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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    I'm not going to dig through your post history. When people brought up the catch and release portions of the spending bill, you said you were officially done with Trump if he signed. He eventually signed it. You can deny that you said that, but I am 100% you said that. I called you out on it later and you ignored me.

    I don't believe in frivolous spending and mention the country as a whole is living beyond it's means all the time. How easy is it to save if you've started a family, bought a decent house and have to make mortgage payments, want to take your family on one vacation a year?

    You realize Microsoft and Apple are two of the biggest companies lobbying for more immigration so they can have cheap labor and undercut wages? I just read a great article by Michelle Malkin about how Microsoft is both lobbying for DACA amnesty and more H1Bs. And here you are in a thread about the consequences about mass immigration talking about Microsoft stock, as if that is what is important.

    Find the post or you’re all hearsay (which is now considered evidence under the democucks) Learn to read and understand context btw. You’re still pointing the finger at everyone else for your failures.
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    Water is wet. Question is why people whine about this, and still vote for the same people in Congress, and State/Local elections. Those are the people who ebable this stuff. Literally took an EO jsut to stop the refugge push from them. Where was the outrage in 2018?
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    don't worry bro the culties here think everything's okay and republicans will never lose another election let alone 2020
    Aliens shouldn’t be allowed to vote for 25 years after becoming citizens. This should have been an amendment from 1789 but they didn’t think of it then. Now we’re increasingly affected by aliens.
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    Originally Posted by DeshaunWatson View Post
    Find the post or you’re all hearsay (which is now considered evidence under the democucks) Learn to read and understand context btw. You’re still pointing the finger at everyone else for your failures.
    Okay fat retard with a pro athlete as his username, something I'd expect from a 13 year old. You have a 90 IQ and are derailing this thread with garbage posts. Stop embarrassing yourself, on one hand complaining about mass immigration and on the other praising soulless corporations, who are the driving force behind mass immigration, too dumb to see the contradiction.
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    What is the issue with legal immigrants voting in their correct districts?
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    Originally Posted by Ten_Hearts View Post
    What is the issue with legal immigrants voting in their correct districts?
    Just that they're ruining the country.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    Okay fat retard with a pro athlete as his username, something I'd expect from a 13 year old. You have a 90 IQ and are derailing this thread with garbage posts. Stop embarrassing yourself, on one hand complaining about mass immigration and on the other praising soulless corporations, who are the driving force behind mass immigration, too dumb to see the contradiction.

    I’m far from fat...swing and a miss. Love when non-avi’s name call.


    No one is to blame except the lazy Americans who don’t want to work. Again, why is that my problem? You will always have lazy people and you’ll always have low class living above their means.



    Idgaf about immigration as long as they come in legally and assimilate to our countries values. Same with every other republican.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    Okay fat retard with a pro athlete as his username, something I'd expect from a 13 year old. You have a 90 IQ and are derailing this thread with garbage posts. Stop embarrassing yourself, on one hand complaining about mass immigration and on the other praising soulless corporations, who are the driving force behind mass immigration, too dumb to see the contradiction.
    Damn bro, where did the "Jews" touch you? You're a weirdly, unhinged anti-Semite. You just have to accept what the world will become and stop being so angry. The western world and values will inevitably die at the hands of our politicians. The USA along with the majority of Europe has lost the power struggle to globalists. The only thing left to do is focus on yourself and loved one and try your best to better their lives before everything goes to ****. That also means investing. You should see my 401K. It's skyrocketed under Trump. I hope you've been investing, otherwise you missed one of the greatest rallies in history.
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    Originally Posted by DeshaunWatson View Post
    I’m far from fat...swing and a miss. Love when non-avi’s name call.


    No one is to blame except the lazy Americans who don’t want to work. Again, why is that my problem? You will always have lazy people and you’ll always have low class living above their means.



    Idgaf about immigration as long as they come in legally and assimilate to our countries values. Same with every other republican.
    Nope most Republicans want less immigration. Thanks for admitting you don't understand the article in the op, or data and historical trends. Now go suck off Microsoft and Apple in your own thread like a good cuck.
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    Originally Posted by Johnez View Post
    I guess the silver lining with amnesty is that at least they'll be paying taxes, SS and Medicare anyway... I guess I picked a chit time to swing right.
    That's not exactly how that works.

