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11-05-2019, 02:10 PM #61
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11-05-2019, 03:00 PM #62
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Crazy to me how you brush off your wait times haha, "I can do this an this and this and only have to wait 8 months for final treatment lol at you"
Fuk off with that chit, our system has problems but I cant fathom suffering on a wait list until my govt gives me the go ahead to be treated, absolutely un-American imo.
And $50? I fuking wish, we'd sign up tomorrow. Social healthcare will cost regular taxpayers like me THOUSANDS more per year through taxes, and the care will take much longer and be dogchit at that. I think you Europeans fail to remember that we have a "social healthcare system" already and its pure dogchit. They cant handle less than ten million, hundreds of millions plus dozens of millions of illegals would destroy us 100%
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11-05-2019, 03:15 PM #63
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11-05-2019, 05:10 PM #64
Once you wait for whatever predetermined amount of time, at least you can get your treatment for free!
Unless of course the NHS deems you to be racist, sexist or bigoted in which case you can fukk off and die
https://summit.news/2019/11/05/uk-na...s-and-sexists/Firefighter/EMT-B
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11-05-2019, 05:14 PM #65
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11-05-2019, 05:27 PM #66
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This times a million. I was given 2-3 months to live. Many CTs, bags of poison, weeks of radiation and I'm still alive and recovering nicely 8 months later. Out of pocket expenses: $6K.
A govt death panel would have deemed me an unnecessary expense. Fuk them and all of you retards who want a corrupt and politicized bureaucracy determining your health reqt's.* Trad Archery Crew
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11-05-2019, 05:31 PM #67
It's weird. The more the current conservative government has turned the NHS into a for-profit organisation —funded by taxpayers— while cutting the number of nurses and doctors, and doing away with free training for nurses, the more it costs the UK, while giving worse service, with fewer doctor and nurses. What gives?!!? Socialism is obviously to blame. FFS.
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11-05-2019, 05:33 PM #68
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11-05-2019, 05:37 PM #71
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11-05-2019, 05:38 PM #72
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11-05-2019, 05:40 PM #73
Aside from the people on this very forum from the UK saying they hate the UK's system.
Nice try, though.
Plus, there was a story in the news several weeks ago of a British (hint: UK) family flying to the US (Boston, I think) to get their kid lifesaving care not available in the UK. Guess that was fake news because everyone loves the great UK healthcare. So their kid should have died in the UK?
Why is said treatment only available in the US?
Why is nobody flying to the UK for life-saving treatment not available in the US?Last edited by ButWhoWasNoodz; 11-05-2019 at 05:50 PM.
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11-05-2019, 05:43 PM #74
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ownership_rate
The US isn't even in the top 40. Sweden, Canada, France, Finland, Belgium etc are all ahead of it.
Let me know if you need help reading the numbers on that table BTW.Misc Crypto Crew
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11-05-2019, 05:43 PM #75
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11-05-2019, 05:44 PM #76
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11-05-2019, 06:10 PM #77
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Imagine paying 40% more in taxes and thinking your healthcare cost is 0.
Converting everything to USD and assuming the same us median wage the Brit will pay about 4000 more in what are essentially federal taxes each year.
For me and my daughter insurance is going to cost me 3 grand a year. It would have been about 1000 for just me. Guess what no wait list. Get seen within a week for a general check up. prescription drugs cost less than they cost you.
In reality the brits median income is actually 15k lower than the US AND they have sales and VAT tax too.
Got dam brits are fuking morons thinking they are getting a good deal. Poor dumb bastards.*Updated* If you can't hit a 320 yard drive, are you even a man?
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11-05-2019, 06:22 PM #78
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11-05-2019, 06:32 PM #79
the extent to which universal healthcare advocates itt downplay the cost of taxes is mind-blowing. the average canadian pays almost 7 grand per year in taxes on healthcare to not be able to get urgent care from a specialist or a surgeon when it is needed, or to wait 12 hours in the emergency room.
in most cases, some americans go bankrupt due to healthcare costs because they are not disciplined enough to set money aside for healthcare costs. if they were setting aside what the average canadian is paying in taxes for universal healthcare, nobody would even be talking about this problem. there are exceptions, but government assistance (taxpayer dollars) should be reserved for those cases, not to the average M-O-R-O-N who doesn't know how to handle money. choices have consequences. freedom has a cost
universal healthcare is only getting worse with time. we'll see what its advocates say when their system collapses in on itself, leaving them with no choice but to go to the private sector to get the care they need (and pay for that on top of their taxes).
my dad is nearing 70 and has been paying thousands to circumvent public healthcare to get what he needs in a timely manner. had he not, he would have suffered. he was a big fan of universal healthcare.... until he actually needed healthcare services
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11-05-2019, 06:33 PM #80
Curious how many of you that are happy with your employer sponsored coverage have actually checked in with your HR department and asked them how much your employer contributes toward your coverage. Add that number to whatever you pay monthly. Then if you have a deductible add that.
That is how much you actually pay before you receive any healthcare at the expense of your health insurer.
