Medicare-For-All - Britain Sounds Alarm Over Historic Waiting Lists

[Mark1T]

I wish it was 30% lower for medicare. I am paid 3x as much by commercial insurance as I am for medicare.

Similar to my experience.

ITT: A bunch of leftists lying their ass off, posting tons of disinformation, cherry picked stats that "support" their claims, gaslighting and lies.

Also ITT: A bunch of normal, real world people posting real world stories and issues, refuting the bs gas lighting attempts from the left trying to suck us into this chitshow, and presenting logical conclusions based on real world facts and data.

Liberals and their ilk are fuking low man damn, willing to lie or misinterpret anything and everything to reach their "utopia". American communists srs

Truth

[StoliFun]

My son's doctor was talking about how its such a mess dealing with this its almost not even worth having a practice. Then today I get a letter in the mail saying he is retiring as of December.

This is ironic. I highly doubt your kids pediatrician is retiring because he's sick of dealing with Medicare.

Exactly. Sad. Thank you for the input.

Lol.

I wish it was 30% lower for medicare. I am paid 3x as much by commercial insurance as I am for medicare.

What service is that? I'm curious.

[Slayermanlet]

The current crisis in the NHS is due to a conservative conspiracy over the last decade to underfund it to the point of collapse so that the private sector can take an ever larger role.

Aging population also taking it's toll as the retirement age is lagging the average age increases and oldies obviously need more care. The other huge thing is recruitment, it's very hard for them to recruit enough staff with all the cuts to bursaries etc. This has all been compounded by brexit and will be far more down the line as the NHS recruits heavily from abroad and we're busy making our country a far less attractive place to live, work and settle to.

But we're very proud of our health service and don't give a **** what foreigners, especially Americans, think about it. I've had my life saved more than once and seen the same for close family and friends. They do amazing work even when stretched to breaking point. Will happily pay a tax increase to help fund it better under a more sane future government.

[StoliFun]

The current crisis in the NHS is due to a conservative conspiracy over the last decade to underfund it to the point of collapse so that the private sector can take an ever larger role.

Aging population also taking it's toll as the retirement age is lagging the average age increases and oldies obviously need more care. The other huge thing is recruitment, it's very hard for them to recruit enough staff with all the cuts to bursaries etc. This has all been compounded by brexit and will be far more down the line as the NHS recruits heavily from abroad and we're busy making our country a far less attractive place to live, work and settle to.

But we're very proud of our health service and don't give a **** what foreigners, especially Americans, think about it. I've had my life saved more than once and seen the same for close family and friends. They do amazing work even when stretched to breaking point. Will happily pay a tax increase to help fund it better under a more sane future government.

Good post.

[knightofday]

The current crisis in the NHS is due to a conservative conspiracy over the last decade to underfund it to the point of collapse so that the private sector can take an ever larger role.

Aging population also taking it's toll as the retirement age is lagging the average age increases and oldies obviously need more care. The other huge thing is recruitment, it's very hard for them to recruit enough staff with all the cuts to bursaries etc. This has all been compounded by brexit and will be far more down the line as the NHS recruits heavily from abroad and we're busy making our country a far less attractive place to live, work and settle to.

But we're very proud of our health service and don't give a **** what foreigners, especially Americans, think about it. I've had my life saved more than once and seen the same for close family and friends. They do amazing work even when stretched to breaking point. Will happily pay a tax increase to help fund it better under a more sane future government.

I can see it already, the talking point about the conservative conspiracy, liberals in the US using this same sorry ass excuse when their system starts to fail. Anything to avoid blame, thats all they do. Everything liberals/socialists touch here goes to chit, and they have laundry lists of excuses as to why it's never their fault. That mentality bleeds down into the common liberal on the street, lack of personal responsibility.

I'm glad you like your system, please keep that chit an ocean away from us and your ridiculous tax rates too. I'm sure the vast majority of my fellow Americans feel the same.

