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    Medicare-For-All - Britain Sounds Alarm Over Historic Waiting Lists

    Within the ‘Medicare-for-all’ debate in US, Britain sounds alarm over historic waiting lists.

    Britain's Version Of 'Medicare For All' Is Struggling With Long Waits For Care


    Nearly a quarter of a million British patients have been waiting more than six months to receive planned medical treatment from the National Health Service, according to a recent report from the Royal College of Surgeons. More than 36,000 have been in treatment queues for nine months or more.

    Long waits for care are endemic to government-run, single-payer systems like the NHS. Yet some U.S. lawmakers want to import that model from across the pond. That would be a massive blunder.


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypi.../#1d3ff4d436b8

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ami...toric-waitlist

    https://mises.org/wire/single-payer-...sal-healthcare

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1419339001/
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    But our will be better!!

    Not srs. How can people think this is a good idea?
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    Yeah it’s not perfect

    However you can pay $300 to see a consultant who then refers tests to GP eg bloods etc which are free

    Or you wait

    And if it’s urgent you get bumped up the list.

    And it doesn’t screw your credit or make you bankrupt if someone you love gets an illness or in an accident

    And our diabetics don’t die for want of insulin

    And an ambulance ride is free not thousands of dollars

    All meds cost prescription fees ..it’s like $15 for 3 months

    You cannot in any good conscience support the chitshow that is the American medical system

    I currently have a bit of med issue, my primary care has seen me 4 times, I’ve had 3 sets of blood tests and an MRI within 3 months ...cost is 0

    Oh and we have private healthcare too just haven’t used it since my last sports injury for physio therapy (which I could also have got on NHS but chose not to wait)
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    UK population = 66 million

    US population = 330 million (not including tens of million illegals)



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    are they waiting because more people are seeking medical assistance or what? if its because more people are seeking assistance, are you saying its better if people who need medical help don't receive it?
    Is there no limit to what people will believe if it is prefaced by the phrase,
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Yeah it’s not perfect

    However you can pay $300 to see a consultant who then refers tests to GP eg bloods etc which are free

    Or you wait

    And if it’s urgent you get bumped up the list.

    And it doesn’t screw your credit or make you bankrupt if someone you love gets an illness or in an accident

    And our diabetics don’t die for want of insulin

    And an ambulance ride is free not thousands of dollars

    All meds cost prescription fees ..it’s like $15 for 3 months

    You cannot in any good conscience support the chitshow that is the American medical system

    I currently have a bit of med issue, my primary care has seen me 4 times, I’ve had 3 sets of blood tests and an MRI within 3 months ...cost is 0
    Yeah, you're much better off dying on a waiting list.
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Yeah it’s not perfect

    However you can pay $300 to see a consultant who then refers tests to GP eg bloods etc which are free

    Or you wait

    And if it’s urgent you get bumped up the list.

    And it doesn’t screw your credit or make you bankrupt if someone you love gets an illness or in an accident

    And our diabetics don’t die for want of insulin

    And an ambulance ride is free not thousands of dollars

    All meds cost prescription fees ..it’s like $15 for 3 months

    You cannot in any good conscience support the chitshow that is the American medical system
    We can do all that in the United States with health insurance. Plus, I can see a doctor or specialist if I needed to within a week without the $300 "consulting fee" you'd pay on top of the extra health care taxes.
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    Originally Posted by Ephedra View Post
    UK population = 66 million

    US population = 330 million (not including tens of million illegals)



    What could go wrong?

    Right. If the US can do as well as they did with the VA, how could they not handle a couple hundred million more people?
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    Unfortunately I've had to spend a lot of money on health issues over the last year but one thing I remind myself is even though I've spent a lot of money (thousands of dollars) is if I make a phone call, within a few days I get whatever is needed- MRIs, CT scan, X-ray, endoscopy.....whatever. I would rather pay money and get treated than get it for free and have to wait.
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    Originally Posted by Peter Ruby View Post
    But our will be better!!

    Not srs. How can people think this is a good idea?
    I don't know, but Warren is losing points over it.

    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Yeah it’s not perfect

    However you can pay $300 to see a consultant who then refers tests to GP eg bloods etc which are free

    Or you wait

    And if it’s urgent you get bumped up the list.

