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    don't worry bro the culties here think everything's okay and republicans will never lose another election let alone 2020
    Don't worry Tammy, Canada's next.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    Wrong. The #1 way for the Republican party to hold onto the last bit of legitimacy they have left is to acknowledge and address the problems of growing wealth inequality, a struggling working class, poverty etc.

    As long as they continue to champion Jeff Bezos's on paper net worth over the needs of everyone else they don't have a chance in hell of surviving.

    Things like guns and trannies don't swing people from one side to the other for the most part.
    If Democrats actually cared about those economic issues, they'd be trying to lower immigration levels. Dick Durbin put forward a plan recently to double the number of green cards but it got blocked by Sen. Kennedy R-Louisiana.

    I agree Rs should be more socially conservative and fiscally focused on families and the working class instead of the wealthy. Everything to me is about being pro nuclear family.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    If Democrats actually cared about those economic issues, they'd be trying to lower immigration levels. Dick Durbin put forward a plan recently to double the number of green cards but it got blocked by Sen. Kennedy R-Louisiana.

    I agree Rs should be more socially conservative and fiscally focused on families and the working class instead of liberals. Everything to me is about being pro nuclear family.
    The evidence for the claim that immigration depresses wages generally among the native population doesn't really hold up. Here's a review of some of the literature from Cato:

    https://www.cato.org/cato-journal/fa...n-reduce-wages

    There may be some such effects in very specific types of low skilled work and in the short term, but there is no such overall trend that we can clearly see.

    That said, Republicans should definitely stick to running on a restricted immigration platform (just a less blatantly xenophobic one like trump's) with a view to reduce load on public services such as schools and healthcare. But they need to combine it with actual recognition of the fact that the current trend in wealth inequality is unacceptable and look to many other measures to combat it.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    The evidence for the claim that immigration depresses wages generally among the native population doesn't really hold up. Here's a review of some of the literature from Cato:

    https://www.cato.org/cato-journal/fa...n-reduce-wages

    There may be some such effects in very specific types of low skilled work and in the short term, but there is no such overall trend that we can clearly see.

    That said, Republicans should definitely stick to running on a restricted immigration platform (just a less blatantly xenophobic one like trump's) with a view to reduce load on public services such as schools and healthcare. But they need to combine it with actual recognition of the fact that the current trend in wealth inequality is unacceptable and look to many other measures to combat it.
    LOL at complaining about wealth inequality and then citing a propaganda source entirely funded by wealth business owners who want cheap labor like the Koch brothers. The laws of supply and demand apply to the labor market like any other. Nearly all of the wealth created by immigrants go to themselves and wealthy business owners at the top while the middle and working class get screwed.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    The evidence for the claim that immigration depresses wages generally among the native population doesn't really hold up. Here's a review of some of the literature from Cato:

    https://www.cato.org/cato-journal/fa...n-reduce-wages

    There may be some such effects in very specific types of low skilled work and in the short term, but there is no such overall trend that we can clearly see.

    That said, Republicans should definitely stick to running on a restricted immigration platform (just a less blatantly xenophobic one like trump's) with a view to reduce load on public services such as schools and healthcare. But they need to combine it with actual recognition of the fact that the current trend in wealth inequality is unacceptable and look to many other measures to combat it.
    What?


    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-s-immigrants/
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    Originally Posted by bassline8 View Post
    Well, seeing how the US will be permanently blue after 2024, I'm sure the multinational globalists are shaking in their boots. That's why the mainstream media, which is completely owned by the multinational globalists, is shilling for the DNC and leftist causes 24/7.
    Sanders is not owned by corporate power and he is one of the few to call them out. He is 100% against free trade to protect the American workers and families.

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    America is going to crash and burn long before AOC can be added to Rushmore. America has been great because of the people. Change the people, change the results.
    Meh. The world is globalizing at an unprecedented pace and it isn't stopping. The borders and separation you're clinging on to are going to be obliterated and become a thing of the past. All of these superficial distinctions like skin color and the primitive belief of one's superiority are going to no longer exist and people are going to be facing global issues as one species under one government and planet.

