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    One fine example of government stupidity related to health care.

    Create FSAs you can contribute up to $2,700 tax free dollars to apply to your medical expenses. Make it so if you don't use it you lose it, like you are supposed to be able to predict your medical expenses for the next year.
    I agree. Single payer makes more sense.
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    Originally Posted by ImBunky View Post
    One fine example of government stupidity related to health care.

    Create FSAs you can contribute up to $2,700 tax free dollars to apply to your medical expenses. Make it so if you don't use it you lose it, like you are supposed to be able to predict your medical expenses for the next year.
    True. Another point about Medicare for All - What good is it if you can't get an appointment within a reasonable time-frame and if when you do see a doctor, he or she will not be that enthusiastic to treat you since it might be a couple of months before he or she is compensated and on top of that, the compensation would be 30% lower than what the doctor should be receiving. If the doctor decides to remain in business, like any other business, he or she has to make the decision to probably downsize, meaning laying off employees. Then, the whole thing very similar to Obamacare, collapses.

    Simple practical logistics like these are not discussed because the weak-minded just want free.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    True. Another point about Medicare for All - What good is it if you can't get an appointment within a reasonable time-frame and if when you do see a doctor, he or she will not be that enthusiastic to treat you since it might be a couple of months before he or she is compensated and on top of that, the compensation would be 30% lower than what the doctor should be receiving. If the doctor decides to remain in business, like any other business, he or she has to make the decision to probably downsize, meaning laying off employees. Then, the whole thing very similar to Obamacare, collapses.

    Simple practical logistics like these are not discussed because the weak-minded just want free.
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    Originally Posted by StoliFun View Post
    Glad I don't live in your fantasy land.
    Likewise. My family is made up of healthcare professionals and I am in financial services.

    I know the market and I know what doctors talk about.

    Your words are ignorant, which is always expected.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    True. Another point about Medicare for All - What good is it if you can't get an appointment within a reasonable time-frame and if when you do see a doctor, he or she will not be that enthusiastic to treat you since it might be a couple of months before he or she is compensated and on top of that, the compensation would be 30% lower than what the doctor should be receiving. If the doctor decides to remain in business, like any other business, he or she has to make the decision to probably downsize, meaning laying off employees. Then, the whole thing very similar to Obamacare, collapses.

    Simple practical logistics like these are not discussed because the weak-minded just want free.
    My son's doctor was talking about how its such a mess dealing with this its almost not even worth having a practice. Then today I get a letter in the mail saying he is retiring as of December.
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    Originally Posted by Stizzel View Post
    My son's doctir was talking about how its such a mess dealing with this its almost not even worth having a practice. Then today I get a letter in the mail saying he is retiring as of December.
    Exactly. Sad. Thank you for the input.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Exactly. Sad. Thank you for the input.
    No problem. My wife told him she wants our son to be a doctor and he rolled his eyes and said he's better off becoming a nurse
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    Originally Posted by dabbmw2002 View Post
    Unfortunately I've had to spend a lot of money on health issues over the last year but one thing I remind myself is even though I've spent a lot of money (thousands of dollars) is if I make a phone call, within a few days I get whatever is needed- MRIs, CT scan, X-ray, endoscopy.....whatever. I would rather pay money and get treated than get it for free and have to wait.
    If by "free" you mean you don't pay a premium, but pay triple your premium in increased taxes, then you are correct...
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    True. Another point about Medicare for All - What good is it if you can't get an appointment within a reasonable time-frame and if when you do see a doctor, he or she will not be that enthusiastic to treat you since it might be a couple of months before he or she is compensated and on top of that, the compensation would be 30% lower than what the doctor should be receiving. If the doctor decides to remain in business, like any other business, he or she has to make the decision to probably downsize, meaning laying off employees. Then, the whole thing very similar to Obamacare, collapses.

