sitter lined up and figured they’d be fine for 8 hrs in the car on their own.

    If He was dumb enough to think this was a good idea, he’s dumb enough to think people will believe this was actually an accident.
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    Originally Posted by DhKWarrior View Post
    So a New York father was charged with the death of his one-year-old twins after he left them in his car for over eight hours while he was at work. 39-year-old Juan Rodriguez told police that he forgot his kids were in the backseat and didn't realize they were there until he was driving home at the end of his shift.

    He noticed the two children were still in the backseat a few minutes after he left work. He immediately pulled over and called 911. When paramedics arrived, the children were not breathing and foaming at the mouth. The twins, identified as Mariza and Phoenix, were pronounced dead a short time later.




    Rodriguez was charged with two counts of manslaughter and two counts of negligent homicide.

    Rodriguez's neighbors say that he was a great father who was well-liked in his neighborhood,.

    "It's just horrible. They were a great family. Always doing things with the kids, always in the yard playing. They had a big camp out last weekend with tents in the back yard. He would always play catch or basketball with his older kids," neighbor Tony Caterino told the New York Post.


    The couple had planned to take their twins to the beach for the first time that weekend, but the kids died beforehand.
    Not sure if the parents planned this, or he's a total psycho/socio-path, because he was FAKE crying in that vid. Literally not one tear was shed. Plus "forgetting" that his kids were in the backseat is absolutely nuts. Something seriously fishy about this...
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    Originally Posted by mujie View Post
    He's definitely lying. Anyone who has ever traveled with kids knows that kids never keep quiet in a car. That's apart from the fact that he definitely saw them getting into the car. How the fuk do you not see 1 year old kids opening a car door and getting in unless your'e severely retarded or just plain DGAF about them.
    Easily the dumbest post I've read in awhile I hope to god you are trolling lmao

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    There is no negligence here based on what I read in the article, unless there is something more that wasnt mentioned. To understand "negligence" here are two scenarios. One where there is no negligence, and one where there is;

    1. You are driving your car. Your car is properly inspected, insured, in good running order and your license is current. You come to an intersection and your breaks fail, you drive into oncoming traffic, hit a school bus and kill 5 kids. There is no negligence here. This is an accident.

    Scenario #2; You are driving your car and the same thing happens. ONLY THIS TIME you are driving a car that isnt currently inspected. In addition to that you are aware that your breaks are not in good operating condition. Here there is negligence because you INTENTIONALLY made the irresponsible choice to drive the car and that choice lead to unintended harm or destruction of property.

    So in the case of the father, his brain malfunctioned. If the prosecution can determine that he did something or made some irresponsible decision that lead to the incident, then negligence can be applied. Like if he was drunk the night before or took some medication that he was not supposed to take...if he intentionally did something irresponsible that lead to his mistake. Otherwise, its just a mistake and however hard it is for us to understand how somebody could make such a mistake IT HAPPENS. Things like that happen all the time. Brains malfunction and its not something that we can control or prevent, just like the breaks on a car sometimes fail.
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    Originally Posted by KirkMcquest View Post
    He made a mistake. The psychological repercussions on this poor guy will be devastating. I think dragging him into court and laying charges on him at this point is wrong. Let the man pick up the shattered pieces of his life and try to move on.
    This. By all other accounts the guy was a great father. Clearly he didn't intend this; he had absolutely no motive. Sounds absolutely ridiculous, but may he was under an immense amount of stress and thought that he had dropped them off. I can understand forgetting them in the car, but i cant understand not pondering your kids once in an 8 hour shift then having a "wait a second" moment. Either way, he's the one suffering the most from this, not society.

    If the wife were to press a negligence suit against him tho he definitely breached the standard of care. No person of reasonable intelligence is making the same mistake
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    Originally Posted by KirkMcquest View Post
    There is no negligence here based on what I read in the article, unless there is something more that wasnt mentioned. To understand "negligence" here are two scenarios. One where there is no negligence, and one where there is;

    1. You are driving your car. Your car is properly inspected, insured, in good running order and your license is current. You come to an intersection and your breaks fail, you drive into oncoming traffic, hit a school bus and kill 5 kids. There is no negligence here. This is an accident.

    Scenario #2; You are driving your car and the same thing happens. ONLY THIS TIME you are driving a car that isnt currently inspected. In addition to that you are aware that your breaks are not in good operating condition. Here there is negligence because you INTENTIONALLY made the irresponsible choice to drive the car and that choice lead to unintended harm or destruction of property.

