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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    When should it be a crime?
    If it's a crime, shouldn't the people that posted it on the internet and the news media that broadcast also be charged with said crime?

    The only thing that I can think to compare it to is something like the obscene publications act. Either the action and dissemination of recording of the action is illegal, or it's not.
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    Originally Posted by dabbmw2002 View Post
    If you weren't a clown you would understand that sometimes local and state laws are unconstitutional but if they have not been challenged in court they remain on the books. Whether or not these two gentlemen want to challenge this arrest is on them but since it will be costly they may just pay a fine rather than challenge it in court
    Just put him on ignore. He's a worthless poster and human being
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    Seems a little heavy handed to say the least.
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    Originally Posted by Postmort3m View Post
    Theoretically, everyone of color on campus obviously
    It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out. Seems like a flimsy premise to restrict free speech.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    Imagine a mother walking down the street with her little boy who is also black and some white guys start yelling at him racial epithets. It's ridicule based on race.
    But are you honestly in favor of jail time penalty for offensive speech? We China now?
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    The other dangerous thing here and this is looking into the future, if someone can record what you say and get you arrested, how soon before there are cameras that are audio capable that are being monitored from an police headquarters? Not so far farfetched.
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    Originally Posted by BFast55 View Post
    But are you honestly in favor of jail time penalty for offensive speech? We China now?
    He lives in Canada, wasn't a comedian fined like 17 grand for offensive speech over there? Or was that an urban legend?
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    Originally Posted by dabbmw2002 View Post
    The other dangerous thing here and this is looking into the future, if someone can record what you say and get you arrested, how soon before there are cameras that are audio capable that are being monitored from an police headquarters? Not so far farfetched.
    You already have the things that listen for gunshots. A slight change to their programming is all it would need.

    That isn't the real fear. What you should really be scared of is something like Alexa reporting you to the police if you use certain words.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    oh my lord, I completely misunderstood and thought they were saying it towards an actual black person. I don't think it should be a crime to just say it in general...

    edited out so it sounds like nothing
    But you do think it should be a crime to say it at someone?

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    Originally Posted by dabbmw2002 View Post
    The other dangerous thing here and this is looking into the future, if someone can record what you say and get you arrested, how soon before there are cameras that are audio capable that are being monitored from an police headquarters? Not so far farfetched.
    Was this a "crime" in a town?
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    He lives in Canada, wasn't a comedian fined like 17 grand for offensive speech over there? Or was that an urban legend?
    Nope, but I think the fine you for mis-gendering people in certain places.
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    But you do think it should be a crime to say it at someone?

    Lmfao

    You serious?
    I go to domestics all the time where the feme goes, "He needs to go, he called me a bitch." I can't kick someone out of their home for foul language.

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    Originally Posted by BFast55 View Post
    Nope, but I think the fine you for mis-gendering people in certain places.
    Seriously? What if you don't know?
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    they're being charged with ridicule, not just saying a racial word.
    What the hell does that even mean? So does that mean when a black person calls a white person a cracker they can be charged with that too? They were stupid college kids being obnoxious and while it is repugnant it is not a crime seeing as it's protected by the first amendment. If this is the precedent they want to set then like others are saying, there are a lot of rappers and comedians who need to be charged too.
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    black people call black people N word all the time. thats OK, as it should be.

    but this is not OK. so now we are prosecuting people based on guessing at their feels at the time.
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    Originally Posted by badreligion View Post
    What the hell does that even mean? So does that mean when a black person calls a white person a cracker they can be charged with that too? They were stupid college kids being obnoxious and while it is repugnant it is not a crime seeing as it's protected by the first amendment. If this is the precedent they want to set then like others are saying, there are a lot of rappers and comedians who need to be charged too.
    I said the same thing. Wtf does it even mean. See my post #20 for the answer. It's a law only in Connecticut.

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    Originally Posted by gwg77 View Post
    I was like wtf does charged with ridicule even mean?? Then I googled it to see and all I see are 2 pages of this UConn case. On the 3rd page, I found this article from 2018:

    "Racial Ridicule" Is a Crime in Connecticut—and People Are Being Prosecuted
    There is no First Amendment exception for "hate speech," and the government can't specially target racist or religiously bigoted speech -- but some Connecticut prosecutors seem not to know that.
    https://reason.com/2018/08/06/racial...in-connecticu/



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    Originally Posted by badreligion View Post
    What the hell does that even mean? So does that mean when a black person calls a white person a cracker they can be charged with that too? They were stupid college kids being obnoxious and while it is repugnant it is not a crime seeing as it's protected by the first amendment. If this is the precedent they want to set then like others are saying, there are a lot of rappers and comedians who need to be charged too.
    The enlightened progressive didnt think that one through. How many high schools have committed the crime of "ridicule?"
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    Seriously? What if you don't know?
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    The enlightened progressive didnt think that one through. How many high schools have committed the crime of "ridicule?"
    It's UCONN though, they are just worried about covering their own asses so they don't lose donations or anything. If this wasn't filmed I can guarantee this would have been handled internally or not at all.
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    Is “whitey“ a racist term?