    America has always been a nation of immigrants. And although not minority white, there was always progress being made and conservatives claiming America was great and is going to become worse. But as humanity advances and progress is made it's difficult to imagine going back to more primitive beliefs like separating blacks from whites or women not being allowed to vote. Those would be taboo now.

    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Don't worry Tammy, Canada's next.
    I'm aware the shift is happening on a global scale as illustrated in my last post. If a country wants to conserve it's unique culture, history and way of life i'm all for that. There's nothing racist about that and I could defend that position against a lib any day of the week. It's when people think whites are superior and need to be maintained as the majority that it becomes problematic and fallible.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    The evidence for the claim that immigration depresses wages generally among the native population doesn't really hold up. Here's a review of some of the literature from Cato:

    https://www.cato.org/cato-journal/fa...n-reduce-wages

    There may be some such effects in very specific types of low skilled work and in the short term, but there is no such overall trend that we can clearly see.
    This. When talking about immigrant workers, the simple concept of supply and demand suddenly does not work, as the Koch-founded Cato Institute has found.



    This graph has nothing to do with the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, it's purely a coincidence, correlation does not equal causation, etc.

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    Sanders is not owned by corporate power and he is one of the few to call them out. He is 100% against free trade to protect the American workers and families.
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    Originally Posted by ImBunky View Post
    What does this have to do with anything I said grandad?
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    Regarding immigration's supposed economic benefits benefits check out We Wanted Workers by George Borjas. He explains 95% of the benefits accrued by immigrants accrued to the immigrants themselves.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    Regarding immigration's supposed economic benefits benefits check out We Wanted Workers by George Borjas. He explains 95% of the benefits accrued by immigrants accrued to the immigrants themselves.
    Borjas's work has been fairly heavily criticised and there's a lot of evidence to the contrary of his findings. Even the Cato article I linked above digs into it.

    As is quite often the case with conservative policies, zealots find one piece of research which is either misrepresented, or contradicts the vast majority of other better quality and more contemporary evidence on the subject, but continue to use it for years and decades.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    Meh. The world is globalizing at an unprecedented pace and it isn't stopping. The borders and separation you're clinging on to are going to be obliterated and become a thing of the past. All of these superficial distinctions like skin color and the primitive belief of one's superiority are going to no longer exist and people are going to be facing global issues as one species under one government and planet.

    America has always been a nation of immigrants. And although not minority white, there was always progress being made and conservatives claiming America was great and is going to become worse. But as humanity advances and progress is made it's difficult to imagine going back to more primitive beliefs like separating blacks from whites or women not being allowed to vote. Those would be taboo now.
    America was a nation of European immigrants who believed in the culture and traditions of America and worked hard to assimilate up until 1965. Don't try to twist and lie about history like I always see. The fact you boil race down to skin color only is another piece of propaganda/talking point I see spewed often which is just not accurate. There are many differences between races beyond skin color.

    Globalization is going to lead to rough times. Because you have people living with each other who have nothing in common who will grow to resent each other, which is already happening. It is a perfect recipe for unrest. You also have the breakdown of sovereignty, which means the government won't be accountable to the people, it will be unaccountable elitist transnational globalists who think they're smarter than everyone running things, which is just going to further the unrest. This utopia you liberals have of a world without borders, race, religion, ect... ain't going to happen. Unrest and violence.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    Borjas's work has been fairly heavily criticised and there's a lot of evidence to the contrary of his findings. Even the Cato article I linked above digs into it.

    As is quite often the case with conservative policies, zealots find one piece of research which is either misrepresented, or contradicts the vast majority of other better quality and more contemporary evidence on the subject, but continue to use it for years and decades.
    No Borjas is one of the best and most well respected and well researched economists on the issue of immigration. You're citing a garbage propaganda site funded by the Koch brothers and their ilk designed to push immigration because it's in their own economic interests and you claim to be a leftist against income inequality LOL.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    America was a nation of European immigrants who believed in the culture and traditions of America and worked hard to assimilate up until 1965.


