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    Trump is calling for War (finally): Not Iran but the Mexican Cartels



    I have been a strong anti-interventionist and am generally against war, but I need to think this one over. Assuming Mexico would allow our military in, which they'd have to, but even then I need to sleep on this. Maybe see more about the approach. I think here at least, unlike other wars, there is a clear set of parameters for victory, Mexico and the cartels are close by and do present a danger to Americans (particularly those in border towns). What happened to those Mormons is horrific but I hate to make any decision based on emotion.

    So, I'm not sure here right now, I don't outright oppose this but neither do I currently think it's a good idea, either.

    Edit: two guys below have responded but I thought a little bit on this and would add the following: Before any War with anyone that American soldiers are going to risk and endanger their own lives, here specifically with the cartels, part of this would have to be exposing the DEA and CIA to any and all misdeeds they may or may not have done with respect to these cartels who just burnt children alive. If our boys and girls are going anywhere to risk their lives, it can't be to protect the drug interests of the Bush, Clintons or any fuktardery like that and I'd like to see those involved exposed for what they are (if anything).
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    Nah, Mexico just voted for more socialism and laxity on the cartels so let them handle it

    Armed troops on our border would be nice though
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    Sound like it may be time to Make Mexico Great Again.......
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    should have dealt with it already. US and Mexican military should be working to put down the cartels as terrorist groups. Up to mexico though
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    If cartels get taken out, weed & cocaine prices go up.
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    If cartels get taken out, weed & cocaine prices go up.
    Stop smoking brick weed. LOL.

    I'd be 100000% more willing to support military action in Mexico (in conjunction with the Mexican military) than military action in some God foresaken chithole sandpit 1000's of miles away that poses no threat at all to the US.
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    I'm all for it. Its the biggest issue in our sphere and a legitimate National security threat. Immigration, drugs and human trafficking all stems from this
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    As much as I'd like them to go bye-bye.

    How many times must we repeat this in history...

    Conventional forces against guerrilla type insurgents is hard as fuk. Especially with all the rules of engagement, etc. The only time conventional vs guerrilla works is if they go in and kill just about everyone and enslave the survivors. We talkin Roman style conquest, Viking pillaging kinda chit. In 2019/2020 this chit would never fly.

    To have an impact would take small tactical attack forces against critical leaders/areas and start chipping away at them. A leader goes down, one rises up, take the new one down, etc. etc. It could potentially take decades.

    Lol - or here is a very out there hail marry kinda idea... Pull a Philippines type mentality where you can kill criminals onsite. Arm everyone, it'll be complete hell for a while but as the dust settles.... Who knows if it'd be better or worse.
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    should have dealt with it already. US and Mexican military should be working to put down the cartels as terrorist groups. Up to mexico though
    I have to agree with this
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    How can you call for war when we’ve already been at war for a while. It’s just a war we aren’t effectively fighting. Cartels are helping China wage chemical warfare on us that kills 50,000 + Americans every year. Once you view it for what it really is it’s easy to see that drastic changes to our approach are needed.
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    Originally Posted by Nelly87 View Post
    As much as I'd like them to go bye-bye.

    How many times must we repeat this in history...

    Conventional forces against guerrilla type insurgents is hard as fuk. Especially with all the rules of engagement, etc. The only time conventional vs guerrilla works is if they go in and kill just about everyone and enslave the survivors. We talkin Roman style conquest, Viking pillaging kinda chit. In 2019/2020 this chit would never fly.

    To have an impact would take small tactical attack forces against critical leaders/areas and start chipping away at them. A leader goes down, one rises up, take the new one down, etc. etc. It could potentially take decades.

    Lol - or here is a very out there hail marry kinda idea... Pull a Philippines type mentality where you can kill criminals onsite. Arm everyone, it'll be complete hell for a while but as the dust settles.... Who knows if it'd be better or worse.
    I don't think drug dealers will be the same as fighting religious fanatics in their ancestral homeland that they have lived in for hundreds of years. Very different dynamic.

    Look at ISIS, they control no territory. Of course there are always going to be drug dealers but if we decimate them and have physical control of their territory, they wont last
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    I would be for Special Ops action and Special Ops training Mexican troops, but the danger is that the cartels rule Mexico and have infiltrated its police and troops.