[Slayermanlet]

I can see it already, the talking point about the conservative conspiracy, liberals in the US using this same sorry ass excuse when their system starts to fail. Anything to avoid blame, thats all they do.

It's a different situation. It is undeniable that our health service has been neglected over the last decade of Tory rule. It isn't an excuse or blaming when it is true and all the evidence is there. Not enough staff, not enough resources, not enough hospitals, not enough beds.

Everything liberals/socialists touch here goes to chit, and they have laundry lists of excuses as to why it's never their fault. That mentality bleeds down into the common liberal on the street, lack of personal responsibility.

I'm glad you like your system, please keep that chit an ocean away from us and your ridiculous tax rates too. I'm sure the vast majority of my fellow Americans feel the same.

Blah blah libs owned etc.

Complete nonsense from the British perspective. NHS performance has dropped across the board in the last ten years - the same timescale that we've had a conservative government which has only become further right and more libertarian throughout that period.

Things immediately started getting worse after the 2012 (conservative) Healthcare act, in the previous decade we were widely regarded as having one of the most efficient healthcare systems in the world, better than France, Canada and Germany. Massive cuts to healthcare spending, and the often ignored bit important knock on effects of cuts to other social services are so obviously the cause that it seems ridiculous to even be pointing it out.

And the hilarious thing - all that our dumb ass corrupt government do STILL is desperately try to blame the opposition - when they have been in power for a decade!!!! The level of hypocrisy for the right to bleat about personal responsibility when all they do is demonize and blame the centre/left for their own failings is mind blowing.

Great, fine, I do not care about American internal politics to the extent that they do not affect me, and i am happy to pay taxes to invest into the common success of my country provided they are being used wisely. Many of your fellow citizens do care though and are seriously unhappy with their healthcare options.

When all is said and done, I wish you good health and that both our healthcare systems improve in the future.

[LinuxJon]

Yeah it’s not perfect

However you can pay $300 to see a consultant who then refers tests to GP eg bloods etc which are free

Or you wait

And if it’s urgent you get bumped up the list.

And it doesn’t screw your credit or make you bankrupt if someone you love gets an illness or in an accident

And our diabetics don’t die for want of insulin

And an ambulance ride is free not thousands of dollars

All meds cost prescription fees ..it’s like $15 for 3 months

You cannot in any good conscience support the chitshow that is the American medical system

I currently have a bit of med issue, my primary care has seen me 4 times, I’ve had 3 sets of blood tests and an MRI within 3 months ...cost is 0

Oh and we have private healthcare too just haven’t used it since my last sports injury for physio therapy (which I could also have got on NHS but chose not to wait)

Nobody dies waiting for insulin unless they are an idiot. Yes some of the newer longer acting ones have co-pays but most of them are essentially free with insurance. If you're really hard up, there are literally specific ones you can buy with no RX for next to nothing at any pharmacy.

Anyway.

Nobody in the US is dying from poor healthcare. It's become a major inconvenience because of how complicated Obamacare made the insurance system. I worked selling health insurance prior to the law and I've seen the chit show after.

Yes, if you are retarded and have NO insurance, because you refuse to sign up for what is now basically free coverage for the poor and vastly subsidized coverage for the lower middle class, you might have financial consequences. That's life. Better than destroying a healthcare system that works for 90% of people.

[NerdyLady]

Within the ‘Medicare-for-all’ debate in US, Britain sounds alarm over historic waiting lists.

Britain's Version Of 'Medicare For All' Is Struggling With Long Waits For Care

Nearly a quarter of a million British patients have been waiting more than six months to receive planned medical treatment from the National Health Service, according to a recent report from the Royal College of Surgeons. More than 36,000 have been in treatment queues for nine months or more.

