Trump is calling for War (finally): Not Iran but the Mexican Cartels

[linkherooftime]

Never gonna happen.

Mexicans have been effectively brainwashed to believe that imperialist America is going to bomb the cities like if it was Iraq and prefer keep getting cucked by the cartels than solving the problem. The only reasonable concern is that if the military weakened the Cartel of Sinaloa then the smaller (more violent like the CJNG) cartels will expand their terrotiry and take over worsening the situation but they don't realize the government is letting them all continue their operations and they will regret that later once they are so powerful they will never be able to take them down. Right now the cartels are settled in portions of the country and there is no better moment than now for engagement until the grow stronger and turn into an unsolvable problem. The mexican military has the means of their own for causing a substancial blow to the cartels but the elected officials are too scared of the negative
public view that might cause, so it's probably never going to happen.

At least half the mexican people don't want it, and the residents of the state where the main operations are held have too much of stockholm syndrome to let that happen. And the president made it clear that they are staying away from them.

[TurbanMon]

wouldn't mind CIA blackops teams inside Mexico eliminating these fools. But these cartels are probably on CIA payroll so ya

[z4v4]

If any miscer advocated violence to anyone based on race, Religion or other surface traits: They are scum. However, none actually do that. No miscers are advocating any violence against Mexicans in this country, let's be sure to point this out. You just made this up to try and smear Miscers who hold the non-violent belief that we need a secure border or that illegals in this country should be addressed or removed. That says more about you than them, it says you're small-minded and incapable of making a position able to stand on it's own merits.

Lol @ this bull**** and topped off with the typical "you're projecting" angle. Batting 1000.

BTW, learn the difference between it's and its, ffs.

Reported -- and I encourage everyone who has read your awful, disgusting and just beyond sickening comment to do the same. Joking or whatever the fuk was going through your mind, I don't care, you're a sick fuk and should be utterly ashamed at yourself for being such a callous awful human being.

Double lol @ the false indignation, Jesus, and lmao at you reporting more nonsense to mods who don't want to be bothered babysitting.

You're an adult son (well, numerically) - if you don't like what someone posts, do what us other adults do - use the ignore function. It's there for a reason. You know how many posts I've reported? Zero.

[z4v4]

What do u think happens in war, genius? You are calling for the deaths of many Mexicans if you call for war. Never heard of a war without civilian casualties.

While you're correct about jusa being jusa, why don't you make it a tiny bit less obvious that you are wincel? Btw, when is your ban up?

[BigDeeps01]

Mexican army needs to take the lead with US back-up. It needs to come from Mexico. I'm all for it though, kill the terrorists

[gwem32170191]

Evacuate a small border town
Announce the public execution of El Chapo to take place in said town
Wait for his army to come rescue him
Glass the entire area

rustled as fuk.

[JUSA]

While you're correct about jusa being jusa, why don't you make it a tiny bit less obvious that you are wincel? Btw, when is your ban up?

Such a disingenuous fuk as always.

I never advocated war against the Cartels, said I needed to think, did and by the time I had AMLO had shot it down but I ended siding against military intervention and promoted legislation of drugs.

I won’t even touch your thinking my disgust over Seatard’s taking out the trash with murdered infants comment. The fact you think it was manufactured shows how chitty you are.

[KyleAaron]

The thing that boggles my mind is we all as Americans know that the cartels run Mexico why risk taking your children down there?

They're a polygamous Mormon sect, that's why their families went to Mexico where they wouldn't be persecuted or prosecuted for their polygamy. The Mormon communities there still practice it to this day.

https://apnews.com/df0bc6f8a36e4422a6ab613b5a549fc0

[Boxman]

wouldn't mind CIA blackops teams inside Mexico eliminating these fools. But these cartels are probably on CIA payroll so ya

CIA more likely supporting the cartels then fighting them.

[i3oosted]

Plot Twist: AMLO had to publicly decline Trump due to threats to his/families lives, in private gave the OK. Drones and hellfires raining down soon!

[GreatOldOne]

CIA more likely supporting the cartels then fighting them.

This is not true. You're a Russian troll constantly seeking to undermine faith in our government and social fabric.

Now get lost before I convince Trump to nuke st. Petersburg

And I just might.

[GreatOldOne]

Plot Twist: AMLO had to publicly decline Trump due to threats to his/families lives, in private gave the OK. Drones and hellfires raining down soon!

They've gone too far. And we're about to demonstrate Uncle Sam literally invented MMA and became good at it.

Brb druglords on their phones.

Why does this number say zero?!?!?

[CalmWind]

I don't support this.

Americans are willingly buying drugs, so .. taking out the cartels fixes nothing. Some other central or south american drug kingpin will fill the hole. Escobar was one of the biggest drug lords, and he wasn't even mexican... he was in columbia.




Even if we killed every single cartel member in mexico... some other idiots within mexico would spring up to fill the hole and create new cartels.. because of the simple fact that Mexico is on the US border and has the easiest access to smuggle drugs.

