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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    Far less than leave the US to seek treatment elsewhere.

    https://www.usitc.gov/publications/3...avel_final.pdf



    So between 100 and 200 thousand people travelling to the US from all worldwide countries combined, plus some more from America's bordering nations.

    Meanwhile the most recent estimates for Americans leaving the US to get healthcare elsewhere sits at nearly 1.5 million.

    How can you actually try and yet be wrong every single time about everything you ever post on here?
    You're correct, people with money leave their Socialist utopias, to come to the US for quality care.

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    turns out there are a growing number of Canadians seeking medical treatment abroad as well, raiding their bank accounts and choosing to pay for treatment instead of being treated through their nationalized health care system. In 2014, more than 50,000 Canadians left the country for medical treatment, a 25 percent increase from the previous year. 
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    You're correct, people with money leave their Socialist utopias, to come to the US for quality care.

    Why Canadians Are Increasingly Seeking Medical Treatment Abroad

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.huf...570d3778ff/amp

    turns out there are a growing number of Canadians seeking medical treatment abroad as well, raiding their bank accounts and choosing to pay for treatment instead of being treated through their nationalized health care system. In 2014, more than 50,000 Canadians left the country for medical treatment, a 25 percent increase from the previous year. 
    So just to confirm, far less people come to the US for medical treatment than leave the US for medical treatment elsewhere?

    Did they teach you that 1.5 million is a bigger number than 200,000 at the mall cop academy?
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    Democrats ruin healthcare and cause skyrocketing prices by inserting government then insist on fixing it by doing the same thing on a much larger scale.

    Democrats are mentally deficient.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    So just to confirm, far less people come to the US for medical treatment than leave the US for medical treatment elsewhere?

    Did they teach you that 1.5 million is a bigger number than 200,000 at the mall cop academy?
    Why would anyone living in a Socialist utopia come to the US for treatment?


    It's simple, grow up, and get yourself some insurance. It's called being an adult. What next, universal dental care, day care, life insurance, car insurance?
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    Originally Posted by dannyg1217 View Post
    Democrats ruin healthcare and cause skyrocketing prices by inserting government then insist on fixing it by doing the same thing on a much larger scale.

    Democrats are mentally deficient.
    Needs more government. The high taxes need to be higher.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Why would anyone living in a Socialist utopia come to the US for treatment?


    It's simple, grow up, and get yourself some insurance. It's called being an adult. What next, universal dental care, day care, life insurance, car insurance?
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    So just to confirm, far less people come to the US for medical treatment than leave the US for medical treatment elsewhere?

    Did they teach you that 1.5 million is a bigger number than 200,000 at the mall cop academy?
    They don't leave the US because medical treatment is better elsewhere, they leave because they don't have insurance and it may be cheaper. A lot of it being dental work.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Why would anyone living in a Socialist utopia come to the US for treatment?


    It's simple, grow up, and get yourself some insurance. It's called being an adult. What next, universal dental care, day care, life insurance, car insurance?
    Let's try again: do more people leave the US to get treatment elsewhere than come to the US to get treatment?

    Is 1.5 million higher than 200,000?

    Can you answer these questions without dodging?
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    Good thing CA and Britain are managing the costs of the healthcare program well and they aren’t bankrupting the country.

    Then again today we just print more money.

    At least you’ll be healthy, until the system collapses then you’re retirement will be worth pennies, and healthcare will disappear.

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    Originally Posted by ImBunky View Post
    They don't leave the US because medical treatment is better elsewhere, they leave because they don't have insurance and it may be cheaper. A lot of it being dental work.
    If healthcare in the US isn't affordable for millions of people then you don't have a good healthcare system.

    In the entire world combined you have maybe 200k people a year (if that) travelling to the US for care. That means the number of people in each individual country who feel their system is inadequate and so need American healthcare is pretty damn small.

    However well over a million Americans a year are let down by their healthcare system so seek treatment elsewhere.

