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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    This thread isn't about illegal immigration boomer.
    Why are you talking like a bottom feeding miscer?
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Why are you talking like a bottom feeding miscer?
    Younger generation is just getting really tired of the legal immigration crap. This is a thread only about legal immigration and it's consequences, yet some people still come in here with the old illegal vs legal shtick. It's like boomers are robots programmed to always bring it back to illegals when that's not what we're talking about.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    Look at Omar, she's in Congress because of legal immigration. If you read the article I posted in the OP, 90% of districts that have an above average foreign population vote for Democrats. The big changes in the country and push to the left are due to legal immigrants. By and large, immigrants are globalism over nationalism.
    She is in congress because obama resettled 70k muslim "refugees" into that district.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    Younger generation is just getting really tired of the legal immigration crap. This is a thread only about legal immigration and it's consequences, yet some people still come in here with the old illegal vs legal shtick. It's like boomers are robots programmed to always bring it back to illegals when that's not what we're talking about.
    Did you read the post i was replying to chief?
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    This thread isn't about illegal immigration boomer.
    Don't mind him. He struggles with reading sometimes.
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    Never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one.

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    Originally Posted by dhawkeye1980 View Post
    She is in congress because obama resettled 70k muslim "refugees" into that district.
    Sounds pretty legal to me, so you should be ok with it, no?
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    Originally Posted by dhawkeye1980 View Post
    She is in congress because obama resettled 70k muslim "refugees" into that district.
    Jorge Boosh put more lightbulb headed inbreds in MN than Obama did, it's funny how the boomers never stopped to ask why exactly we were paying billions to import so many people who hate America when a Compassionate Cuckservative was running the show.

    They helped Omar get elected but that was almost 100% down to the MN natives being huge cucks.
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    I'm not sure I buy the immigrant thing as the reason for Virginia flipping. Its all these rich, mostly white suburb liberals. Especially in Loudon County. DC area has blown up and now the area around DC is filled with soccer moms and liberals. Fairfix is now full and those people are spilling into Loudon County. Now its almost full and its continuing west toward Winchester.

    I live near Loudon County and the town houses there cost 400k+ Single family homes are half a mil+. The whole western part of the county is filled with multimillion dollar mansions on 1-2 acres. I went to a friends house in that area and his foyer was over 1,000 square feet and had two fireplaces in it. His house has three large family room type rooms and seven bedrooms for my buddy, his wife, and his two kids. All his neighbors are pretty much just like him.

    The reality is is that DC is good for business. He is in tech and works with government contracts. The government pays stupidly large amounts of money for those contracts and in turn the employees are making bank. Another friend of mine recently bought a house for his mom for like 300k in cash. I'm like damn I'm in the wrong line of work.

    Now the immigrants do exist if you go to any fast food or shopping mall i the area. But they don't live in loudon unless its 15 to a townhouse and usually those aren't allowed. Most of them live near manassas, Dale City, and other places further from DC and they will drive in to Loudon County to work. I also doubt most of the immigrants vote. They are mostly concerned with trying to work enough minimum wage hours to pay for the expensive housing prices.

    The immigrants that do live in loudon are usually engineers/drs/etc. But those aren't the majority or even close to it.

    So the real reason its flipping is that the liberal suburbs that used to be contained to alexandria has spilled out into all of northern virginia due to all these suburban liberals that have located there for work from all over the country. The place has the same demographic as reddit.
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    Originally Posted by Halfway View Post
    Jorge Boosh put more lightbulb headed inbreds in MN than Obama did, it's funny how the boomers never stopped to ask why exactly we were paying billions to import so many people who hate America when a Compassionate Cuckservative was running the show.

    They helped Omar get elected but that was almost 100% down to the MN natives being huge cucks.
    Don't forget that those thousands of legal Somalian immigrant voters helped passed Obamacare when Franken beat the R for senate by a couple hundred votes thus giving the senate that 60th vote to pass. The next 60th vote legal immigrants voters will give the senate will be full on gun control.

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    I'm not sure I buy the immigrant thing as the reason for Virginia flipping. Its all these rich, mostly white suburb liberals. Especially in Loudon County. DC area has blown up and now the area around DC is filled with soccer moms and liberals.[...]
    This is all a cope, similar to "It's the DAMN WHITE CALIFORNIANS (and not the 11 million of legal Hispanics) that are turning Texas blue!!!".
    You are just too afraid of being called/perceived a "racist", so you much rather convince yourself to believe a lie and blame the only racial group it is socially acceptable to blame for anything (and everything) - the white people.