    And it doesn’t screw your credit or make you bankrupt if someone you love gets an illness or in an accident

    And our diabetics don’t die for want of insulin

    And an ambulance ride is free not thousands of dollars

    All meds cost prescription fees ..it’s like $15 for 3 months

    You cannot in any good conscience support the chitshow that is the American medical system
    Thanks for the input. I don't think the majority of people in the US are satisfied with our current healthcare. It can be improved and it is complicated. However, Medicare for All scenarios are not the answer. Just the debate of social healthcare raises new ideas and solutions. I believe there will be an improvement and the US is working on the prescriptions dilemma as a start.
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    Your issue is your drug companies and med centred charging exorbitant fees. Your insurance companies screwing you over and over

    And you seem to support it cos you’re worried about paying an extra $50 in tax and having some limitations placed on profits

    Unfathomable
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    Your issue is your drug companies and med centred charging exorbitant fees. Your insurance companies screwing you over and over

    And you seem to support it cos you’re worried about paying an extra $50 in tax and having some limitations placed on profits

    Unfathomable
    That's the price we have to pay to subsidize your "free" healthcare...
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    Originally Posted by chaunce54 View Post
    That's the price we have to pay to subsidize your "free" healthcare...
    Our healthcare is free at point of need

    Nobody says it’s free

    Nobody says it’s perfect

    But it beats a system where you have to juggle medication against food, and if you lose your job and get in a fender bender you’re fukked for life
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    Your issue is your drug companies and med centred charging exorbitant fees. Your insurance companies screwing you over and over

    And you seem to support it cos you’re worried about paying an extra $50 in tax and having some limitations placed on profits

    Unfathomable
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    Yeah, we're a free country, and freedom sometimes has a price.
    Lol the rhetoric is ridiculous
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Lol the rhetoric is ridiculous
    Yeah, we'll see in 10 years when your entire system collapses, if it lasts that long.
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    Originally Posted by dabbmw2002 View Post
    Unfortunately I've had to spend a lot of money on health issues over the last year but one thing I remind myself is even though I've spent a lot of money (thousands of dollars) is if I make a phone call, within a few days I get whatever is needed- MRIs, CT scan, X-ray, endoscopy.....whatever. I would rather pay money and get treated than get it for free and have to wait.
    LOL at waiting 4 months for a CT scan in Europe when I can literally go get one in 30 minutes here. Yeah may be a couple hundred bucks so fukking what. With decent, and I just mean decent, healthcare plans its not even that. My wife broke her finger (bad) last year and had multiple MRIs, X-rays, Ct scans, saw the specialist 3 or 4 times, etc....she has an accident plan on her insurance and we were out of pocket $185 for the entire thing. I think that is something that Europeans who criticize US healthcare don't understand, is most of us with employer plans don't have any problems with healthcare whatsoever. Sure the insurance is expensive but so are more taxes.
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Yeah it’s not perfect

    However you can pay $300 to see a consultant who then refers tests to GP eg bloods etc which are free

    Or you wait

    And if it’s urgent you get bumped up the list.

    And it doesn’t screw your credit or make you bankrupt if someone you love gets an illness or in an accident

    And our diabetics don’t die for want of insulin

    And an ambulance ride is free not thousands of dollars

    All meds cost prescription fees ..it’s like $15 for 3 months

    You cannot in any good conscience support the chitshow that is the American medical system

    I currently have a bit of med issue, my primary care has seen me 4 times, I’ve had 3 sets of blood tests and an MRI within 3 months ...cost is 0

    Oh and we have private healthcare too just haven’t used it since my last sports injury for physio therapy (which I could also have got on NHS but chose not to wait)
    ^^^ this is what Stockholm syndrome / cope looks like

    LMAO tho, anyone defending the flaming pile of chit that's the NHS deserves their 3rd world care. Thank you Based Obama for giving me the chance at US citizenship so my family can enjoy decent health care
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    Originally Posted by Ephedra View Post
    UK population = 66 million

    US population = 330 million (not including tens of million illegals)

    What could go wrong?
    Exactly.

    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    are they waiting because more people are seeking medical assistance or what? if its because more people are seeking assistance, are you saying its better if people who need medical help don't receive it?
    Waiting lines as a result of medical availability.

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    Yeah, you're much better off dying on a waiting list.
    lol

    Originally Posted by Ephedra View Post
    We can do all that in the United States with health insurance. Plus, I can see a doctor or specialist if I needed to within a week without the $300 "consulting fee" you'd pay on top of the extra health care taxes.
    Exactly again.

    Originally Posted by Iczer View Post
    Right. If the US can do as well as they did with the VA, how could they not handle a couple hundred million more people?
    Excellent point.

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    Unfortunately I've had to spend a lot of money on health issues over the last year but one thing I remind myself is even though I've spent a lot of money (thousands of dollars) is if I make a phone call, within a few days I get whatever is needed- MRIs, CT scan, X-ray, endoscopy.....whatever. I would rather pay money and get treated than get it for free and have to wait.
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    I remember when healthcare was very affordable, before Obama and the gov got involved.

