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    Anxious Democratic Establishment Asks, ‘Is There Anybody Else?’

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    WASHINGTON — When a half-dozen Democratic donors gathered at the Whitby Hotel in Manhattan last week, the dinner began with a discussion of which presidential candidates the contributors liked. But as conversations among influential Democrats often go these days, the meeting quickly evolved into a discussion of who was not in the race — but could be lured in.

    Would Hillary Clinton get in, the contributors wondered, and how about Michael R. Bloomberg, the former New York mayor? One person even mused whether Michelle Obama would consider a late entry, according to two people who attended the event, which was hosted by the progressive group American Bridge.

    It’s that time of the election season for Democrats.

    “Since the last debate, just anecdotally, I’ve had five or six people ask me: ‘Is there anybody else?’” said Leah Daughtry, a longtime Democrat who has run two of the party’s recent conventions.

    With doubts rising about former Vice President Joseph R. Biden’s ability to finance a multistate primary campaign, persistent questions about Senator Elizabeth Warren’s viability in the general election and skepticism that Mayor Pete Buttigieg, of South Bend, Ind., can broaden his appeal beyond white voters, Democratic leaders are engaging in a familiar rite: fretting about who is in the race and longing for a white knight to enter the contest at the last minute.

    It is a regular, if not quite quadrennial, tradition for a party that can be fatalistic about its prospects and recalls similar Maalox moments Democrats endured in 1992, 2004 and in the last primary, when it was Mr. Biden who nearly entered the race in October. But the mood of alarm is even more intense because of the party’s hunger to defeat President Trump and — with just over three months to go before voting starts in Iowa — their impatience with finding Mr. or Mrs. Right among the current crop of candidates.

    “There’s more anxiety than ever,” said Connie Schultz, a journalist who is married to Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio, another Democrat who some in the party would like to see join the race. “We’re both getting the calls. I’ve been surprised by some who’ve called me.”

    “I can see it, I can feel it, I can hear it,” Mitch Landrieu, the former New Orleans mayor, said of the unease within the party. He said he thinks Mr. Biden is best positioned to defeat Mr. Trump but called the former vice president’s fund-raising “a real concern.”

    Mr. Biden’s lackluster debate performances and alarmingly low cash flow — he has less than $9 million on hand, not even half of some of his rivals — has fueled the Democratic disquiet. But if the causes of the concern are plain to see, what exactly can be done about it is less clear.

    And even some of those being wooed acknowledge that it can be hard to discern between people just being nice and those who genuinely want them in the race.

    Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Bloomberg have both told people privately in recent weeks that if they thought they could win, they would consider entering the primary — but that they were skeptical there would be an opening, according to Democrats who have spoken with them.

    Former Secretary of State John F. Kerry, who associates say has wondered aloud about whether he should have run and has found it hard to watch Mr. Biden’s missteps, has also been urged to get in. But he still thinks the former vice president, who was once his longtime Senate colleague, is the party’s best nominee.

    ...continued at link
    This was originally published by the NY Times:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/22/u...ates-2020.html

    WaPo is also running similar article:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...127_story.html

    Cliffs:

    -Dems, amidst trying to impeach Trump, still feel they don't have a viable 2020 candidate.

    -They don't have confidence in Biden, Warren or Buttplug. Poor Bernie, they didn't even acknowledge him until one of the last paragraphs where they mention they wanted more candidates beside him in 2016.

    -They entertain and then downplay the possibility of Hillary, Bloomberg, Kerry, Sherrod Brown and even throw around thoughts of Michelle Obama.

    -Maybe they really are setting the tone to bring Hillary back in?

    -Trump 2020
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    Dems had Obama set and ready to go around 2004 for the 2008 election if Kerry didn't beat Bush. Hillary was set for 2016. I knew 2020 was Trump's when the left wasn't propping anybody after 2016. It's like they were so shocked, they didn't know what to do. Going with Hillary would pretty much guarantee chaos in the Democratic party and I'll be here to watch it.
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    Hillary will run again if she gets the chance.
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    Where's Oprah? Wasn't she a frontrunner at one time? And then "The Rock" was supposed to be running as well

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    This is the same problem the GOP faced in Obama’s second campaign, no charismatic leader to get behind.

    Not easy for the dems because they either have a psycopathic hag who gets the female vote or frail old men vs. a guy who failed to implode as predicted.
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    The window to get on the ballot in several primary states is nearly closed, and each of them require a bunch of conditions that nobody, not even Hillary, can complete in time.

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    Ok with that said, in theory Bloomberg or some other option could run as a third-party, but we're getting pretty late in the process for that as well.

    I've noticed a gradual shift in the media narrative - even CNN is mentioning the likelihood of Trump being re-elected, or mentioning polls that show him favorable. The DNC and the media have access to polling that the average joe doesn't. And that data likely across the board indicates 4 more years for Trump. So the fake news media is beginning to shift their strategy to start explaining away the cause of defeat in such a way that doesn't blame the democrat party.