My ex's employer disclosed that they kicked in $10K for family coverage. That is money that theoretically could have been salary if it wasn't paying for health insurance. Then my ex had $329 a month deducted from his check. Then we each had an individual $500 deductible that we had to meet before insurance paid a dime. So our cost would be between $14,448 and $15,448 before the health insurance company lost any money.
15 years ago I was having $800 a month deducted from my monthly check for family coverage health insurance while working for a hospital chain. At the time this was more than our mortgage.
Yes, that is some steaming BS and I can't believe anyone buys it.
It is pretty bleak. So-called cash welfare is very limited in both the amount and the maximum length of time to receive benefits.
Disability can take years to get. And then it is quite meager and wouldn't be enough for most people to live independently. Might be able to stay with family or rent a room in a multiple room mate situation.
Yes, because of course if everyone just had good health habits there would be no diseases or accidents or genetic disorders. We will all live in glowing good health hallelujah hallelujah.
Have you considered that it might be dogchit at least partly because most people don't have to use it and so don't want to fund it?
Even insured people often have to wait for procedures. Rarely as long as mentioned in the article. Still not unusual to call to make an appointment and be told there is nothing for 2-4 months open.
I don't have health insurance right now. Not the first time for me. One thing about Texas- ton of uninsured people.
So I am having to pay OOP and for the maintenance of two generic prescriptions, one trip to the dentist, and just recently labs to test for anemia due to symptoms, I have spent $2,300.
I had pretty bad chest pain a few weeks ago on a Saturday night. No one to take me to an urgent care, plus from previous experience I know they would send me to an ER. Can't afford it. So I just dealt with it and decided if I die then I just die.
Went to a GP on Monday. Was told it was too long for a blood test to show anything, but she wanted to do an EKG to see if there was anything ongoing. Did that.
Tried to find out how much it would cost to get my labs done for anemia. Multiple calls and got nowhere. Last week I just went online to a direct lab site. I feel pretty crap and my chest hurts...not intense all the time but achy. Got my results- ferritin 5 hemoglobin 8.
I don't absorb iron pills and in the past I have had iron IV infusions. They are expensive. Trying to find out how expensive and in the meantime started a liquid iron today.
Oh, and, yeah, you can have a heart attack from anemia if it is too bad.INTP Crew
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11-05-2019, 06:44 PM #81
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11-05-2019, 06:51 PM #82
yup.
I have an HSA.
I pump it to the max allowed yearly. just over 5k.
I have me and my two kids on it and the last broken arm was literally 3k so I take it seriously.
I know people who cut down their contribution when it hits the deductible.
I don't do that. FYI I hit my 3k deductible last month just for my kids. I went to the dr once for pneumonia and that cost me like $250 total.
pediatricians gotta be ballin'.
I got many yrs of dr's bill between me and my kids and i'm going to give myself as big a cushion as possible.
Also while i'm a long way from retirement, how does not building it up now make any sense?
It's basically a retirement fund.
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11-05-2019, 07:14 PM #83
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11-05-2019, 10:13 PM #84
Strong reading comprehension. They may have gripes with their health coverage, as every system has flaws, but no one is advocating that they swap to a system similar to the U.S., where they rely on the generosity of their employer to provide decent health insurance
Nice anecdote.Last edited by ThisIsSceaming; 11-05-2019 at 10:29 PM.
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11-05-2019, 11:57 PM #85
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11-06-2019, 02:23 AM #86
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How likely do you think it is that employers are going to bump your salary $10K if we go to UHC?
When I changed jobs about 5 years ago I was paying $550/mo for basically the same coverage that I have now, but as a contractor I was making about that much more. That $6600 plus $3k max out of pocket is still less then the increased taxes I would pay in the UK.
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11-06-2019, 02:52 AM #87
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11-06-2019, 03:17 AM #88
Ah, yes, much anecdote. Here's the story from the right-wing Boston globe:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyl...NSL/story.html
The kid would have died in the UK NHS.
"It took months for yhe NHS to approve the child to travel to the US foe treatment"
Just LOL at asking a government bureaucrat for permission to receive medical care.
Also for your education:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...or-health-care
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ists-lengthen/
STFU. Hopefully you spend that 5 cents from ShareBlue well.Last edited by ButWhoWasNoodz; 11-06-2019 at 03:47 AM.
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11-06-2019, 03:55 AM #89
So I actually read the article you linked unlike yourself:
IN OLIVER’S CASE, while the UK’s socialized health care system would guarantee that any medical procedure he underwent within the country — and even within the European Union — would be cost-free for the family, it took months of petitioning the country’s National Health Service from Oliver’s pediatric cardiologist in Southampton, Dr. Shankar Sadagopan, for approval to fund Oliver’s trip and procedure at Boston Children’s. By late 2017, however, they were finally ready to travel to Boston.Misc Crypto Crew
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11-06-2019, 04:36 AM #90
Not sure exactly how it would work in that case. What I do know is that if the family didn't have insurance or if they had one of the many insurance plans that wouldn't cover an expensive procedure like that, then the kid's tour is over.
Meanwhile the NHS paid not only for the procedure but also for his travel, and apparently this is a bad thing.
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