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    U.S. diplomat testifies Trump tied Ukraine aid to politically motivated probes

    “Amb. Sondland also told me that he now recognized that he had made a mistake by earlier telling the Ukrainian officials to whom he spoke that a White House meeting with President Zelensky was dependent on a public announcement of investigations — in fact, Amb. Sondland said, ‘everything’ was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance,’” Taylor told House investigators.
    “During that phone call, Amb. Sondland told me that President Trump had told him that he wants President [Volodymyr] Zelensky to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election,” Taylor said in the statement.
    William Taylor prompted sighs and gasps when he read a lengthy 15-page opening statement, two of the sources said.

    Another person in the room said Taylor’s statement described “how pervasive the efforts were” among Trump's allies to convince Ukrainian officials to launch an investigation targeting former Vice President Joe Biden and another probe centering on a debunked conspiracy theory regarding the 2016 election.
    I know trumps cultists would only care about this if a democrat did it, but seems a clear cut case of abuse of power and engaging in criminal activity.

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    I was worried about this, I think Trump is done.
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    imagine being upset that a president wants to investigate corruption and election meddling

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    That's not how it works. Trump can say whatever he wants if it's not communicated to Zelensky that aid is being wittheld because of it. If Ukraine didn't know the aid was wittheld, there's still nothing illegal. They need to prove Ukraine was pressured to do something because aid was being wittheld.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    I know trumps cultists would only care about this if a democrat did it, but seems a clear cut case of abuse of power and engaging in criminal activity.

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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    I was worried about this, I think Trump is done.
    If it's proven that Ukraine knew aid was being wittheld, it looks terrible.
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    This is interesting from another angle. The investigations into clinton that helped trump win is what they are trying to reproduce with Biden before he's even the nominee. The republicans played a long game with that one constantly trying to damage her image with fruitless investigations. Now they want to do the same with Biden, but stupid trump went the illegal route.

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    That's interesting since both Ukraine's new ambassador and their new president say, that documentation proving Biden's quid pro quo was actively hidden by the DNC. Our own ambassador can't put words into another leader's mouth since that leader (and the new ambassador) already denied that such things occurred.
    the DNC hid bidens quid pro quo? huh? The DNC doesn't have that power. The guy did it in full view of all US agencies and the state department because it was his job. There's no hiding it. There was no reason to hide it. hence the video you people keep linking to.
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    Originally Posted by ghostfacedup View Post
    That's not how it works. Trump can say whatever he wants if it's not communicated to Zelensky that aid is being wittheld because of it. If Ukraine didn't know the aid was wittheld, there's still nothing illegal. They need to prove Ukraine was pressured to do something because aid was being wittheld.
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    I know trumps cultists would only care about this if a democrat did it, but seems a clear cut case of abuse of power and engaging in criminal activity.

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    Taylor has for at least 15 years been heavily involved with the Ukraine community in Washington, which has been vehemently opposed to Trump since the day he announced his candidacy. I knew Taylor was gonna be a problem the day he moved back into the role as Amb to Ukraine this summer. It was the exact same crap with Ambassador Yovanovitch before him. They both were central to creating this new narrative once the 'Russian collusion' BS fell through.

    The problem of the illegitimate and unacceptable corruption of our federal gov by an out of control deep state within the executive branch becomes more and more clear by the day. Trump should do nothing less than order the military into DC and clean out the entirety of the deep state of the executive branch and start fresh after careful consultation on how best to do that. It is his responsibility as president to cut out this tumor immediately.






    Taylor arrived in Ukraine a month after the abrupt ousting of Ambassador Yovanovitch and the inauguration of the country's new president Volodymyr Zelensky. But following President Donald Trump's phone call with the new Ukranian president, Taylor questioned Trump's motivation in a text to Gordon Sondland, the United States Ambassador to the European Union: "Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?" Sondland told him to phone.[13]

    On October 3, 2019, it was revealed that Taylor had expressed, in text messages, concern that President Trump may have withheld aid to Ukraine unless they investigated corruption in Ukraine and interference in the 2016 US election. According to transcripts released by the house impeachment probe, Taylor on September 9, 2019 at 12:47:11 AM texted, "I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign." He also texted that withholding military aid would be a nightmare because it sends the wrong message to both Kyiv and Moscow. "The Russians love it. (And I quit)."[14]

    Over four hours later, at 5:19:35 AM,[15] in his response to Taylor, Gordon Sondland, the United States Ambassador to the European Union, responded that the charge is "incorrect." "Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump's intentions. The President has been crystal clear: no quid pro quo’s of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensk'y promised during his campaign."[15] He then suggested Taylor call the Executive Secretary of the United States Department of State about any concerns[16]: "I suggest we stop the back and forth by text If you still have concerns I recommend you give Lisa Kenna or S a call to discuss them directly. Thanks."[17] In his testimony during the impeachment inquiry Sondland noted that it was only out of his deep respect for Taylor that he tried to address Taylor's concerns.[18] Taylor gave a deposition before a closed-door session of the House Intelligence Committee on October 22, 2019.[19]

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    Taylor has for at least 15 years been heavily involved with the Ukraine community in Washington, which has been vehemently opposed to Trump since the day he announced his candidacy. I knew Taylor was gonna be a problem the day he moved back into the role as Amb to Ukraine this summer. It was the exact same crap with Ambassador Yovanovitch before him. They both were central to creating this new narrative once the 'Russian collusion' BS fell through.

    The problem of the illegitimate and unacceptable corruption of our federal gov by an out of control deep state within the executive branch becomes more and more clear by the day. Trump should do nothing less than order the military into DC and clean out the entirety of the deep state of the executive branch and start fresh after careful consultation on how best to do that. It is his responsibility as president to cut out this tumor immediately.