    So in the case of the father, his brain malfunctioned. If the prosecution can determine that he did something or made some irresponsible decision that lead to the incident, then negligence can be applied. Like if he was drunk the night before or took some medication that he was not supposed to take...if he intentionally did something irresponsible that lead to his mistake. Otherwise, its just a mistake and however hard it is for us to understand how somebody could make such a mistake IT HAPPENS. Things like that happen all the time. Brains malfunction and its not something that we can control or prevent, just like the breaks on a car sometimes fail.
    It's a mistake, but it's not a momentary lapse of judgement. His brain was functioning all day. The reasonable person ponders their kids throughout the day and realizes that they didnt drop them off at work that day. A non retarded lawyer could easily argue that he was negligent, lmao.
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    Shocked at the replies ITT saying the guy is a psycho or he did it on purpose. This is actually a common death by negligence all across the globe, especially in really hot and humid places. It happens way more times than you guys realize, and the worst part is that we only find out about the deaths, there has to be hundreds of cases that the parents find out about their mistake before its too late.


    It was an accident guys, it can happen. I personally knew about a family that went trough this, father of 4 forgot his newborn baby on the car for about 40 minutes or so and when he came back it was too late. His wife forgave him and they tried to go on with their life, fast forward a couple of years the guy lost his job, the woman got admitted into a psych institute and the guy ended up killing himself leaving the 3 kids in care of their grandparents.

    This **** happens, humans arent perfect. Anybody can make a mistake, of course we all have to deal with the consequences of our mistakes.


    I have a cousin, he's the smartest guy i know, yet he sometimes gets in autopilot mode. He often drives around town and just keeps driving when he reaches his destination just because hes distracted thinking about something else. I dont know he probably solves equations on his mind or whatever and just forgets about the rest of the world. Then he realizes and hes like "Oh **** wtf we passed it already"


    Imagine going to work for 15 years, doing the same exact routine everyday, nothing changes. You go to work and your wife takes care of the kids, every day for the last 15 years. Then one day you just have to take the 1 year old twins to daycare because mommy has some other things to deal with. Mommy helps you put them on the backseat while you are thinking about that big reunion you have at 10 am and how you gonna pitch it, and just answer on autopilot "Ok honey ill take them have a good day". Or maybe you get an important phone call just after leaving your house, a phone call that changes the entire dynamics of your day and you start on your mind figuring **** out, organizing your ideas, your day, thinking about possible scenarios jesus i dont know you get my point. Then you just go to work because the babies were completely asleep and didnt make a sound.

    I can understand why it happens honestly. No i dont condone it no i dont accept it and no you wont see me fighting for the rights of people that forget their kids on their car. I just feel empathy and sadness because i know it absolutelly kills them inside and their whole life is ruined just because they are on the wrong extreme side of the distraction spectrum.



    To answer OP's question, i dont know what id do and i hope i never find out.
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    That's not an accident. Accident suggests it couldn't be prevented. So no, if my spouse left our 2 kids in the car to basically overheat to death I would not only not forgive them but I would formulate some form of punishment.
    this

    that's negligence at best. evil at worst.

    that being said, idk how the fuk you forget your kids in a car. I can't even forget my water bottle in my car let alone my dog. Couldn't imagine how I'd be with a kid, but certainly not forgetful like that.
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    That's two less for us to deport. Rodriguez lol please.
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    I’ve done some really dumb things when on automatic pilot and exhausted

    But I don’t think even I have enough empathy to forgive that

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    Originally Posted by TsubasaKen View Post
    Shocked at the replies ITT saying the guy is a psycho or he did it on purpose.
    Maybe don't be so sensitive then. When there are dead babies, the question is a perfectly fair one.

    Personally I don't have any idea whether he did it on purpose or not because I don't know him. But it almost doesn't matter to me if I'm being honest. Either way, he flushed human life down the toilet because he didn't take care of his responsibilities. If it was a accident and he simply held his own children in such low regard that he allowed them to die a painful, suffering death, then fuk him either way. Serious.
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    If my stupidity led to the death of my two kids, I'd probably just off myself, can't imagine living with the guilt. Would tear you apart.
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    No, it would take a lifetime to learn to forgive them. Staying married after that would be impossible.
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    Originally Posted by nothingshocking View Post
    I had a friend at work who had 1 child, a son who he loved to death. His wife got in a car crash and was at fault in the accident. His son died as a result. He forgave her. He is a better man than me.
    A car accident, maybe. Negligence like the scenario in the op? Never.
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    Originally Posted by keyboardworkout View Post
    It's rare for an "accident" not to involve some sort of negligence. I'll describe a situation in which I knew the parties involved.

    Grandma is watching 2 year old grandchild while parents are at work. Grandma loses track of grandchild for a few minutes. Grandchild had walked into the bathroom and was playing with the toilet. Toilet seat fell down striking grandchild in the head knocking her out. She fell face first into the toilet and drowned.

    Accident or negligence?
    Accident, if you believe that story. Something doesn't add up. Sounds totally fishy
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    This is worse than negligence. RIP to the kid. I think I'd harbor resentment towards my spouse for a long time.
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    if i did that to my own kids cops wouldn't need to arrest me cause id have already swallowed a bullet or something. would never be able to live with myself after even if it was truly 100% an accident
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    I'm not saying I think he did it on purpose, but there are certain things you have to be more vigilant about when you become a parent.
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