    Simple practical logistics like these are not discussed because the weak-minded just want free.
    I wish it was 30% lower for medicare. I am paid 3x as much by commercial insurance as I am for medicare.
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    No problem. My wife told him she wants our son to be a doctor and he rolled his eyes and said he's better off becoming a nurse
    An excellent profession.
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    Also ITT: A bunch of normal, real world people posting real world stories and issues, refuting the bs gas lighting attempts from the left trying to suck us into this chitshow, and presenting logical conclusions based on real world facts and data.

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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    I wish it was 30% lower for medicare. I am paid 3x as much by commercial insurance as I am for medicare.
    Similar to my experience.

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    Originally Posted by Stizzel View Post
    My son's doctor was talking about how its such a mess dealing with this its almost not even worth having a practice. Then today I get a letter in the mail saying he is retiring as of December.
    This is ironic. I highly doubt your kids pediatrician is retiring because he's sick of dealing with Medicare.

    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Exactly. Sad. Thank you for the input.
    Lol.

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    I wish it was 30% lower for medicare. I am paid 3x as much by commercial insurance as I am for medicare.
    What service is that? I'm curious.
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    The current crisis in the NHS is due to a conservative conspiracy over the last decade to underfund it to the point of collapse so that the private sector can take an ever larger role.

    Aging population also taking it's toll as the retirement age is lagging the average age increases and oldies obviously need more care. The other huge thing is recruitment, it's very hard for them to recruit enough staff with all the cuts to bursaries etc. This has all been compounded by brexit and will be far more down the line as the NHS recruits heavily from abroad and we're busy making our country a far less attractive place to live, work and settle to.

    But we're very proud of our health service and don't give a **** what foreigners, especially Americans, think about it. I've had my life saved more than once and seen the same for close family and friends. They do amazing work even when stretched to breaking point. Will happily pay a tax increase to help fund it better under a more sane future government.
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    Originally Posted by Slayermanlet View Post
    The current crisis in the NHS is due to a conservative conspiracy over the last decade to underfund it to the point of collapse so that the private sector can take an ever larger role.

    Aging population also taking it's toll as the retirement age is lagging the average age increases and oldies obviously need more care. The other huge thing is recruitment, it's very hard for them to recruit enough staff with all the cuts to bursaries etc. This has all been compounded by brexit and will be far more down the line as the NHS recruits heavily from abroad and we're busy making our country a far less attractive place to live, work and settle to.

    But we're very proud of our health service and don't give a **** what foreigners, especially Americans, think about it. I've had my life saved more than once and seen the same for close family and friends. They do amazing work even when stretched to breaking point. Will happily pay a tax increase to help fund it better under a more sane future government.
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    Originally Posted by Slayermanlet View Post
    The current crisis in the NHS is due to a conservative conspiracy over the last decade to underfund it to the point of collapse so that the private sector can take an ever larger role.

    Aging population also taking it's toll as the retirement age is lagging the average age increases and oldies obviously need more care. The other huge thing is recruitment, it's very hard for them to recruit enough staff with all the cuts to bursaries etc. This has all been compounded by brexit and will be far more down the line as the NHS recruits heavily from abroad and we're busy making our country a far less attractive place to live, work and settle to.

    But we're very proud of our health service and don't give a **** what foreigners, especially Americans, think about it. I've had my life saved more than once and seen the same for close family and friends. They do amazing work even when stretched to breaking point. Will happily pay a tax increase to help fund it better under a more sane future government.

    I can see it already, the talking point about the conservative conspiracy, liberals in the US using this same sorry ass excuse when their system starts to fail. Anything to avoid blame, thats all they do. Everything liberals/socialists touch here goes to chit, and they have laundry lists of excuses as to why it's never their fault. That mentality bleeds down into the common liberal on the street, lack of personal responsibility.