    It means their net cost increases dramatically with additonal lifetime welfare use and now they can bring their extended families over to consume welfare at the same rate.
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    Originally Posted by SaltyDog920 View Post
    Damn bro, where did the "Jews" touch you? You're a weirdly, unhinged anti-Semite. You just have to accept what the world will become and stop being so angry. The western world and values will inevitably die at the hands of our politicians. The USA along with the majority of Europe has lost the power struggle to globalists. The only thing left to do is focus on yourself and loved one and try your best to better their lives before everything goes to ****. That also means investing. You should see my 401K. It's skyrocketed under Trump. I hope you've been investing, otherwise you missed one of the greatest rallies in history.
    Coming from the guy who gets so triggered over criticizing gay lifestyles lol. I'd rather not accept it and fight for a moral, decent place for my kids and their kids to grow up. Not giving in to globalists.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    depends. why is one party not able to appeal to some voters? If you think immigration will result in republicans losing then there must be some reason immigrants won't vote for republicans.

    1 in 10 isn't that much. won't even reach 10% of voters.
    Small govt, individualism and constitutionalism are things that very, very, very, very few people IN HISTORY wanted, let alone people now

    It was the great American experiment and it worked for a while

    The republican party doesn't really care about those things anymore, but it pretends to and that puts off people who want bigger govt and collectivism (most people already in the USA and those who come here)
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    Coming from the guy who gets so triggered over criticizing gay lifestyles lol.
    OmgMGG@!11 Stop derailing this thread! Go suck of Microsoft and Apple!2121

    Your rage is off the charts. We all know globalists are pond scum, but damn bro, you gotta get that rage in check.
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    Originally Posted by Inspirationbro View Post
    Why is globalism bad though? Couldn't the Republicans embrace globalism too? Why do we have to see things as a zero sum situation where you feel Americans are being replaced? In reality, it's just more Americans are being added. Obviously, as population grows, your individual democratic power declines. I also don't see why this has to be a white/nonwhite issue even though you are right that nonwhites tend to vote Dem. But what can be done about that? It doesn't help that many vocal people from the RNC are unapologetically racially biased. Minorities don't feel welcome in the RNC.

    We live in a global economy now, and businesses realize restricting attention to only one nation's markets is not as lucrative as looking globally. The US will attract many people from all over the world. It has become a melting pot, and while this can challenge tradition and the old way of life, it's an inevitable growing pain of the country.
    Equilibrium. Mix higher wages / better standard of living with crappy wages and standard of living, everyone ends somewhere in between. The US will only go down.
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    Originally Posted by Inspirationbro View Post
    Suppose country A can make x really well, but isn't as good at making y. And suppose country B can make y really well, but cannot make x as well. It makes sense for them to both trade and be better off. The same holds for labor and other things. If some country produces better engineers who can do more with less, it makes more sense for the economy to make use of them. The equilibrium should lead to everyone being better off.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    Nope most Republicans want less immigration. Thanks for admitting you don't understand the article in the op, or data and historical trends. Now go suck off Microsoft and Apple in your own thread like a good cuck.


    I didn’t read the OP...as you can see my comment was responding to someone crying about inequality (usually happens from poor financial decisions and also basic life decisions with your career path). I’m going to pray for you tonight after my cock exits your moms throat.




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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    That's one possible example. I just read an article about it and even the ecomomist who first pointed out the possible flaw doesn't write off the possibility that large scale immigration can depress wages. Dude, you aren't stupid. It's supply and demand. Draw a supply and demand graph, shift the supply to the right. Notice what happens to the price or wage in our case?

    Explain how some H1B guy getting a programming or accounting job makes life better for the middle class or college grads needing a decent salary to pay off loans and start a life? It benefits the visa receipent and business owners only. Not to mention the increased housing costs and much more caused by immigrants. Supply and demand.
    It really isn't that simple at all. Borjas himself found that in the long run, the only demographic where immigration leads to decreased wages was high school dropouts (who saw a 4.8% decrease). Other levels of education saw basically no change in long term wages:

    https://www.econlib.org/archives/200..._wages_an.html

    And these are the findings of the most anti-immigration mainstream economics professor in the entire field. Findings which are disputed further by most other economists. So there is really nothing close to a well substantiated argument that immigration depresses wages long term and across the board.

    Whilst immigration does increase the supply of labour (as does native people...having children), it also increases demand for goods and services in the economy. It creates economic growth and businesses expand and so hire more staff. This is why the actual numbers don't show what you are claiming they show.

    The population of the US increased massively in the 19th and 20th Century - did wages not go up? Conservatives always remind us that economics isn't a fixed pie and that there isn't a fixed amount of wealth to go around but they seem to throw this idea completely out of the window when it comes to their favourite hot button issue of muh immigrants.
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    Republicans can say bye bye to holding the highest office after Trump. Winning 2020 is just delaying the inevitable. The momentum is entirely on the Democrat/liberal/blue side.

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    He's not psychotic or evil. I have argued with him a lot and come to understand. He sees his people as being replaced and the identity of the nation slowly being lost. He wants to see a unified America, the same as everyone else does, but he has identified race and what is predominantly labeled "anglo culture" as the theme that should unify the country. It's easy to label someone racist and then just dismiss them. His complaints are valid. There is a decline in the white population. Nonwhites do tend to vote Democrat and the Democrats have values in very sharp contrast to what the US has traditionally had. I feel the racial aspect isn't the main source of the issue here, but it was bound to come up.

    Whites aren’t having kids. Other races are popping them out knowing they will receive aid. I’m a nationalist as much as anyone else. White folks are smarter with finances than the minorities. Nothing you can do to control these people popping out kids unless you cut off social programs or set a law with how many kids you can pop out (which I’m totally for both)




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    I didn’t read the OP...as you can see my comment was responding to someone crying about inequality (usually happens from poor financial decisions and also basic life decisions with your career path). I’m going to pray for you tonight after my cock exits your moms throat.




    Also Lol at you adding an avi after being called out. My job is done. Another one bites the dust




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    You have a gut and toothpick arms. People in my family are attractive, no female family or friend of mine would give you the time of day skinny fat retard.

    So you come in here spouting off about the stock market from a legit criticism about wealth inequality and the destruction of the middle class to own the libs (when that lib is much smarter than you.) But your point is retarded because first of all the top 20% own 80% of stocks, and if you're investing in the market, it should probably just sit their to use after retirement. If you're a young guy with a family and mortgage payments, the stock market isn't helping you.

    I've explained multiple times why Apple and Microsoft stock going up is negative and how they're destructive to the country. None of which you responded to because you're a retard who has no response. You're so proud of yourself with line about buying Jordans thinking it's the amazing breakthrough LOL, embarrassing.

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    It really isn't that simple at all. Borjas himself found that in the long run, the only demographic where immigration leads to decreased wages was high school dropouts (who saw a 4.8% decrease). Other levels of education saw basically no change in long term wages:

    https://www.econlib.org/archives/200..._wages_an.html

    And these are the findings of the most anti-immigration mainstream economics professor in the entire field. Findings which are disputed further by most other economists. So there is really nothing close to a well substantiated argument that immigration depresses wages long term and across the board.

    Whilst immigration does increase the supply of labour (as does native people...having children), it also increases demand for goods and services in the economy. It creates economic growth and businesses expand and so hire more staff. This is why the actual numbers don't show what you are claiming they show.

    The population of the US increased massively in the 19th and 20th Century - did wages not go up? Conservatives always remind us that economics isn't a fixed pie and that there isn't a fixed amount of wealth to go around but they seem to throw this idea completely out of the window when it comes to their favourite hot button issue of muh immigrants.
    Yeah you know how Bassline posted that chart where before 1965, wages and productivity went up together and then after we opened the floodgates wages got stagnant? Immigration. Not to mention the massive increase in housing and cost of living overall because of immigration. Your guy Yang's housing plan is chit micro apartments because of immigration.

    California is less wealth than it was 50 years ago because of immigration. California has some of the worst income inequality because of mass immigration. You can't compare the Industrial Revolution and periods of development with current times of maturity and slow growth.
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    Originally Posted by Inspirationbro View Post
    But hasn't our economy grown and made it easier for people to have things they wouldn't otherwise have? Our main issue with prices isn't globalization. It's population growth. If we didn't globalize, prices would be even higher...
    How is it beneficial for Americans having to compete with the whole world for jobs/housing/resources? Who cares about being able to buy an 60" inch TV for 400 bucks when the average person cannot afford a house and a family? Is it the American dream to go $80,000 in debt studying STEM so a company can hire some H1B pajeet for half of your wage instead?

    Question:
    How much money has been looted from the US tech workers approximately so far with the H-1B visa bill?