    Despite the size of the red districts, this was a narrow (in the Senate) win for the blue team, because of greater population in the blue regions—including immigrants.

    It’s official, maybe: Virginia is blue. Republicans lost control of the Old Dominion’s General Assembly on Tuesday, an Election-Day blowout that put Virginia’s government in Democrat hands. Political commentators eagerly blamed the loss on Donald Trump’s alienating white suburbanites. Partly, but this overlooks what the commentariat and the Never Trump GOP ruling class always overlook: demographics. Like many other battleground states, Virginia, and its dying GOP, is the victim of mass immigration—illegal and (let it be noted) legal.

    A little history: Democrats haven’t controlled the state top-to-bottom since 1993. That year, they lost the governor’s mansion to George Allen, who won with 58 percent of the vote. Republican Jim Gilmore won in 1997 with 55 percent. Democrat control of the General Assembly dwindled from substantial majorities in the early 90s to razor-thin margins in 1998. Republicans have held the House of Delegates since 2000, and did the same in the Senate for all but four of the 19 years since then. But that changed Tuesday when Democrats won a bare majority in the Senate and a solid majority in the House.

    The D.C. suburbs (“NOVA”) didn’t send a single Republican to Richmond. As well, the commonwealth now suffers under the yoke of a Democratic governor, lieutenant governor, attorney general, and U.S. House and Senate delegations [Democrats flip Virginia Senate and House, taking control of state government for the first time in a generation, by Gregory S. Schneider and Laura Vozzella, the Washington Post, November 5, 2019].

    With the help of governor Ralph Northam, who famously justified infanticide and mysteriously got a pass for wearing blackface, the new Democratic majorities in the General Assembly will aggressively pursue a Leftist agenda. Top priorities: gun control, climate change, and LGBT issues.

    Commentators fingered Trump for the GOP’s loss. “The fact is what we've seen in election after election since Trump has been in office is Democrats outperforming prior performances—and that strength has been rooted in the suburbs. Remember, Republicans lost the House in 2018 because suburban voters turned on Trump and the GOP—and Republicans haven’t fixed that problem,” argued NPR’s Domenico Montanaro [Tuesday's Elections Show Impeachment Might Not Boost GOP As Much As It Hoped, November 6, 2019].

    N.b.: no mention of demographic change. Similarly, the Washington Post’s lengthy “what-happened” story above did not include “demographics” once.

    Whites account for less than 70 percent of Virginia’s votes now. When Republicans last won the governor’s race in 2009, whites were 78 percent of votes cast. Bob McDonnell won 54 percent of the total vote but 67 percent of white votes.

    Statewide exit polls are not available for 2019, but they are for the past three years. Incumbent Sen. Tim Kaine demolished GOP challenger and immigration patriot Corey Stewart in 2018, a 16-point victory helped by timid GOP elites who ran away as the Left and its Cuckservative toadies pilloried Stewart as a “racist” blah blah. Yet Stewart still won 54 percent of the white vote. Whites were 68 percent of the vote in 2018. Stewart only barely lost college-educated whites, 47 percent to Kaine’s 51. In contrast, he won just 14 percent of the non-white vote. Like blacks, immigrants are a solid Democrat constituency.

    Even with the demographics of 2009, Stewart still would have lost. But the race would have been closer. Ed Gillespie, the GOP’s pick for governor in 2017, might have won by a thin margin with 2009’s demographics. But Gillespie lost by nearly nine points to Northam despite the full support of the GOP Establishment. He won just 57 percent of the white vote, which in that year composed 67 percent of the total. See Might As Well Have Said "Please Clap"—Ed Gillespie Ran a JEB! Campaign in a Trump World.

    The figures certainly do show a marked drop in support among college-educated whites. McDonnell won 61 percent of their vote in 2009; Gillespie and Stewart slightly below 50 percent. So yes, a “Great Awokening” has addled some affluent whites in the Trump era. But this year suburban Republicans, after all, did everything possible to distance themselves from Trump and position themselves as “moderates” [In Virginia Election, Suburban Republicans Sound a Lot Like Democrats, by Reid J. Epstein, New York Times, October 31, 2019]. They still lost. Shifting demographics mean that the suburbs themselves are changing.