    People were lied to back then, people are lied to now.
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    Imagine supporting the party the America hating immigrants support.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    No Borjas is one of the best and most well respected and well researched economists on the issue of immigration. You're citing a garbage propaganda site funded by the Koch brothers and their ilk designed to push immigration because it's in their own economic interests and you claim to be a leftist against income inequality LOL.
    Look at some of the analyses done by economists on the Mariel Boatlift, that Borjas did a recent study on which is where a lot of his immigration and wage ideas come from.

    Basically every economist out there came to the opposite conclusion of Borjas. Borjas deliberately cherrypicks a very specific demographic with a tiny sample size that shows the conclusion he wants to show, ignoring that the broad trend is the exact opposite of his conclusion. Read into it if you are actually interested.

    Then everyone who wants to push the anti immigration narrative jumps on this highly spurious piece of evidence and never lets it go.
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    Imagine supporting the party the America hating immigrants support.
    Another point to Tamorlane, it is also false to say borders and identity are breaking down everywhere by globalization. Japan, Israel, China, Russia, Hungary, Poland, and most countries in fact, work to keep their identity and borders intact. This globalization, multicultural crap is a movement being pushed almost exclusively in white, western countries. That is fact. It is possible to resist as plenty of other examples prove.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    Another point to Tamorlane, it is also false to say borders and identity are breaking down everywhere by globalization. Japan, Israel, China, Russia, Hungary, Poland, and most countries in fact, work to keep their identity and borders intact. This globalization, multicultural crap is a movement being pushed almost exclusively in white, western countries. That is fact. It is possible to resist as plenty of other examples prove.
    Yep, White people are THE global minority yet I've NEVER heard anyone call to make a non-white country more white.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    America was a nation of European immigrants who believed in the culture and traditions of America and worked hard to assimilate up until 1965. Don't try to twist and lie about history like I always see. The fact you boil race down to skin color only is another piece of propaganda/talking point I see spewed often which is just not accurate. There are many differences between races beyond skin color.
    Democratic principles and those found in the tradition of European immigrants and early America are not unique to nor monopolized by white people. The Chinese people of Hong Kong are far more 'American-like' than the mainland Chinese. Are those people just trying to be white? Or are they perhaps gravitating toward something all humans would desire such as human rights?

    Skin color and racial differences are superficial in the grand scheme of things, especially in terms of making progress and solving problems. Even more so when solving problems that all human races face such as threats to the planet (ie. global warming, space travel and occupancy, AI, internet, etc.)

    Globalization is going to lead to rough times. Because you have people living with each other who have nothing in common who will grow to resent each other, which is already happening. It is a perfect recipe for unrest. You also have the breakdown of sovereignty, which means the government won't be accountable to the people, it will be unaccountable elitist transnational globalists who think they're smarter than everyone running things, which is just going to further the unrest. This utopia you liberals have of a world without borders, race, religion, ect... ain't going to happen. Unrest and violence.
    I agree any significant and dramatic paradigm shift is going to cause civil unrest. These things rarely happen smoothly and without problems. I'm sure problems came up that the conservatives pointed to during the ending of slavery. The first time a former slave killed someone i'm sure conservatives were plastering it all over the newspapers.

    A more pressing issue is the incoming surveillance state that is going to wage a continuous war on everyone's privacy.

    I'm not a liberal and I don't believe in utopias. I want to live in a world where the government works for the people and not a small group of people calling the shots in their own favor. You complain about the multinationals owning everything in the future, they already own the United States. That's the entirety of the problem, it's why people can't figure out why the government doesn't work for them, and why Sanders is one of the only politicians to do anything about it. Trump puts the CEO of Exxon as Sec. of State and the guy quits calling him a fuking moron. Definitely sounds like the swamp got drained.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    Look at some of the analyses done by economists on the Mariel Boatlift, that Borjas did a recent study on which is where a lot of his immigration and wage ideas come from.

    Basically every economist out there came to the opposite conclusion of Borjas. Borjas deliberately cherrypicks a very specific demographic with a tiny sample size that shows the conclusion he wants to show, ignoring that the broad trend is the exact opposite of his conclusion. Read into it if you are actually interested.

