Reply
Results 1 to 14 of 14
  1. #1
    Registered User SmithJLee's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2019
    Age: 54
    Posts: 28
    Rep Power: 0
    SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10)
    SmithJLee is offline

    Mid-20th century myths & lies about weight training still common today

    I was born in the 1960s. My dad was born in the 1940s and he believed all of the lies people used to tell about people who train with weights. When I started becoming interested in weight training he flipped his lid. He told me that "weightlifters" (his generic term for bodybuilders, weightlifters, powerlifters, etc.) were all gay, they were all going to die early, they were all going to be racked with arthritis by the time they're 40, etc.

    I don't know why people on the internet still stun me but here I am stunned. On another forum (the subject matter of which is not fitness or 'lifting') someone posted a question asking if any of the other forum members are into powerlifting, bodybuilding, etc. About the half the comments were opposed to weight training but the one that really stuck out was this one:

    To the OP. You can bench press whatever you like as often as you like, but in a few short years you will be ****ed and wondering what you did with your life beyond bench presses. Not a great legacy.

    But have at it. Not my problem if you choose to lead a vacuous life.
    First of all, the OP didn't mention bench pressing—the person making this comment is so utterly ignorant that the only exercise he could name was the bench press.

    Secondly, by what mechanism will OP be "****ed" within "a few short years"? How did this rule get established?

    Third, "what you did with your life beyond bench presses"? "Not a great legacy"? "A vacuous life"? What in the ****ing **** is this ***hole talking about?
    Last edited by SmithJLee; 11-09-2019 at 11:40 PM.
    Former & future certified trainer
    Reply With Quote

  2. #2
    Crawling back under rock OldFartTom's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2017
    Posts: 7,452
    Rep Power: 106967
    OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    OldFartTom is offline
    "Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself."
    Proverbs 26:4

    Don't argue with the guy! It's not just weights, stupidity is everywhere and it respects no topic
    Reply With Quote

  3. #3
    Registered User SmithJLee's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2019
    Age: 54
    Posts: 28
    Rep Power: 0
    SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10)
    SmithJLee is offline
    Originally Posted by OldFartTom View Post
    "Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself."
    Proverbs 26:4

    Don't argue with the guy! It's not just weights, stupidity is everywhere and it respects no topic
    My response was to wonder aloud about whether he was a human or a random word generating app. Then I posted a link to Rippetoe reading his article about strength training for older people.
    Former & future certified trainer
    Reply With Quote

  4. #4
    Registered User Oleg1975K's Avatar
    Join Date: Oct 2019
    Posts: 355
    Rep Power: 484
    Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250)
    Oleg1975K is offline
    Yes, in this world there are a lot of “experts” on the harm of strength training, who haven’t lifted anything heavier than the penis in their lives. )))
    bench press 167.5 kgx1, 125 kgx13, 100 kgх24
    standing press 100 kgx1, 82,5 kg 4 sets х 5 reps
    deadlift 230 kgx1, 200 kgx4, 190 kg 3 sets x 5 reps
    raw squat 180 kgx1, 150 kg 5x5
    chin-ups +25 kg x10 reps
    Reply With Quote

  5. #5
    Crawling back under rock OldFartTom's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2017
    Posts: 7,452
    Rep Power: 106967
    OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    OldFartTom is offline
    Originally Posted by SmithJLee View Post
    My response was to wonder aloud about whether he was a human or a random word generating app. Then I posted a link to Rippetoe reading his article about strength training for older people.
    I am just a random word generating app

    But I'd say from the style of the language your quoted idiot was a real human. Although it's getting so much better, AI conversation has a particular feel to it.

    Not sure he'd (guessing it's a he) would read your link, he already "knows" he's right... that training is bad for you.
    Last edited by OldFartTom; 11-10-2019 at 01:46 AM.
    Reply With Quote

  6. #6
    Humble Megalomaniac ElrondHubbard's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2015
    Location: Nevada, United States
    Posts: 10,024
    Rep Power: 98130
    ElrondHubbard has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ElrondHubbard has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ElrondHubbard has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ElrondHubbard has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ElrondHubbard has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ElrondHubbard has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ElrondHubbard has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ElrondHubbard has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ElrondHubbard has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ElrondHubbard has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ElrondHubbard has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    ElrondHubbard is offline
    Well, we all know how vacuous Arnold's legacy was due to the harm of bench pressing.
    “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
    -Voltaire
    Reply With Quote

  7. #7
    Crawling back under rock OldFartTom's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2017
    Posts: 7,452
    Rep Power: 106967
    OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    OldFartTom is offline
    Originally Posted by ElrondHubbard View Post
    Well, we all know how vacuous Arnold's legacy was due to the harm of bench pressing.
    Arnold who??
    Reply With Quote

  8. #8
    Registered User DCSpartan's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2010
    Age: 52
    Posts: 11,144
    Rep Power: 20231
    DCSpartan has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) DCSpartan has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) DCSpartan has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) DCSpartan has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) DCSpartan has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) DCSpartan has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) DCSpartan has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) DCSpartan has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) DCSpartan has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) DCSpartan has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) DCSpartan has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    DCSpartan is offline
    I have no ideas what you guys are talking about. I still trust in my Victory brand of supplements from Joe Weider. Gonna load up on some of that Mass gainer 6000 before I hit the gym.
    Reply With Quote