    Some back-of-the-envelope math shows Gillespie could have won with 65 percent of the white vote, Stewart with 66 percent. In other words, to win in Virginia again, the GOP needs the same level of support from whites, about 67 percent, that McDonnell received in 2009. That should not be impossible.

    And consider this: Trump performed far better in 2016 than any statewide Republican has since his election. He only lost Virginia by five points and received 59 percent of the white vote. He also won the college-educated white vote by four points. Republicans won the majority of Virginia’s U.S. House seats in 2016.

    If Trump is the source of the Virginia GOP’s woes, then why did he perform better than anyone else? Trump would have won Virginia if he enjoyed the state’s 2009 voting demographics; lest we forget, 78 percent of voters were white in 2009; just 67 percent were in 2016.

    And Virginia is much less white than it was 30 years ago. In 1990, its population was 77.4 percent white. In 2000, 72.3. In 2010, it was 68.6 percent. That number is somewhere below 65 percent now. However, most Hispanics were also included in those figures, so the real figure today is likely below 60 percent—and possibly below 55. (Note, however, that raw population is not the same thing as eligible voters—and eligible voters is not the same thing as voters who actually turn out.)

    Northern Virginia has sharply turned away from the GOP, but not just because college-educated white liberals and moderates moved in. Loudoun County is now 66 percent “white,” according to the latest figures. But the true figure is likely closer to 55 percent, again, if one subtracts Hispanics. And that doesn’t count Asians, who make up 17 percent of Loudoun County and don’t vote Republican. Seventy-seven percent of Asian-Americans voted for the Democrats in 2018. Asians comprise more than 6 percent of Virginia’s population.

    There are other factors. Former Gov. Terry McAuliffe gave more than 173,000 felons the right to vote. A reliable Democratic bloc, they could have swung many competitive races. Leftist activists certainly made them a prime target for organizing [The Democratic Surge in Virginia Was a Long Time Coming, by Tram Nguyen, New York Times, November 6, 2019].

    Kritarch-ordered redistricting didn’t help the GOP either. A federal district court recently ordered Virginia to adopt a new redistricting map that up-ended 25 districts. The new map overwhelmingly favored Democrats, and reflects why Slate attributed Tuesday’s results to the court decision [Virginia Democrats’ Victory Proves That Gerrymandering Matters, by Mark Joseph Stern, November 6, 2019].

    But immigration-driven racial shift is the key to the Democratic victory. The same thing is moving other battleground states to the left. Thus Conservative talker Mike Cernovich claims college-educated whites, not immigrants, are making Texas blue:

    But Cernovich’s followers and the data say otherwise, one replying with the image below.

    "White college educated whites are turning Texas blue.

    That's why I'm not sympathetic for Fuentes crew always talking about race.

    Look at data of college educated WHITES, they vote overwhelming anti-Trump."

    But Cernovich’s followers and the data say otherwise, one replying with the image below.



    GOP Gov. Gregg Abbot won 69 percent of the white vote in 2018, including 61 percent of the college-educated white. Sen. Ted Cruz won 66 percent of the white vote in his much closer race against Beto O’Rourke and he still received the majority of the college-educated vote—55 percent.

    But Cruz received just 31 percent of the non-white vote; Abbott netted 36 percent. Whites were only 56 percent of Texas’s voters in 2018. In 2014, whites were 66 percent, which explains Sen. John Cornyn’s 30-point victory. Liberal white transplants aren’t Texas’ problem.

    Ditto for Georgia, another state attracting well-educated whites from Blue states. In the very competitive 2018 gubernatorial race, Republican Brian Kemp won 74 percent of the white vote, including 59 percent of college-educated whites. He earned just 14 percent of the non-white vote. He was elected, narrowly, because white cast just 60 percent of the total vote. In 2014, Sen. David Perdue won his election by eight points when whites cast 64 percent of the votes. Perdue earned the same proportion of white votes as Kemp, but Kemp’s margin of victory was smaller because the non-white vote increased.

    If white liberal transplants were the key factor in these states, then Tennessee should be a battleground. Nashville, after all, is one of the top destinations for well-educated whites. But Tennessee remains safely Republican. The 2018 Senate race between Republican Marsha Blackburn and moderate Democrat Phil Bredesen was supposed to be competitive. Yet Blackburn won by more than 10 points and secured 62 percent of the white vote. She did not do all that well among college-educated whites but did take a majority. That didn’t matter given that 82 percent of the vote was white. Williamson County, a suburb of Nashville, a wealthy suburb similar to Virginia’s Loudon County, is 85 percent non-Hispanic white.