    Pretty simple maths boyo.
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    If healthcare in the US isn't affordable for millions of people then you don't have a good healthcare system.

    In the entire world combined you have maybe 200k people a year (if that) travelling to the US for care. That means the number of people in each individual country who feel their system is inadequate and so need American healthcare is pretty damn small.

    However well over a million Americans a year are let down by their healthcare system so seek treatment elsewhere.

    Pretty simple maths boyo.
    Give me a breakdown of what they are leaving for boyo. If it's dental and elective surgeries, whole different story.

    For those of us with jobs that provide insurance, it will only go downhill if switched to UHC.
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    Originally Posted by ImBunky View Post
    Give me a breakdown of what they are leaving for boyo. If it's dental and elective surgeries, whole different story.

    For those of us with jobs that provide insurance, it will only go downhill if switched to UHC.
    Yep, boobs, butts, and teeth.

    LA alone probably has 100k going to Mexico for that a year.
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    The deflection in here is surprising

    It’s like you don’t want to consider any of the issues, just focus on minor elements that make you feel like America is actually as great as you want it to be
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    The deflection in here is surprising

    It’s like you don’t want to consider any of the issues, just focus on minor elements that make you feel like America is actually as great as you want it to be
    It's amazing that you think your health care is free.
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    Originally Posted by ImBunky View Post
    It's amazing that you think your health care is free.
    I haven’t said that once. It is free at point of need, of course it is paid for by everybody in the workforce, on a percentage basis. As is education, pensions, military, government.

    We aren’t dumb, even though you seem to want to make out we are

    You glibly repeat crap mantras without involving yourself in any thought

    Why?

    It’s amazing that you are happy to just roll over and die if you lose your job and your insurance
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    I haven’t said that once. It is free at point of need, of course it is paid for by everybody in the workforce, on a percentage basis. As is education, pensions, military, government.

    We aren’t dumb, even though you seem to want to make out we are

    You glibly repeat crap mantras without involving yourself in any thought

    Why?

    It’s amazing that you are happy to just roll over and die if you lose your job and your insurance
    Well that's ironic AF.


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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    I haven’t said that once. It is free at point of need, of course it is paid for by everybody in the workforce, on a percentage basis. As is education, pensions, military, government.

    We aren’t dumb, even though you seem to want to make out we are

    You glibly repeat crap mantras without involving yourself in any thought

    Why?
    You haven't posted one thing that makes your healthcare better.
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    until america fixes its health problems stemming from people being lazy and not caring about their health universal health care will just be a waste of time and money. i have seen to many obese people that continue to gorge themselves on fast food and sugary drinks knowing that it is causing their obesity and health problems. seen to many people with diabetes from poor diet choices continue to eat like chit while injecting insulin because they dont want to change their bad habits. too many smokers coughing up a lung then puffing on their cigarette more while complaining about the cost of their recent doctor visit.

    if everybody in america took active efforts to better their health we wouldnt need universal health care to begin with. so taxing me more to pay for their bad dietary/lifestyle habits while i try to live somewhat healthy is ridiculous and basically punishing those that do the right thing so you can reward others for their bad decisions.
    Originally Posted by katya422 View Post
    Yes, because of course if everyone just had good health habits there would be no diseases or accidents or genetic disorders. We will all live in glowing good health hallelujah hallelujah.
    diseases would still exist but imagine how fast they may be cured if all the money from preventable health issues such as obesity and type 2 diabetes was funneled into them, does your sarcasm mean you dont want to see that happen?

    if you took away health problems stemming from poor habits the strain on our healthcare system would plummet along with insurance prices. that means everybody pays less including people born with diseases or ones who get them through no fault of their own. just like if tomorrow everybody became a good driver car insurance prices would dive, there would still be accidents but the rate at which they happen would greatly diminish.