    I am not for the US sending our troops, because they would get slaughtered. Special Ops, drones, etc. The other danger/risk is the cartel organizing mass shootings in the US anytime and anywhere. Any action would have to be carefully thought out. The Cartel can be more dangerous than ISIS and they are next door.

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    Originally Posted by Nelly87 View Post
    As much as I'd like them to go bye-bye.

    How many times must we repeat this in history...

    Conventional forces against guerrilla type insurgents is hard as fuk. Especially with all the rules of engagement, etc. The only time conventional vs guerrilla works is if they go in and kill just about everyone and enslave the survivors. We talkin Roman style conquest, Viking pillaging kinda chit. In 2019/2020 this chit would never fly.

    To have an impact would take small tactical attack forces against critical leaders/areas and start chipping away at them. A leader goes down, one rises up, take the new one down, etc. etc. It could potentially take decades.

    Lol - or here is a very out there hail marry kinda idea... Pull a Philippines type mentality where you can kill criminals onsite. Arm everyone, it'll be complete hell for a while but as the dust settles.... Who knows if it'd be better or worse.
    ^ Pretty much hit it.

    To fight a war on that level you have to get special forces in or something.
    There's no way to fight a war on that level with plain infantry soldiers - You need animals to kill animals.

    All it takes is one of them to put their gun down & go sit in a room with their family. Now they're 'Innocent' People.
    Only way would be to wipe everyone out or infiltrate the gangs & just destroy their $$$$..

    Without $$$$ Comes 0 Power. That's CIA/Spy chit. No army will win that war.
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    I would be for Special Ops action and Special Ops training Mexican troops, but the danger is that the cartels rule Mexico and have infiltrated its police and troops.

    I am not for the US sending our troops, because they would get slaughtered. Special Ops, drones, etc. The other danger/risk is the cartel organizing mass shootings in the US anytime and anywhere. Any action would have to be carefully thought out. The Cartel can be more dangerous than ISIS and they are next door.
    If they have that much power, all more of a reason to destroy them. Sooner or later, they will have to be dealt with.
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    Originally Posted by dabbmw2002 View Post
    If they have that much power, all more of a reason to destroy them. Sooner or later, they will have to be dealt with.
    Not an argument. I like Nelly's ideas.
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    Not an argument. I like Nelly's ideas.
    What idea? Go Phillipines?
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    What idea? Go Phillipines?
    When I say "not an argument," I mean that I agree with you and that I have no argument.

    Nelly mentioned using special ops and hitting leaders, etc. But, yeah, Philippines. I agree with you that it is a different dynamic than ISIS, but our Special Ops know guerilla warfare.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    When I say "not an argument," I mean that I agree with you and that I have no argument.

    Nelly mentioned using special ops and hitting leaders, etc. But, yeah, Philippines. I agree with you that it is a different dynamic than ISIS, but our Special Ops know guerilla warfare.
    Oh, gotcha.

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    Oh, gotcha.

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    https://www.foxnews.com/media/brando...ings-americans
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    My first thought, GET THEM!!! Nothing enrages me more than harm against a child.

    I am pacifist, though.

    I'll make the comment that we should instead put them out of business and end the violence using economics, medicine, and social programs to end SA.

    If we go to war in Mexico, it will lead to more terrorism and violence on our streets.

    We can best them peacefully using intelligence and collective will.

    We can get their money using anti-money laundering technology. We can cyber warfare them and hack their money away, and turn off their electricity. We can stop selling them arms. We can stop buying their products.

    We're not even trying yet to exert maximal peaceful pressure.

    The violent approach will be more violent than anyone expected, and I suggest we just don't.
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    Good thorough article on what happened with pics and vids -


    LeBaron Family Murders: U.S. Citizens Killed in Mexico
    https://heavy.com/news/2019/11/lebar...sonora-mexico/







    Dailymail's latest article is extensive as well -


    Flat tire could have put Mormon family in the crossfire of Mexican drug cartels who slaughtered three mothers and six children then burned their bodies in SUVs as Trump vows to wage WAR on the 'monsters'
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rn-Mexico.html








    41 minute documentary Video from 2012; there has been an ongoing problem between the Mormons in Mexico and the drug cartels -


    The Mexican Mormon War (Drug Cartels vs. Mormons Full Length)

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