And even if we handed a completely safe Mexico over to the Mexican gov't, those idiots don't know how to govern themselves and would once again fall to corruption and the cycle would repeat itself.



Just tell our people to stay out of Mexico.


The place is a ****hole.


Build a giant wall.

[KyleAaron]

I don't support this.

Americans are willingly buying drugs, so .. taking out the cartels fixes nothing. Some other central or south american drug kingpin will fill the hole.

Supply and demand. I'm not sure why the bastion of free market capitalism doesn't understand this.

So, long time ago there was a famous rat experiment, where they put rats in cages, one lever they pushed gave them food, another drugs. Basically all of them became drug addicts and starved to death. This is the basis of the idea that "one hit and you're addicted."

Later some other people said, "well yeah, and if you were locked in an empty cage with no friends and nothing to do, you might become a drug addict, too." So they built a little rat city with lots of rats in it and the chance to run around through tunnels and under plants and stuff. And they put in the two levers there, too. And basically none of the rats became drug addicts. They even took some rats in cages, made them addicts, then put them back in the rat city - and they all stopped taking drugs.

Hitting the cartels addresses the supply side, but briefly as CalmWind notes. Perhaps it's better to address the demand side: what is it about your country that makes people prefer to starve themselves in a drug-induced haze rather than just live?

I think Sebastian Junger's Tribe is a good place to start thinking about this.

[LukeLissen]

I don't support this.

Americans are willingly buying drugs, so .. taking out the cartels fixes nothing. Some other central or south american drug kingpin will fill the hole. Escobar was one of the biggest drug lords, and he wasn't even mexican... he was in columbia.




Even if we killed every single cartel member in mexico... some other idiots within mexico would spring up to fill the hole and create new cartels.. because of the simple fact that Mexico is on the US border and has the easiest access to smuggle drugs.

And even if we handed a completely safe Mexico over to the Mexican gov't, those idiots don't know how to govern themselves and would once again fall to corruption and the cycle would repeat itself.



Just tell our people to stay out of Mexico.


The place is a ****hole.


Build a giant wall.

Supply and demand. I'm not sure why the bastion of free market capitalism doesn't understand this.

So, long time ago there was a famous rat experiment, where they put rats in cages, one lever they pushed gave them food, another drugs. Basically all of them became drug addicts and starved to death. This is the basis of the idea that "one hit and you're addicted."

Later some other people said, "well yeah, and if you were locked in an empty cage with no friends and nothing to do, you might become a drug addict, too." So they built a little rat city with lots of rats in it and the chance to run around through tunnels and under plants and stuff. And they put in the two levers there, too. And basically none of the rats became drug addicts. They even took some rats in cages, made them addicts, then put them back in the rat city - and they all stopped taking drugs.

Hitting the cartels addresses the supply side, but briefly as CalmWind notes. Perhaps it's better to address the demand side: what is it about your country that makes people prefer to starve themselves in a drug-induced haze rather than just live?

I think Sebastian Junger's Tribe is a good place to start thinking about this.

While you both do make good points, it's a simple fact that greatly limiting supply greatly limits overall usage, and if that can be accomplished then it is without question a preferable course of action.

Having a drug war that focuses on the end user is like trying to fix a leak in a water hose by catching the water with a bucket. It has to focus on the highest point of the supply side, which it has not - and instead it has in many cases assisted that instead.


May 20, 2001

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/w...aides-say.html

now the fields are full and the satellite views even show fields of green, moreso every year

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_...in_Afghanistan

[CalmWind]

what is it about your country that makes people prefer to starve themselves in a drug-induced haze rather than just live?

That one's easy.

Liberals have infected a formerly Christian conservative country with liberal policies. Man is lost without the structure and wisdom provided by God/Christianity.


These lost souls, without God, fall prey to anything.

- Embrace of "party lifestyle" which shuns responsibilities and morality, in favor of hedonistic pursuits. The only thing that matters is you having fun. By contrast... a conservative Christian honors himself and God, and views our bodies as temples to be kept clean, never defiling or disrespecting yourself with uncleanliness, drugs, etc.


- Embrace of single parent households and No Fault Divorces. Children raised in single parent households are 7 to 15 times more likely to develop mental disorders, depression (it's an epidemic nowadays), criminal behavior resulting in jail, drug use...

- Embrace of sexual activity as a hobby. Whereas before, sex was only practiced within the confines of a marriage... now you have people practicing sex as a hobby. Studies have shown that the more sexual partners you have, the harder it becomes for you to form a lifelong pair bond. And also, the emotional bonds and trauma and heartbreaks that result of sex. Where one party develops feelings while the other does not... which scar people for the rest of their lives. Good formula for creating lonely, depressed people who have permanently damaged their minds and hearts.

I could go on.


Liberal policies destroyed a strong, structured lifestyle that produced healthy, happy, responsible citizens, in strong family units.


So now the result is a population of depressed, lonely, broken people who turn to anything to soothe the pain or give them a selfish rush of fun.