    We should definitely let them take full control over it. lol
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    Originally Posted by Halfway View Post
    ^^^ this is what Stockholm syndrome / cope looks like

    LMAO tho, anyone defending the flaming pile of chit that's the NHS deserves their 3rd world care. Thank you Based Obama for giving me the chance at US citizenship so my family can enjoy decent health care
    That’s one of the most moronic responses I’ve ever read and I’ve read quite a few R&P threads
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Your issue is your drug companies and med centred charging exorbitant fees. Your insurance companies screwing you over and over

    And you seem to support it cos you’re worried about paying an extra $50 in tax and having some limitations placed on profits

    Unfathomable
    Respectfully, the costs are way much more than that. The unreal costs of over $50 Trillion, the logistics of over 300 million people including illegal aliens would break the back of the US economy in addition to the 2 million jobs lost in private healthcare. Medicare for All is already losing its appeal in the polls and among college students who are finally seeing the light. Warren is claiming that Medicare for All will be fully paid for by the richest 1%. Not true and is it ridiculous.

    Originally Posted by Halfway View Post
    ^^^ this is what Stockholm syndrome / cope looks like

    LMAO tho, anyone defending the flaming pile of chit that's the NHS deserves their 3rd world care. Thank you Based Obama for giving me the chance at US citizenship so my family can enjoy decent health care
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    Originally Posted by Peter Ruby View Post
    I remember when healthcare was very affordable, before Obama and the gov got involved.

    We should definitely let them take full control over it. lol
    #Me, too.

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    That’s one of the most moronic responses I’ve ever read and I’ve read quite a few R&P threads
    He is from the UK.
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    Lol the rhetoric is ridiculous
    Rhetoric? I dont think you understand the American conservative
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    LOL at waiting 4 months for a CT scan in Europe when I can literally go get one in 30 minutes here. Yeah may be a couple hundred bucks so fukking what. With decent, and I just mean decent, healthcare plans its not even that. My wife broke her finger (bad) last year and had multiple MRIs, X-rays, Ct scans, saw the specialist 3 or 4 times, etc....she has an accident plan on her insurance and we were out of pocket $185 for the entire thing. I think that is something that Europeans who criticize US healthcare don't understand, is most of us with employer plans don't have any problems with healthcare whatsoever. Sure the insurance is expensive but so are more taxes.
    So how much is phi monthly?

    Out of interest my MRI appointment took 6 weeks from referral cos not urgent. My bloods were same day, with results returned within 3 days.

    I also have private health through work and it has limits but my original neuro was through that so I was seen privately within 48 hours and when my phi hit its limit he just transferred me to his NHS list ...no issues. He continues to monitor me via the NHS years later

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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Our healthcare is free at point of need

    Nobody says it’s free

    Nobody says it’s perfect

    But it beats a system where you have to juggle medication against food, and if you lose your job and get in a fender bender you’re fukked for life
    You're so dramatic with your words. Health insurance in the US isn't THAT bad. Sounds like you've been watching too much BBC or CNN.

    It was much more affordable before Obamacare but it's safe to say my current mid-level health care plan still puts me in a better position than you.
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    Originally Posted by Ephedra View Post
    You're so dramatic with your words. Health insurance in the US isn't THAT bad. Sounds like you've been watching too much BBC or CNN.

    It was much more affordable before Obamacare but it's safe to say my current mid-level health care plan still puts me in a better position than you.
    How are you in a better position. Do you mean you personally? What happens if you lose your job?

    I’m glad your healthcare isn’t as bad as it reads, because diabetics dying for want of insulin, and people avoiding ambulances cos of costs, and treatments being based on how much you can pay not how much you need treatment sounds pretty extreme to my ears
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    So how much is phi monthly?

    Out of interest my MRI appointment took 6 weeks from referral cos not urgent. My bloods were same day, with results returned within 3 days.

    I also have private health through work and it has limits but my original neuro was through that so I was seen privately within 48 hours and when my phi hit its limit he just transferred me to his NHS list ...no issues. He continues to monitor me via the NHS years later

    Pretty good value
    ^ THe idiot that thinks Cuba's healthcare is better than America. Ahh. The thoughts of A well-off white lefty.
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    Originally Posted by bobbybondsfan View Post
    ^ THe idiot that thinks Cuba's healthcare is better than America. Ahh. The thoughts of A well-off white lefty.
    Well I seem to remember that conversation being about infant mortality and life expectancy

    But it’s ok the US healthcare system is 2 places above Cuba’s on the WHO ranking

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