    Then everyone who wants to push the anti immigration narrative jumps on this highly spurious piece of evidence and never lets it go.
    That's one possible example. I just read an article about it and even the ecomomist who first pointed out the possible flaw doesn't write off the possibility that large scale immigration can depress wages. Dude, you aren't stupid. It's supply and demand. Draw a supply and demand graph, shift the supply to the right. Notice what happens to the price or wage in our case?

    Explain how some H1B guy getting a programming or accounting job makes life better for the middle class or college grads needing a decent salary to pay off loans and start a life? It benefits the visa receipent and business owners only. Not to mention the increased housing costs and much more caused by immigrants. Supply and demand.
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    Wrong. The #1 way for the Republican party to hold onto the last bit of legitimacy they have left is to acknowledge and address the problems of growing wealth inequality, a struggling working class, poverty etc. Trump won the swing states because he claimed he was going to tackle these issues for blue collar workers (obviously he didn't because he's a fraud).

    As long as they continue to champion Jeff Bezos's on paper net worth over the needs of everyone else they don't have a chance in hell of surviving.

    Things like guns and trannies don't swing people from one side to the other for the most part.

    My wealth has grown under trump. Got my first good job and I’m now investing money every week. It’s not hard to be a millionaire folks. The low class spend like wild animals and buy things they don’t need. That’s not Trumps fault.
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    Originally Posted by DeshaunWatson View Post
    My wealth has grown under trump. Got my first good job and I’m now investing money every week. It’s not hard to be a millionaire folks. The low class spend like wild animals and buy things they don’t need. That’s not Trumps fault.
    Gay. This isn't a Trump cheerleading thread and no one cares. A thread about demographics and some retard in here talking about the stock market.
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    Another point to Tamorlane, it is also false to say borders and identity are breaking down everywhere by globalization. Japan, Israel, China, Russia, Hungary, Poland, and most countries in fact, work to keep their identity and borders intact. This globalization, multicultural crap is a movement being pushed almost exclusively in white, western countries. That is fact. It is possible to resist as plenty of other examples prove.
    You should read up on future trends in politics, science and technology to get a better understanding of where we are heading. It's one of the reasons I would also advocate learning a lot about human history because you can get a better idea of where we came from, where we are and where we are headed. Globalization is an unprecedented and unstoppable trend that is going to continuously be facilitated by advancements in technology, for the same reasons we are seeing mass migrations happening now.

    'Thomas Friedman argued that the era of globalization has been characterized by the democratization of technology, democratization of finance, and democratization of information. Technology has been critical in the latter two processes, facilitating the rapid expansion of access to specialized knowledge and tools, as well as changing the way that people view and demand such access.'

    Some countries will be resistant, but that doesn't mean they will survive the next 100-200 years. They will likely all be homogenized, just as the US dollar is the global currency, and just as UN was created out of necessity. The UN represents the old ways of state sovereignty not being sufficient for modern times, they needed a newfound solution to a new problem.

    Just as the old kingdoms fell to sovereign states with drawn-out borders, so too will sovereign states and borders erode and be replaced with a world government. It makes sense. Countries and borders and languages may still exist, but their power and authority will weaken to the point of uselessness. Human rights and things like the ICC will be the norm. The elite that control the world now will love a one world government. That means no more rogue states to give them trouble.

    All of the hyper-nationalist states like China, Japan, Russia and Saudi Arabia will be interesting to see how they transition. As you said, it will be far easier for the western liberal democracies, but much harder for the nationalists protecting their borders and sovereignty. Still, it's an inevitable battle they are going to lose. The universe is against them.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    Gay. This isn't a Trump cheerleading thread and no one cares.
    My response was to a clown talking about wealth inequality.


    No one to blame for being a loser except by looking into the mirror. Make the change and cut your spending and throw it in the market.