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    What the hell does that even mean? So does that mean when a black person calls a white person a cracker they can be charged with that too? They were stupid college kids being obnoxious and while it is repugnant it is not a crime seeing as it's protected by the first amendment. If this is the precedent they want to set then like others are saying, there are a lot of rappers and comedians who need to be charged too.
    It means someone should be able to be in public without being ridiculed (harassed) based on something like their skin colour.

    So being in a fight and shouting some racial slur isn’t ridicule imo. But if a few people were following someone and harrassing and ridiculing them based on their skin colour then I don’t see a big problem with that being a crime. The slippery slope argument can be applied to anything.

    So if two black men were following a white person and constantly ridiculing them by saying “cracker” or something known to be racist then they should be charged with a similar crime of ridicule.

    I put it in this context so it’s easier for you to sympathize and understand.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    Imagine a mother walking down the street with her little boy who is also black and some white guys start yelling at him racial epithets. It's ridicule based on race.
    What if the mother is walking down the street with her baby and someone says “that’s a beautiful baby”. But the mother gets upset because the baby identifies as a golden retriever?

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    What if the mother is walking down the street with her baby and someone says “that’s a beautiful baby”. But the mother gets upset because the baby identifies as a golden retriever?
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    It means someone should be able to be in public without being ridiculed (harassed) based on something like their skin colour.

    So being in a fight and shouting some racial slur isn’t ridicule imo. But if a few people were following someone and harrassing and ridiculing them based on their skin colour then I don’t see a big problem with that being a crime. The slippery slope argument can be applied to anything.

    So if two black men were following a white person and constantly ridiculing them by saying “cracker” or something known to be racist then they should be charged with a similar crime of ridicule.

    I put it in this context so it’s easier for you to sympathize and understand.
    There was no one in the video other than the two college students, so your logic fails.
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    Originally Posted by gwg77 View Post
    I said the same thing. Wtf does it even mean. See my post #20 for the answer. It's a law only in Connecticut.

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    But again, what constitutes "hate speech" no one can ever really say with any certainty
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    When should it be a crime?
    When that panting white person behind the camera decides they've committed thought crime
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    Originally Posted by badreligion View Post
    There was no one in the video other than the two college students, so your logic fails.
    I know I realized that halfway through the thread after I watched the video. I don’t think they should have been charged with anything and they should plead not guilty.
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    Originally Posted by DuracellBunny View Post
    It raises interesting legal questions. If saying the word is illegal in and of itself, then a lot of rappers and black comedians are going to jail. If it's only illegal for people of certain ethnicities to say it, that would be an interesting supreme court case.

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    He lives in Canada, wasn't a comedian fined like 17 grand for offensive speech over there? Or was that an urban legend?
    Well, yes he was except that it was 42,000. Quebec Human Rights Tribunal (this is a thing)...

    "requires Ward to pay $25,000 in moral damages and $10,000 in punitive damages to Jeremy Gabriel, who suffers from Treacher Collins syndrome — a condition that causes affects the development of bones and tissues in the face— for a joke he made about him at a show in 2010, the CBC reported. Ward has also been ordered to pay $5,000 in moral damages and $2,000 in punitive damages to Gabriel's mother, Sylvie Gabriel.

    The tribunal sided with Gabriel, ruling that Ward had infringed on his right to have his disability, honour, and reputation safeguarded without discrimination, rejecting Ward's defence that there was a "clear difference between harassment against a person and an artistic work being produced before a willing audience," according to the Canadian Press."


    While Ward said he was initially happy to defend Gabriel when others made fun of him, he'd been under the impression that he was a terminally ill child, being granted a dying wish by a children's foundation, he continued.

    "But five years later, he wasn't dead, he's not dying," he quipped on stage. "The little bastard, he's just not dying."

    Gabriel couldn't be killed, Ward continued, joking that he'd unsuccessfully tried to drown him once, and that when he looked up Gabriel's condition online, he found that it was being "ugly."



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