    Answer:

    Approximate total number of people employed as Software Engineers in the US = 1 million

    BLS data on the Software Engineer employment can be found here:
    http://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-...developers.htm

    Main figures and assumptions:

    # of visas issued = approximately 100,000 visas/year “every year over the last 15 years”

    Difference in wages (less wages) paid to each of the above H-1B visa holder (when compared to a US STEM worker)= $30,000/visa/year (If you look at the DOL wages, you will find that the difference in wage is even greater, but I have used this wage difference for illustration purposes)

    Approximate wage of a US STEM worker assumed = $100,000 / year (from BLS data it is slightly lower, but I have used this for illustration)

    Loss calculation for tech workers:
    Approximate loss just from recruiting these H-1B visa holders instead of US tech workers and paying them approximately $30K below market wages
    = 100,000 visas/year * $30,000 /visa/year = $3 billion/year

    Approximate loss from exactly one US tech worker laid off for each H-1B visa issued
    = 100,000 visas/year * $100,000 /US worker laid off/year = $10 billion/year

    In addition, 2 to 4 additional US software engineers in the US are usually laid off (sometimes with a few months lag so that the US software engineers can transfer knowledge to the outsourcing firm workers before they are laid off) for each H-1B visa issued to the outsourcing firm (one H-1B visa holder usually will “manage” around 10 to 20 engineers in “back offices in poor countries” and the work will be slowly transferred from the US and after a few months/years permanently out of US). The H-1B visa holder is the “anchor” who is imported into the US precisely for this reason. i.e., to move projects out of US.

    Approximate Loss from 2 additional US tech workers laid off per year for every H-1B visa issued
    = 100,000 visas * $200,000 (wages of 2 additional US workers laid off/visa/year) = $20 billion/year

    Approximate Loss from overall wage reductions to US tech worker wages (a minimal amount assumed at $5000/US tech worker/year) due to excessive oversupply achieved through these “indentured laborers on H-1B visas”
    = 1 million US Software engineers * $5,000 per US Software Engineer per year = $5 billion/year

    Total Loss for tech workers in the US “per year” = 3 + 10 + 20 + 5 = $38 billion

    = Total Loss for tech workers “over the last 15 years since this H-1B gravy train started”

    = 15 years * $38 billion/year = $570 billion

    There might be some disagreements about the figures used above and good labor market researchers can use their own figures. But it should be obvious that the loss for US tech workers over the last 15 years through these “H-1B visas” are in the hundreds of billions of dollars, regardless of the assumptions used above.

    In addition, there are additional losses to the society through downstream wage loss (workers who rely on US tech worker spending), federal income tax losses, FICA tax losses, property tax losses, sales tax losses etc., I have not even included these societal losses in the above calculation.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    Yeah you know how Bassline posted that chart where before 1965, wages and productivity went up together and then after we opened the floodgates wages got stagnant? Immigration. Not to mention the massive increase in housing and cost of living overall because of immigration. Your guy Yang's housing plan is chit micro apartments because of immigration.

    California is less wealth than it was 50 years ago because of immigration. California has some of the worst income inequality because of mass immigration. You can't compare the Industrial Revolution and periods of development with current times of maturity and slow growth.
    Again that's just not what the research shows, sorry. Even your boy Borjas didn't come to that conclusion over the long term, which means you aren't making an evidence based claim here.

    I'm not even claiming that immigration can't have downward effects of wages in certain scenarios and in certain time frames. Or that very high levels of immigration can't have other negative consequences. However both the claim that:

    1) Immigration over long term broadly depresses wages for all levels of workers
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    2) Immigration is the primary reason for flat wages and the struggling middle class over the past century

    Are completely unsubstantiated so far. If it is infact a factor, there isn't anything to suggest it is the main reason why things are going to **** for everyone but the 1%.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    Again that's just not what the research shows, sorry. Even your boy Borjas didn't come to that conclusion over the long term, which means you aren't making an evidence based claim here.

    I'm not even claiming that immigration can't have downward effects of wages in certain scenarios and in certain time frames. Or that very high levels of immigration can't have other negative consequences, However both the claim that:

    1) Immigration over long term broadly depresses wages for all levels of workers
    and
    2) Immigration is the primary reason for flat wages and the struggling middle class over the past century

    Are completely unsubstantiated so far. If it a factor, there isn't anything to suggest it is the main reason why things are going to **** for everyone but the 1%.
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    Just that they're ruining the country.
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    Bottom line, our current rates of LEGAL immigration will end American sovereignty and the constitution as tens of millions of in sourced voters empower very hard left politicians who plan on doing just that. Not too mention the domino effect of completely gutting our military to help finance it. Because of that, being for very for limited, controlled legal immigration does not make one a bigot.

    No one would call gay people bigots if the Pat Robertsons of the world controlled American media and we were purposefully bringing tens of millions of hard right voters that empowered and permanently tipped the electoral scale to politicians that wanted to end the rights of gay people.

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    We're going to have to organize a true right wing, nationalist, patriotic revolution to protect the country.

    We can't be selfish cowards and complacent and indifferent towards it any longer. The OP and so many others issuing these warnings are correct. It's either come together and organize our own better resistance, our see our children and the country destroyed.
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