Long waits for care are endemic to government-run, single-payer systems like the NHS. Yet some U.S. lawmakers want to import that model from across the pond. That would be a massive blunder.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypi.../#1d3ff4d436b8

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ami...toric-waitlist

https://mises.org/wire/single-payer-...sal-healthcare

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1419339001/

Well, you don't see cancer patients there having to choose whether to get treatment or keep a roof over their kids' heads. While the system there is far from perfect, it is very lacking here when insurance companies can, and do, deny cancer treatment and reconstruction to a woman.

[isingmodel]

The current crisis in the NHS is due to a conservative conspiracy over the last decade to underfund it to the point of collapse so that the private sector can take an ever larger role.

Aging population also taking it's toll as the retirement age is lagging the average age increases and oldies obviously need more care. The other huge thing is recruitment, it's very hard for them to recruit enough staff with all the cuts to bursaries etc. This has all been compounded by brexit and will be far more down the line as the NHS recruits heavily from abroad and we're busy making our country a far less attractive place to live, work and settle to.

But we're very proud of our health service and don't give a **** what foreigners, especially Americans, think about it. I've had my life saved more than once and seen the same for close family and friends. They do amazing work even when stretched to breaking point. Will happily pay a tax increase to help fund it better under a more sane future government.

Amen. UK spends £120 billion on the NHS while US healthcare spending tops $3.6 trillion and the math wizzes that are US republicans tell everyone how expensive and inefficient the NHS is and if someone rightly points out that its underfunded, that's just a "liberal excuse". The absolute state of Americans.

[StoliFun]

Well I seem to remember that conversation being about infant mortality and life expectancy

But it’s ok the US healthcare system is 2 places above Cuba’s on the WHO ranking

World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 USA
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba

But muh freedoms to pay a tithe to pwivate insurance companies so they can tell my Doktor how not to treat my whateverm.

[ImBunky]

Well I seem to remember that conversation being about infant mortality and life expectancy

But it’s ok the US healthcare system is 2 places above Cuba’s on the WHO ranking

World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 USA
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba

I wonder if that counts the babies that people leave laying around in the cold.

[isingmodel]

Financial services professionals are extremely overpaid corrupt POS dumb asses for the most part who bilk people out of their money.

Honestly very fitting that Mark1T is in such a field. Biggest scam artists and white collar criminals around

[Mark1T]

I am running for the most hated poster on bb.com.

You don't have to run for it. Most, if not all posters here despise you and your worthless Marxist European Socialist bullshiit.

[isingmodel]

You don't have to run for it. Most, if not all posters here despise you and your worthless Marxist European Socialist bullshiit.

I think it's just you bby, I get repped by conservative posters a reasonable amount on here for making good and well researched arguments even if they disagree.

You'd know what that means if you weren't a scam artist/fraud for a living and all.

[StoliFun]

I am a sick old Boomer parasite.

Understood.

You don't have to run for it. Most, if not all posters here despise you and your worthless Marxist European Socialist bullshiit.

Get your levels checked.

[ImBunky]

I am a big baby that cries when I don't get my way.

Understood.

[Mark1T]

I think it's just you bby, I get repped by conservative posters a reasonable amount on here for making good and well researched arguments even if they disagree.

You'd know what that means if you weren't a scam artist/fraud for a living and all.

Sure you do. You are a liar and everyone knows it.

You come here with your socialist bullshiit and demand everyone accept it. That is a scam, but you are far from an artist. It is fun to challenge your bullshiit. France and Sweden experimented with socialism and dropped it because it failed miserably, but asses like you keep promoting it. I don't know anyone who appreciates your posts. Maybe a couple of ignorant far left free-loaders like you possibly.

You always seem to devolve any thread you post in.

[Mark1T]

Understood.

Get your levels checked.

Screw yourself.

[isingmodel]

Sure you do. You are a liar and everyone knows it.

You come here with your socialist bullshiit and demand everyone accept it. That is a scam, but you are far from an artist. It is fun to challenge your bullshiit. France and Sweden experimented with socialism and dropped it because it failed miserably, but asses like you keep promoting it. I don't know anyone who appreciates your posts. Maybe a couple of ignorant far left free-loaders like you possibly.