    I'm glad you like your system, please keep that chit an ocean away from us and your ridiculous tax rates too. I'm sure the vast majority of my fellow Americans feel the same.
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    Originally Posted by knightofday View Post
    I can see it already, the talking point about the conservative conspiracy, liberals in the US using this same sorry ass excuse when their system starts to fail. Anything to avoid blame, thats all they do.
    It's a different situation. It is undeniable that our health service has been neglected over the last decade of Tory rule. It isn't an excuse or blaming when it is true and all the evidence is there. Not enough staff, not enough resources, not enough hospitals, not enough beds.

    Everything liberals/socialists touch here goes to chit, and they have laundry lists of excuses as to why it's never their fault. That mentality bleeds down into the common liberal on the street, lack of personal responsibility.

    I'm glad you like your system, please keep that chit an ocean away from us and your ridiculous tax rates too. I'm sure the vast majority of my fellow Americans feel the same.
    Blah blah libs owned etc.

    Complete nonsense from the British perspective. NHS performance has dropped across the board in the last ten years - the same timescale that we've had a conservative government which has only become further right and more libertarian throughout that period.

    Things immediately started getting worse after the 2012 (conservative) Healthcare act, in the previous decade we were widely regarded as having one of the most efficient healthcare systems in the world, better than France, Canada and Germany. Massive cuts to healthcare spending, and the often ignored bit important knock on effects of cuts to other social services are so obviously the cause that it seems ridiculous to even be pointing it out.

    And the hilarious thing - all that our dumb ass corrupt government do STILL is desperately try to blame the opposition - when they have been in power for a decade!!!! The level of hypocrisy for the right to bleat about personal responsibility when all they do is demonize and blame the centre/left for their own failings is mind blowing.

    Great, fine, I do not care about American internal politics to the extent that they do not affect me, and i am happy to pay taxes to invest into the common success of my country provided they are being used wisely. Many of your fellow citizens do care though and are seriously unhappy with their healthcare options.

    When all is said and done, I wish you good health and that both our healthcare systems improve in the future.
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    Yeah it’s not perfect

    However you can pay $300 to see a consultant who then refers tests to GP eg bloods etc which are free

    Or you wait

    And if it’s urgent you get bumped up the list.

    And it doesn’t screw your credit or make you bankrupt if someone you love gets an illness or in an accident

    And our diabetics don’t die for want of insulin

    And an ambulance ride is free not thousands of dollars

    All meds cost prescription fees ..it’s like $15 for 3 months

    You cannot in any good conscience support the chitshow that is the American medical system

    I currently have a bit of med issue, my primary care has seen me 4 times, I’ve had 3 sets of blood tests and an MRI within 3 months ...cost is 0

    Oh and we have private healthcare too just haven’t used it since my last sports injury for physio therapy (which I could also have got on NHS but chose not to wait)
    Nobody dies waiting for insulin unless they are an idiot. Yes some of the newer longer acting ones have co-pays but most of them are essentially free with insurance. If you're really hard up, there are literally specific ones you can buy with no RX for next to nothing at any pharmacy.

    Anyway.

    Nobody in the US is dying from poor healthcare. It's become a major inconvenience because of how complicated Obamacare made the insurance system. I worked selling health insurance prior to the law and I've seen the chit show after.

    Yes, if you are retarded and have NO insurance, because you refuse to sign up for what is now basically free coverage for the poor and vastly subsidized coverage for the lower middle class, you might have financial consequences. That's life. Better than destroying a healthcare system that works for 90% of people.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Within the ‘Medicare-for-all’ debate in US, Britain sounds alarm over historic waiting lists.

    Britain's Version Of 'Medicare For All' Is Struggling With Long Waits For Care


    Nearly a quarter of a million British patients have been waiting more than six months to receive planned medical treatment from the National Health Service, according to a recent report from the Royal College of Surgeons. More than 36,000 have been in treatment queues for nine months or more.

    Long waits for care are endemic to government-run, single-payer systems like the NHS. Yet some U.S. lawmakers want to import that model from across the pond. That would be a massive blunder.