[Nelly87]

Supply and demand. I'm not sure why the bastion of free market capitalism doesn't understand this.

So, long time ago there was a famous rat experiment, where they put rats in cages, one lever they pushed gave them food, another drugs. Basically all of them became drug addicts and starved to death. This is the basis of the idea that "one hit and you're addicted."

Later some other people said, "well yeah, and if you were locked in an empty cage with no friends and nothing to do, you might become a drug addict, too." So they built a little rat city with lots of rats in it and the chance to run around through tunnels and under plants and stuff. And they put in the two levers there, too. And basically none of the rats became drug addicts. They even took some rats in cages, made them addicts, then put them back in the rat city - and they all stopped taking drugs.

Hitting the cartels addresses the supply side, but briefly as CalmWind notes. Perhaps it's better to address the demand side: what is it about your country that makes people prefer to starve themselves in a drug-induced haze rather than just live?

I think Sebastian Junger's Tribe is a good place to start thinking about this.

Good post/thought. With people, it varies. Most commonly I see is a way to escape.

Meaning, they aren't happy with their lives, trying to ignore stress, etc.

That doesn't mean people who are happy and have their chit together don't party hardy once in a while. Those people typically don't become hooked though. The ones who I earlier mentioned, trying to escape are the ones who get hooked.

To fix that... it's tough as we humans have a hierarchy of needs (Maslow):


I also think that once you go up to the higher levels, how they impact each person can determine addiction. My message is sort of along the lines of the Tribe I guess - I just am not sure to what extent and what solution to bring people together is.

[Qong]

How do you guys think mass migration plays a role in the issues in Mexico and other countries south of us?

Speaking of Mexico specifically, something like 1/4 to 1/3 of all Mexican people live in the US. The best and brightest Mexicans. That certainly plays a role in all of the issues that they're having. Imagine if 1/3 of all good Americans took off and left all old people behind. It would be chaos. That's exactly what has happened with Mexico. Literally tens of millions of Mexicans fled the country for greener pastures.

My view: immigration at such high levels is harmful.

[KyleAaron]

I also think that once you go up to the higher levels, how they impact each person can determine addiction. My message is sort of along the lines of the Tribe I guess - I just am not sure to what extent and what solution to bring people together is.

Well, Maslow was kind of forcing things into a pyramid shape to make a neat and clear theory. I think we can go simpler for our purposes. Tribe, as much as it is more of an extended article than a book, and as much as it's presenting a problem rather than a solution, can nonetheless point the way: people need a sense of community and common purpose.

Now, there are a few aspects to this. People have set up "intentional communities" where they get together and hoe beans in a nice simple lifestyle. However, on average these communities last only two years before they crash in internal politics and acrimony - the only ones which last have either state support, like Israel's kibbutz system, or a religious basis, like the Amish. But the ones which last produce pretty physically and mentally healthy people - and not many drug addicts.

But, you know, jobs matter. Detroit used to have all sorts of churches and music bars and theatres and fraternal orders and all that, then economic rationalism and free trade came in and fcked it all up, the jobs went away - and so did the community. Notably, the residents are doing more to revive the town and its communities than the city or state governments are, by all reports. There are some interesting webpages about the greening of Detroit. Not many drug addicts in those areas, either.

There are small stirrings of movements in more positive directions, I think. It's notable that with Amish kids, they have their adolescent period of greater freedom where they can actually leave the community forever - but 80-90% stay, the women more than the men. This makes sense when you think: how many rats would leave the rat city for their own private empty cage? Something about our society is more like the empty rat cage than the rat city. I would suggest that the social isolation engendered by screens - starting with TV in the 50s, on through to smartphones today - makes modern urban life an empty rat cage.

That's nothing against cities, as such. In a conversation with Joe Rogan, Junger talked about the community in his relatively poor and Haitian-dominated neighbourhood, how they worked together in times of trouble. Cities can have strong communities, we don't all have to go out and hoe beans. But while the Amish have to co-operate or perish, we have the choice to co-operate or just stare at screens.

As I said, there are some movements in what I think is the right direction. Sales of print books are growing after declines, board games have absolutely exploded. I commented to a guy in my game group about how it was easier to find new players now than ten years ago, and that with all the computer games and internet and all that around, this surprised me. He said, "It's because people don't have friends these days." And he's right. Many people are socially isolated, rats in empty cages by themselves. But many are choosing to step out.

I was talking to a depressed guy yesterday who was complaining about his life. I said: well, how many people have you spoken to today? Had a conversation with by phone or in person? Every day, talk to a family member. Every day, talk to a friend. Every day, talk to a stranger. And "talk" doesn't mean by messenger, nor does it mean, "hi, how's it going?" There has to be some exchange, some back and forth - if it's just about football or something, that doesn't matter.

How many of us can name our immediate neighbours? Go, introduce yourself, borrow a cup of sugar or some sht. Your first meeting with your neighbours should not be when you go to abuse them for throwing rotten food in your recycling bin.

So there are some hopeful steps, but we can do more. Governments run communities but they don't build them, people do.