    but hey why work on the real issues when you can argue for the implementation of an even more broken system that will end up hurting the people you claim to care about even more. i can see someone making the argument that people have the free will to eat what they want and do whatever they want to their own bodies, even if its unhealthy. sure i can agree with that until you want to charge me more through insurance to cover them, or tax me even more to pay for their medical costs along with all the bloated governmental administration costs.
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    Originally Posted by ImBunky View Post
    You haven't posted one thing that makes your healthcare better.
    Wow

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    No 5000% Mark ups or 20% profit margins
    No insurance classes that end cover if over x, y or z
    Probably pay less than premiums overall
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    I could also list failings of the system, which is something it seems some Americans can never admit for theirs, for fear of what?
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    How are you in a better position. Do you mean you personally? What happens if you lose your job?

    I’m glad your healthcare isn’t as bad as it reads, because diabetics dying for want of insulin, and people avoiding ambulances cos of costs, and treatments being based on how much you can pay not how much you need treatment sounds pretty extreme to my ears
    I pay like 60 dollars a month for health insurance and get whatever health treatments I need.

    And I'm not waiting 6 months on a waiting list for a scan that will determine if I have cancer or not.

    What's the issue?

    Anyone can go become a union plumber, a union laborer, a union meat cutter at a grocery store and get instant insurance.

    The system shouldn't have to change because someone wants to work 15 hours a week and get insurance.

    Edit: if I lose my job, I go find another one. Even if it's well beneath me.
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Wow

    Free at point of need*
    No medication over $15 for 3 months*
    Probably pay less than premiums overall Didn't you just said it was free?

    *After undetermined amount of waiting time, no treatment guaranteed
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    Originally Posted by scheal View Post
    All the great liberal idea will mean none of my kids will have to work on the future I can just go and blow all my money and investments and the Dems will look after me. No need to put money away for kids going to college, no more medical bills, just go to the hospital and queue up behind Jorge and his wife and their 15 kids who all want to get treatment for diabetes

    Cool future
    You're actually a responsible father that's involved in your children's lives? You're now demonized in the eyes of the left, how else is there mother going to be strong and empowered for raising the children all by herself?
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    If healthcare in the US isn't affordable for millions of people then you don't have a good healthcare system.

    In the entire world combined you have maybe 200k people a year (if that) travelling to the US for care. That means the number of people in each individual country who feel their system is inadequate and so need American healthcare is pretty damn small.

    However well over a million Americans a year are let down by their healthcare system so seek treatment elsewhere.

    Pretty simple maths boyo.
    How many people are going to these countries for plastic surgery? Let me guess, that kind of surgery should also be "free."
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    Originally Posted by litljay View Post
    Yep, boobs, butts, and teeth.

    LA alone probably has 100k going to Mexico for that a year.
    Traveling overseas for a cheap sex change operation.....progress?
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    Novody waits 6 months for a cancer diagnosis you phagocyte

    Originally Posted by ymer View Post
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    I’m sorry but don’t you understand what free at point of need means?

    It doesn’t mean it isn’t paid for somewhere down the line, it means that you can access the full breadth of medical care from primary services, tests to hospital treatment to recovery at no cost when and if you need it

    If you aren’t currently paying taxes, you can access

    If you’re a child, a student or have never held a job, you can still access
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    I’m sorry but don’t you understand what free at point of need means?

    I know what it means and don't care. I look at my total end cost, and with your heavy taxes believe I end up with more money in my pocket.
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    If you aren’t currently paying taxes, you can access

    If you’re a child, a student or have never held a job, you can still access
    Unless you're racist or have wrong thoughts on social media.
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    Originally Posted by ymer View Post
    Unless you're racist or have wrong thoughts on social media.
    Also bullchit

    Originally Posted by ImBunky View Post
    I know what it means and don't care. I look at my total end cost, and with your heavy taxes believe I end up with more money in my pocket.
    More disposable income and more basic bills ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    Also bullchit
    Reported to scotland yard for offending me over the interwebs.
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