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    Originally Posted by Slayermanlet View Post
    The current crisis in the NHS is due to a conservative conspiracy over the last decade to underfund it to the point of collapse so that the private sector can take an ever larger role.

    Aging population also taking it's toll as the retirement age is lagging the average age increases and oldies obviously need more care. The other huge thing is recruitment, it's very hard for them to recruit enough staff with all the cuts to bursaries etc. This has all been compounded by brexit and will be far more down the line as the NHS recruits heavily from abroad and we're busy making our country a far less attractive place to live, work and settle to.

    But we're very proud of our health service and don't give a **** what foreigners, especially Americans, think about it. I've had my life saved more than once and seen the same for close family and friends. They do amazing work even when stretched to breaking point. Will happily pay a tax increase to help fund it better under a more sane future government.
    Amen. UK spends £120 billion on the NHS while US healthcare spending tops $3.6 trillion and the math wizzes that are US republicans tell everyone how expensive and inefficient the NHS is and if someone rightly points out that its underfunded, that's just a "liberal excuse". The absolute state of Americans.
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    Well I seem to remember that conversation being about infant mortality and life expectancy

    But it’s ok the US healthcare system is 2 places above Cuba’s on the WHO ranking

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    18 United Kingdom
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    20 Switzerland
    21 Belgium
    22 Colombia
    23 Sweden
    24 Cyprus
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    26 Saudi Arabia
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Well I seem to remember that conversation being about infant mortality and life expectancy

    But it’s ok the US healthcare system is 2 places above Cuba’s on the WHO ranking

    World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems

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    17 Netherlands
    18 United Kingdom
    19 Ireland
    20 Switzerland
    21 Belgium
    22 Colombia
    23 Sweden
    24 Cyprus
    25 Germany
    26 Saudi Arabia
    27 United Arab Emirates
    28 Israel
    29 Morocco
    30 Canada
    31 Finland
    32 Australia
    33 Chile
    34 Denmark
    35 Dominica
    36 Costa Rica
    37 USA
    38 Slovenia
    39 Cuba
    I wonder if that counts the babies that people leave laying around in the cold.
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    Financial services professionals are extremely overpaid corrupt POS dumb asses for the most part who bilk people out of their money.
    Honestly very fitting that Mark1T is in such a field. Biggest scam artists and white collar criminals around
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    I am running for the most hated poster on bb.com.
    You don't have to run for it. Most, if not all posters here despise you and your worthless Marxist European Socialist bullshiit.
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    You don't have to run for it. Most, if not all posters here despise you and your worthless Marxist European Socialist bullshiit.
    I think it's just you bby, I get repped by conservative posters a reasonable amount on here for making good and well researched arguments even if they disagree.

    You'd know what that means if you weren't a scam artist/fraud for a living and all.
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    I am a sick old Boomer parasite.
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    I think it's just you bby, I get repped by conservative posters a reasonable amount on here for making good and well researched arguments even if they disagree.

    You'd know what that means if you weren't a scam artist/fraud for a living and all.
    Sure you do. You are a liar and everyone knows it.

    You come here with your socialist bullshiit and demand everyone accept it. That is a scam, but you are far from an artist. It is fun to challenge your bullshiit. France and Sweden experimented with socialism and dropped it because it failed miserably, but asses like you keep promoting it. I don't know anyone who appreciates your posts. Maybe a couple of ignorant far left free-loaders like you possibly.

    You always seem to devolve any thread you post in.
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    Understood.

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    Sure you do. You are a liar and everyone knows it.

    You come here with your socialist bullshiit and demand everyone accept it. That is a scam, but you are far from an artist. It is fun to challenge your bullshiit. France and Sweden experimented with socialism and dropped it because it failed miserably, but asses like you keep promoting it. I don't know anyone who appreciates your posts. Maybe a couple of ignorant far left free-loaders like you possibly.

    You always seem to devolve any thread you post in.
    Did not read, I'm not a vulnerable old lady for you to scam. Look elsewhere.
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