    Taylor arrived in Ukraine a month after the abrupt ousting of Ambassador Yovanovitch and the inauguration of the country's new president Volodymyr Zelensky. But following President Donald Trump's phone call with the new Ukranian president, Taylor questioned Trump's motivation in a text to Gordon Sondland, the United States Ambassador to the European Union: "Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?" Sondland told him to phone.[13]

    On October 3, 2019, it was revealed that Taylor had expressed, in text messages, concern that President Trump may have withheld aid to Ukraine unless they investigated corruption in Ukraine and interference in the 2016 US election. According to transcripts released by the house impeachment probe, Taylor on September 9, 2019 at 12:47:11 AM texted, "I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign." He also texted that withholding military aid would be a nightmare because it sends the wrong message to both Kyiv and Moscow. "The Russians love it. (And I quit)."[14]

    Over four hours later, at 5:19:35 AM,[15] in his response to Taylor, Gordon Sondland, the United States Ambassador to the European Union, responded that the charge is "incorrect." "Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump's intentions. The President has been crystal clear: no quid pro quo’s of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensk'y promised during his campaign."[15] He then suggested Taylor call the Executive Secretary of the United States Department of State about any concerns[16]: "I suggest we stop the back and forth by text If you still have concerns I recommend you give Lisa Kenna or S a call to discuss them directly. Thanks."[17] In his testimony during the impeachment inquiry Sondland noted that it was only out of his deep respect for Taylor that he tried to address Taylor's concerns.[18] Taylor gave a deposition before a closed-door session of the House Intelligence Committee on October 22, 2019.[19]

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    Jeez. Anybody not corrupt enough to be loyal to trump is somehow "deep state". I would love to see how a psych evaluation goes on you.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    I would love to see how a psych evaluation goes on you.
    Your personal attack shows one thing and one thing only - the utter failure of your leftist lunatic position, which really didn't need to be shown as failure yet again since it's already been shown as that literally thousands of times prior here.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    This is interesting from another angle. The investigations into clinton that helped trump win is what they are trying to reproduce with Biden before he's even the nominee. The republicans played a long game with that one constantly trying to damage her image with fruitless investigations. Now they want to do the same with Biden, but stupid trump went the illegal route.



    https://www.rferl.org/a/why-was-ukra.../30181445.html
    You're actually stupid enough to believe her 'image' wasn't damaged until she ran against trump?

    LOL shes been involved in countless scandals and is literally senile.


    Lied about 'bosnian sniper fire' then was asked why she lied about it she said that EVERYONE ELSE LIED and "thats my memory of it".

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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    Jeez. Anybody not corrupt enough to be loyal to trump is somehow "deep state". I would love to see how a psych evaluation goes on you.
    LOL, you still don't get it. Trump is a symbol...the nations are rejecting globalism, which has been entrenched for decades.
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    lmao @ retarded leftist dumbfuks

    The transcripts has been released, the president of Ukraine himself said multiple times that there's nothing, but you deranged leftist fukwits still can't get over it. Your leftist rear exploded from butthurt after the Mueller's nothingburger (whatever was left of it after the election loss), so now you want to impeach Trump for breathing oxygen.

    You leftist clowns are so bad and pathetic to even squeak about this bullchit, when there's a video of ped0-groaper Joe Biden doing exactly what you're complaining about... for fuks sake, what are you doing you leftist neanderthals, why are you so damn stupid?
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    Lol if Dems are so confident and convinced that Trump is guilty why do they keep having these secret testimonies behind closed doors?

    They have fuk all, having these behind closed doors just let's them control the narrative and spin anything that's said however they want.

    Until these are public hearings anything that comes out of them is irrelevant as far as anyone with any sense is concerned.
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    Originally Posted by monty097 View Post
    Lol if Dems are so confident and convinced that Trump is guilty why do they keep having these secret testimonies behind closed doors?

    They have fuk all, having these behind closed doors just let's them control the narrative and spin anything that's said however they want.

    Until these are public hearings anything that comes out of them is irrelevant as far as anyone with any sense is concerned.
    here you go guy. since its too hard for you guys to google these things

    “The attorney general refused to even take up this case, so we have to do this in a closed environment because we know that if witnesses know what other witnesses will say, they will tailor their testimony and cook up alibis, and we have reason to believe that may be going on,” he added. “We’re trying to protect that information to the degree that we can.”
    this is an investigation. Its not a trial. Their approach is the appropriate one. I am aware that you could only understand this if the republicans were the one explaining their reason for doing the same. Just pointing out why for those who can process information objectively.
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    Getting juicier and juicier. The cultist defense has shifted from no quid pro quo to there's only quid pro quo if both parties for sure know it's quid pro quo.

    All while ignoring the fact that Trump abused his power to get dirt on his political rival. And folks are coming out of the woodwork to testify how unnerved they were by the Orange Idiot's conversation.

    But they're all deep state, right cultist?

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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Getting juicier and juicier. The cultist defense has shifted from no quid pro quo to there's only quid pro quo if both parties for sure know it's quid pro quo.

    All while ignoring the fact that Trump abused his power to get dirt on his political rival. And folks are coming out of the woodwork to testify how unnerved they were by the Orange Idiot's conversation.

    But they're all deep state, right cultist?

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    Originally Posted by topperstyle View Post
    Let's actually set it up.

    I want all of your kids christmas money and more.
    still don't know what you mean by set it up. When I win I'm sending you transfer information.
    Is there no limit to what people will believe if it is prefaced by the phrase,
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    there's only quid pro quo if both parties for sure know it's quid pro quo.

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    By definition literally yes knowledge is required....so....your point?


    The most important thing of this entire case is simply that the Ukrainian President stated it didn't happen. Thats it, its over.
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