    An infusion of white liberals might make a state a toss-up, but it won’t turn it blue for a long time.

    When or even whether Virginia Republicans will ever be competitive again is an open question. But how to get there isn’t:

    Virginia GOP must increase its share of the white vote—in other words, some version of the Sailer Strategy. This election showed that me-tooism is not the answer.
    Ultimately, there must be an immigration slow-down, ideally a moratorium, if the GOP is to win—in Virginia, and nationally.
    If the Virginia GOP wants to know the future, it should look to California. Opposing immigration restriction is like refusing treatment for cancer.

    Both decisions are fatal.
    https://vdare.com/articles/immigrati...ion-moratorium
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    Originally Posted by bassline8 View Post
    This is all a cope, similar to "It's the DAMN WHITE CALIFORNIANS (and not the 11 million of legal Hispanics) that are turning Texas blue!!!".
    You are just too afraid of being called/perceived a "racist", so you much rather convince yourself to believe a lie and blame the only racial group it is socially acceptable to blame for anything (and everything) - the white people.



    https://vdare.com/articles/immigrati...ion-moratorium
    We do have a problem in the suburbs and with college educated women (college educated men still mostly Conservative) but it pales in comparison to immigration. There's been a heavy campaign of propaganda brainwashing women, especially college educated.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    We do have a problem in the suburbs and with college educated women (college educated men still mostly Conservative) but it pales in comparison to immigration. There's been a heavy campaign of propaganda brainwashing women, especially college educated.
    Why don't you put your money where your mouth is?
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    Originally Posted by bassline8 View Post
    This is all a cope, similar to "It's the DAMN WHITE CALIFORNIANS (and not the 11 million of legal Hispanics) that are turning Texas blue!!!".
    You are just too afraid of being called/perceived a "racist", so you much rather convince yourself to believe a lie and blame the only racial group it is socially acceptable to blame for anything (and everything) - the white people.
    https://vdare.com/articles/immigrati...ion-moratorium
    Article was about how Loudoun County used to be fields thirty years ago (it was I remember it) and now its full of immigrants (its not, its rich white people). There are tons of immigrants there, but they don't live in Loudoun County. Its too expensive. They live in manassas and prince william county.

    I'm basing this on two things:

    1. Telling you what I see living near there. When I go visit friends that live there. Its not immigrants. Its millionaires.

    2. How are a bunch if immigrants buying houses that start at 450k for a townhouse? Answer they are not. There are now six wegmans in loudoun county. Its not the immigrants buying their 100 dollar ready made turkey dinners there I'll tell you that. The people moving into Loudoun County, aka the richest county in the country are not immigrants and the article is wrong.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

    I"m not saying that there are not a lot more immigrants in virginia than there were. They just aren't in loudoun and the article is wrong.

    Rank County State Median Household Income
    1 Loudoun County Virginia
    $134,464
    2 Howard County Maryland
    $120,941
    3 Fairfax County Virginia
    $115,717
    4 Hunterdon County New Jersey
    $113,684
    5 Santa Clara County California
    $111,069
    6 Arlington County Virginia
    $110,388
    Notice three of the richest six counties in the country are northern virginia. Immigrants aren't typically the ones that make that kinda money on average. Its people like my buddy that makes tons of money in tech which is all over northern virginia.
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    You have some poverty immigrants in VA, on my street the average price is mid 500s and almost all my neighbors are Indians.

    Sadly they all voted for Beto,even though they are openly racist and hate the idea of section 8 they are completely clueless politically beyond what TV tells them. When I tell them what they voted for they look confused which would be funny if it weren't so tragic.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    The evidence for the claim that immigration depresses wages generally among the native population doesn't really hold up. Here's a review of some of the literature from Cato:

    https://www.cato.org/cato-journal/fa...n-reduce-wages

    There may be some such effects in very specific types of low skilled work and in the short term, but there is no such overall trend that we can clearly see.

    That said, Republicans should definitely stick to running on a restricted immigration platform (just a less blatantly xenophobic one like trump's) with a view to reduce load on public services such as schools and healthcare. But they need to combine it with actual recognition of the fact that the current trend in wealth inequality is unacceptable and look to many other measures to combat it.
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