You always seem to devolve any thread you post in.

Did not read, I'm not a vulnerable old lady for you to scam. Look elsewhere.

[Mark1T]

Cannot read well.

You have fights with everyone here. With me, which I enjoy, with sy, dhawkeye, and those are just the ones in the past 24 hours. You desperately try to convince anyone with your socialist lies. You are the scammer.

[StoliFun]

Mine is a glandular condition.

Whatever you say.

[isingmodel]

You have fights with everyone here. With me, which I enjoy, with sy, dhawkeye, and those are just the ones in the past 24 hours. You desperately try to convince anyone with your socialist lies. You are the scammer.

So basically the bottom tier conservative posters who are not very intelligent. Yeah I agree buddy.

[Mark1T]

So basically the bottom tier conservative posters who are not very intelligent. Yeah I agree buddy.

No, basically everyone. It took me to flush out that you were from the UK and you were slow to admit it. Looking forward to more arguments.

[sy2502]

So what point was this meaningless word vomit supposed to get across exactly? Do you think government bureaucrats are the ones gloving up in public healthcare systems?

I see you are still avoiding the question of what examples of good government management should convince me to put my health and my life in the hands of the government. Waiting... waiting...

[Mark1T]

I see you are still avoiding the question of what examples of good government management should convince me to put my health and my life in the hands of the government. Waiting... waiting...

You have asked, I have asked. isingmodel is a lying POS and bullshiiter.

But, I hope you're having a wonderful day, sy

[Stizzel]

You have asked, I have asked. isingmodel is a lying POS and bullshiiter.

But, I hope you're having a wonderful day, sy

Very typical of the yang gang

[Mark1T]

Very typical of the yang gang

Absolutely.

[cromofo]

Sure you do. You are a liar and everyone knows it.

You come here with your socialist bullshiit and demand everyone accept it. That is a scam, but you are far from an artist. It is fun to challenge your bullshiit. France and Sweden experimented with socialism and dropped it because it failed miserably, but asses like you keep promoting it. I don't know anyone who appreciates your posts. Maybe a couple of ignorant far left free-loaders like you possibly.

You always seem to devolve any thread you post in.

Resistance is futile, little Mark. "Socialism" is coming, and coming in hard. Demographics are against you, posting on BB forums won't do jack. Elect Trump again and delay it 4 more years, but even after that...the change is coming.

Good luck lmaoo

[Mark1T]

Resistance is futile, little Mark. "Socialism" is coming, and coming in hard. Demographics are against you, posting on BB forums won't do jack. Elect Trump again and delay it 4 more years, but even after that...the change is coming.

Good luck lmaoo

Location: Republic of Jebem Te Glupog, Croatia

I am so intimidated.

By the way, are you even aware that France and Sweden WERE socialist? Past tense because it was a massive failure for both.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/Voices/...7591544527027/

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/ho...ialism-failed/

https://thefederalist.com/2019/06/25...rk-in-america/

Thanks for showing your ignorance and for posting in my thread. You are welcome to continue posting your support for socialism, but plan on being easily defeated.

[cromofo]

Location: Republic of Jebem Te Glupog, Croatia

I am so intimidated.

By the way, are you even aware that France and Sweden WERE socialist? Past tense because it was a massive failure for both.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/Voices/...7591544527027/

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/ho...ialism-failed/

https://thefederalist.com/2019/06/25...rk-in-america/

Thanks for showing your ignorance and for posting in my thread. You are welcome to continue posting your support for socialism, but plan on being easily defeated.

Lol why would you think I want to intimidate you?

I don't give a **** about debating it here, it's pointless, no one can change your or my mind. The actual change tho, is coming, whether you like it or not. You can post 1000 articles on here, but all for jack. As I've said it's futile.

You're just wasting time. Better spend that time getting Donnie re-elected.



Salut, Mr. CEO