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    Originally Posted by DeshaunWatson View Post
    My wealth has grown under trump. Got my first good job and I’m now investing money every week. It’s not hard to be a millionaire folks. The low class spend like wild animals and buy things they don’t need. That’s not Trumps fault.
    Dude is a Yang supporter, all about the handouts.
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    Originally Posted by DeshaunWatson View Post
    My response was to a clown talking about wealth inequality.


    No one to blame for being a loser except by looking into the mirror. Make the change and cut your spending and throw it in the market.


    Apple is up 129% in the last 5 years.
    Microsoft is up 195% in the last 5 years.
    Wealth inequality and the destruction of the middle class is a problem.

    I remember a post by you about a certain omnibus spending bill where you claimed if Trump signed it, you were officially off the Trump train. I even asked you about it around a month later. Are you off the Trump train? I bet you don't even remember that, but I do because I'm a lot smarter than you.

    I don't need some phaggot in my thread derailing the topic talking about Apple and Microsost stock like we give a chit. Two of the biggest companies advocating for mass immigration to screw the middle class and enrich the top. I have an idea? Why don't we just open the borders and let them have all the cheap labor they want at the cost of Americans? That will be sure to drive up corporate profits and their stock price!

    I appreciate the inspiration you provided by saying, "hey even a retard like me can make money in America." Thanks retard.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    Wealth inequality and the destruction of the middle class is a problem.

    I remember a post by you about a certain omnibus spending bill where you claimed if Trump signed it, you were officially off the Trump train. I even asked you about it around a month later. Are you off the Trump train? I bet you don't even remember that, but I do because I'm a lot smarter than you.

    I don't need some phaggot in my thread derailing the topic talking about Apple and Microsost stock like we give a chit. Two of the biggest companies advocating for mass immigration to screw the middle class and enrich the top. I have an idea? Why don't we just open the borders and let them have all the cheap labor they want at the cost of Americans? That will be sure to drive up corporate profits and their stock price!

    I appreciate the inspiration you provided by saying, "hey even a retard like me can make money in America." Thanks retard.


    Find the post where I was “off” the trump train. I’m picking Trump over any one on the left any day of the year. I don’t have to agree with everything the president does. I’m not a leftist cuck.




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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    Wealth inequality and the destruction of the middle class is a problem.
    They all should just invest in Microsoft and Apple and become rich, bro.
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    Originally Posted by bassline8 View Post
    They all should just invest in Microsoft and Apple and become rich, bro.

    Keep buying your Jordan’s. That’s how pathetic you people are. It was an example of what you’re missing out on. There’s always going to be super wealthy people. They innovated while others didn’t. Lol at hating them from jealousy.
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    Originally Posted by DeshaunWatson View Post
    Find the post where I was “off” the trump train. I’m picking Trump over any one on the left any day of the year. I don’t have to agree with everything the president does. I’m not a leftist cuck.




    Enjoy being poor and stick to buying your Jordan’s and yeezys every week so you can look rich to the public. Shoot, maybe you’ll work for me one day when I open shop!
    I'm not going to dig through your post history. When people brought up the catch and release portions of the spending bill, you said you were officially done with Trump if he signed. He eventually signed it. You can deny that you said that, but I am 100% you said that. I called you out on it later and you ignored me.

    I don't believe in frivolous spending and mention the country as a whole is living beyond it's means all the time. How easy is it to save if you've started a family, bought a decent house and have to make mortgage payments, want to take your family on one vacation a year?

    You realize Microsoft and Apple are two of the biggest companies lobbying for more immigration so they can have cheap labor and undercut wages? I just read a great article by Michelle Malkin about how Microsoft is both lobbying for DACA amnesty and more H1Bs. And here you are in a thread about the consequences about mass immigration talking about Microsoft stock, as if that is what is important.
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    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post

    Demographics are destiny. Prove me wrong with examples and data.
    depends. why is one party not able to appeal to some voters? If you think immigration will result in republicans losing then there must be some reason immigrants won't vote for republicans.

    1 in 10 isn't that much. won't even reach 10% of voters.
    Is there no limit to what people will believe if it is prefaced by the phrase,
    "Scientists say" ?

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