    Things the media isn't telling us:

    1. Biden doesn't excite ANYBODY. In order to win the EC, the dems require some level of excitement to get people to go vote.

    2. Warren (and Bernie's) health care plan will cost them union votes in the midwest. Trump is likely to win Florida again, so WI-MI-PA will likely once again be a deciding factor. Trump already gets the rural counties, especially if he completes a farm produce trade bill with China. Medicare for All basically adds a risk element that otherwise wouldn't have been present in the urban areas there.

    3. Very few groups vote as a monolith. There is no such thing as "the catholic vote" or "the women vote" or "the latino vote". For the most part, there's only two demographics that overwhelmingly vote the same: the mormon vote and the black vote. And the dirty little secret about the black vote? Homophobia. The left turns a blind eye to this. Like when a coalition of black churches campaigned on Prop 8 in california - the libs only focused on the predominantly white churches/groups as the source. Buttigeg would struggle to get many black voters to actually show up to the polls, costing the dems the various states in which they rely almost entirely on the black vote to win (ie, Virginia and North Carolina).

    Seems to me the Dems are doing the same thing they always do: Running to win the popular vote. Like when they cite "A majority of american's support XYZ". It's an irrelevant statistic. Remove California, New York and Massachusetts from the statistic and then you have data that is relevant. Trump and Republicans will keep focusing on winning the EC, like with how they're targeting Minnesota to flip.
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    The window to get on the ballot in several primary states is nearly closed, and each of them require a bunch of conditions that nobody, not even Hillary, can complete in time.

    /thread
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    published 58 minutes ago:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hil...ashington-post

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    https://www.newser.com/story/282074/...2020-buzz.html

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    Hillary Clinton is a narcissist but after the flogging she took in 16 she can't possibly be stupid enough to enter and actually think she has a shot at being the nominee let alone winning. Michelle Obama? She has a strong chance of winning the nomination but she's already made it clear she has no interest in running which is a good thing.
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    Hillary Clinton is a narcissist but after the flogging she took in 16 she can't possibly be stupid enough to enter and actually think she has a shot at being the nominee let alone winning. Michelle Obama? She has a strong chance of winning the nomination but she's already made it clear she has no interest in running which is a good thing.
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    Hillary, do you plan on running again against Trump?

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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
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    communist socialism will never have a place here, take him to Canada
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    Originally Posted by Procta View Post
    communist socialism will never have a place here, take him to Canada
    He's been fighting for American workers and families to rebuild the middle class. It's why he's liked by republican leaders so much, including Trump. No one is tougher or smarter on trade than Sanders.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    the hero America needs
    Yeah, no.
    Al Bundy is my hero crew .

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    Why be a poverty POTUS when you can live in your $14 million beachfront mansion and travel the world in private jets all paid for you and your husband lecturing people on income equality and doom climate change?
    Oh I know.
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    Sounds about right.

    Edit: I'd like Kerry to run.

    But I'd totally settle for Hillary to see the epic rematch and her vengence in taking down Trump.

    I'm not down with Warren and I'm not donating any more to Biden.

    He's just not cutting it it seems...but I like him.
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    Originally Posted by Mr Beer View Post
    This is the same problem the GOP faced in Obama’s second campaign, no charismatic leader to get behind.

    Not easy for the dems because they either have a psycopathic hag who gets the female vote or frail old men vs. a guy who failed to implode as predicted.
    The job calls for calm cool decision making and clear communication.

    Sad thing is that if the chit show popularity contest aspect was somehow diminished in favor of professionalism there would be thousands of viable candidates, if they wanted the job.

    I know a few small business owners who I think would do better as POTUS than Clinton or Trump. The people want to entertained though, so we get what we deserve.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
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    He's been fighting for American workers and families to rebuild the middle class. It's why he's liked by republican leaders so much, including Trump. No one is tougher or smarter on trade than Sanders.
    Every word you have stated is a lie here and most everywhere else. Bernie is the only true socialist hiding in a democrat costume and a communist sympathiser. He is not fighting for the middle class. He is fighting for the destruction of the US in every way, but mainly the economy and healthcare. The middle class got a pay raise.

    You have really shown your true colors with this one.
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    If Bernie really believed what he said, he would have never kowtowed to the DNC in 2016.

    You don't rail on "The Establishment" then just give into them after their corruption's been exposed, he's a joke.

    Maybe if The Democrats spent time appealing to Middle America like Trump did, they'd get a lot farther.
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    If Bernie really believed what he said, he would have never kowtowed to the DNC in 2016.

    You don't rail on "The Establishment" then just give into them after their corruption's been exposed, he's a joke.

    Maybe if The Democrats spent time appealing to Middle America like Trump did, they'd get a lot farther.
    If he really believed what he said, he would never run as a Democrat.

    He isn't a Democrat. Says he isn't a Democrat.

    He just wants their money and organization.

    The DNC never should have let him run imo.
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