  9. #9
    Registered User Garage Rat's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2005
    Location: So.Cal.
    Posts: 7,438
    Rep Power: 35498
    Garage Rat has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Garage Rat has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Garage Rat has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Garage Rat has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Garage Rat has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Garage Rat has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Garage Rat has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Garage Rat has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Garage Rat has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Garage Rat has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Garage Rat has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Garage Rat is offline
    Well your dad is partially right.
    There are some gays that weight train,some will get arthritis (some will get it even if they don't weight train),some will die early some won't is it because of weight training probably not.
    Who cares if your bench pressing or not.
    Some choose to because they like it.
    Those that don't,don't understand the ones that do and why.
    Actually weight training and trying to maintain muscle is beneficial in fighting sarcopenia ( muscle wasting/atrophy)from getting older.
    It's been shown older folks with some degree of muscle mass are healthier and stronger than ones who don't weight train.
    Reply With Quote

  10. #10
    Registered User Oleg1975K's Avatar
    Join Date: Oct 2019
    Posts: 355
    Rep Power: 484
    Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250) Oleg1975K has a spectacular aura about. (+250)
    Oleg1975K is offline
    Originally Posted by OldFartTom View Post
    Arnold who??
    Вот этот )))
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo
    bench press 167.5 kgx1, 125 kgx13, 100 kgх24
    standing press 100 kgx1, 82,5 kg 4 sets х 5 reps
    deadlift 230 kgx1, 200 kgx4, 190 kg 3 sets x 5 reps
    raw squat 180 kgx1, 150 kg 5x5
    chin-ups +25 kg x10 reps
    Reply With Quote

  11. #11
    Crawling back under rock OldFartTom's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2017
    Posts: 7,452
    Rep Power: 106967
    OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) OldFartTom has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    OldFartTom is offline
    I'd read a reasonably detailed account of the Martin and Mitchell defection (which occurred in 1960). What struck me was that one of them had been into physique, can't remember which one, and the investigator had discovered he had a photo taken in a pose, with one hand holding a dumbel sitting on a stool with a velvet cover, in a photographic studio. The investigation immediately concluded, no further evidence needed this was total "proof" that he was a communist and a homosexual. Well the guy did defect, but it was the open and shut nature of the NSA investigation. Weights photo = gay commy (period!).

    AFAIK, thankfully this is one anti training belief that has almost totally died out.
    Reply With Quote

  12. #12
    Registered User SmithJLee's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2019
    Age: 54
    Posts: 28
    Rep Power: 0
    SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10) SmithJLee is on a distinguished road. (+10)
    SmithJLee is offline
    Originally Posted by Garage Rat View Post
    Well your dad is partially right.
    It's not my dad I'm talking about, really. It about how half the people who responded on the forum post I mentioned firmly believe all the same myths and lies about weight training that were common in the mid-20th century. We're in the information age. How on Earth can it be that people still believe that nonsense?

    Then again, belief in flat Earth has made a massive comeback, so...
    Former & future certified trainer
    Reply With Quote

  13. #13
    Registered User fairOne777's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2019
    Age: 54
    Posts: 30
    Rep Power: 0
    fairOne777 will become famous soon enough. (+50) fairOne777 will become famous soon enough. (+50) fairOne777 will become famous soon enough. (+50) fairOne777 will become famous soon enough. (+50) fairOne777 will become famous soon enough. (+50) fairOne777 will become famous soon enough. (+50) fairOne777 will become famous soon enough. (+50) fairOne777 will become famous soon enough. (+50) fairOne777 will become famous soon enough. (+50) fairOne777 will become famous soon enough. (+50) fairOne777 will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    fairOne777 is offline
    You should've informed him that no-one in the bodybuilding world who is serious about growing stronger bench presses, they all do dips and overhead presses.
    Reply With Quote

  14. #14
    Registered User HanleyTucks's Avatar
    Join Date: Nov 2019
    Age: 54
    Posts: 63
    Rep Power: 103
    HanleyTucks is on a distinguished road. (+10) HanleyTucks is on a distinguished road. (+10) HanleyTucks is on a distinguished road. (+10) HanleyTucks is on a distinguished road. (+10) HanleyTucks is on a distinguished road. (+10) HanleyTucks is on a distinguished road. (+10) HanleyTucks is on a distinguished road. (+10) HanleyTucks is on a distinguished road. (+10) HanleyTucks is on a distinguished road. (+10) HanleyTucks is on a distinguished road. (+10) HanleyTucks is on a distinguished road. (+10)
    HanleyTucks is offline
    Originally Posted by SmithJLee View Post
    half the people who responded on the forum post I mentioned firmly believe all the same myths and lies about weight training that were common in the mid-20th century.
    The best lie is one someone wants to believe.
    "Sixpack abs in 30 days!"
    "Double your investment in 6 months!"
    "I'll leave my wife for you."

    People want to believe exercise is bad for them because then they have an excuse to sit on the couch.
    Reply With Quote

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts