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    Originally Posted by Swept View Post
    You would think he could over come the weather playing the 28th ranked defense
    No one could and i live here. It was brutal to drive in, go to the gym in, commute in after the game, and get anything done. Like 2 inches of rain from 6am to now 10:30 pm.
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    Originally Posted by Swept View Post
    Looks like a lot of cope. You are literally writing word for word what a lot of fans bases in the past with mediocre QBs used to write. Injuries, weather ext....

    It can’t be that he’s playing like chit and has a water pistol arm.
    Call it what you want. Jimmy isn’t a finished product. I find myself yelling at him for some of his throws or decisions pretty much each game this year but facts are facts.

    The team is undefeated and the team regardless of talent has moved the ball on offense and played well overall with him at QB and they’ve won with him.

    Mullens played well last year but they couldn’t win chit.

    Garoppolo will grow as a passer in time. Much like Brady did with experience, Russell Wilson did, Big Ben and many others. Even Peyton Manning with all his weapons needed a stinker of a rookie season to figure out what throws he could and couldn’t make and he wasn’t overcoming a knee injury from the prior season.

    Garoppolo just got his 16th NFL start.

    His numbers in those are around 66% 4000 yards 23 TDs and 14 Int.

    Certainly nothing ground breaking but considering the bulk of those starts came with pretty poor play at WR and a patch work OL that’s a good start.
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    Originally Posted by GarthVader View Post
    But why choose a QB with those obstacles? That's simply not a smart move. Rain games are always a **** show for passing. You know teams are gonna run the ball a lot and passing is going to be challenging. Any QB wouldn't have a good game there.

    Don’t worry I learned my lesson in trusting that bum


    Should known after the rams game, Jameis and Wilson lights them up with ease then enters Jimmer who can’t even move the ball against that sorry ass secondary
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    He's not going to go out and carry the team to a win for you, but it's looking like he's not going to lose the game either. It's a lot like Peyton Manning in his last year. Good enough to keep the broncos in the game and not lose it so the defense could win it
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    Originally Posted by iamgenus View Post
    Call it what you want. Jimmy isn’t a finished product. I find myself yelling at him for some of his throws or decisions pretty much each game this year but facts are facts.

    The team is undefeated and the team regardless of talent has moved the ball on offense and played well overall with him at QB and they’ve won with him.

    Mullens played well last year but they couldn’t win chit.

    Garoppolo will grow as a passer in time. Much like Brady did with experience, Russell Wilson did, Big Ben and many others. Even Peyton Manning with all his weapons needed a stinker of a rookie season to figure out what throws he could and couldn’t make and he wasn’t overcoming a knee injury from the prior season.

    Garoppolo just got his 16th NFL start.

    His numbers in those are around 66% 4000 yards 23 TDs and 14 Int.

    Certainly nothing ground breaking but considering the bulk of those starts came with pretty poor play at WR and a patch work OL that’s a good start.

    Call it his rookie season all you want he’s 27 years old very few QBs starting peaking when they in their 30s, not only that but Lynch and Shanahan aren’t the type to wait two or three years. Btw all those guys you just named have better arm talent than Jim, Wilson and Peyton broke records their rookie seasons LOL

    Mullen’s didn’t have the second best defense in the nfl shutting down everybody. You are starting to sound like Jags fans from 2 years ago when they had the second seed in the AFC “Bortles is a winner”


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    Originally Posted by Swept View Post
    Call it his rookie season all you want he’s 27 years old very few QBs starting peaking when they in their 30s, not only that but Lynch and Shanahan aren’t the type to wait two or three years. Btw all those guys you just named have better arm talent than Jim, Wilson and Peyton broke records their rookie seasons LOL

    Mullen’s didn’t have the second best defense in the nfl shutting down everybody. You are starting to sound like Jags fans from 2 years ago when they had the second seed in the AFC “Bortles is a winner”


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    What record did Wilson break as a rookie? Peyton led the league in picks as a rookie. Yard records are crap. 49ers run the ball and Jimmy is 9th in the league in yards per attempt even after yesterday’s game.

    And did Jimmy have a top 2 defense in 2017 when he still went 5-0? The other guys went 1-10 with the same roster?

    He’s doing something right. They haven’t needed him to air the ball out to win. That’s not a negative.
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    Originally Posted by bigcat3655 View Post
    He's not going to go out and carry the team to a win for you, but it's looking like he's not going to lose the game either. It's a lot like Peyton Manning in his last year. Good enough to keep the broncos in the game and not lose it so the defense could win it
    The one time they needed him this year was vs the Steelers and he got them the game winning TD after a close game.

    They needed him in this game and he played great in the second half despite the awful conditions.

    He hasn’t needed to put up 300+ but being 9th in the NFL in Y/A means he’s making his attempts count.
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    SF was 10 point favorite and only won by 9 so I'd wait

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    Originally Posted by iamgenus View Post
    What record did Wilson break as a rookie? Peyton led the league in picks as a rookie. Yard records are crap. 49ers run the ball and Jimmy is 9th in the league in yards per attempt even after yesterday’s game.

    And did Jimmy have a top 2 defense in 2017 when he still went 5-0? The other guys went 1-10 with the same roster?

    He’s doing something right. They haven’t needed him to air the ball out to win. That’s not a negative.
    Wilson tied Peyton TD record, broke the passer rating record and TD to int record. Now yards are crap lmao. And the reason they are running the ball that much is cause they don’t trust his bum ass.


    Again you keep giving the record without context. One of those wins was against the rams backups and if it wasn’t for Gould going on a historic run Garoppolo record would look a whole lot different. Gould made 5 fg, 4 fg then 6 fg in a 5 week span but yes give Garappolo credit


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    Originally Posted by Swept View Post
    Wilson tied Peyton TD record, broke the passer rating record and TD to int record. Now yards are crap lmao. And the reason they are running the ball that much is cause they don’t trust his bum ass.


    Again you keep giving the record without context. One of those wins was against the rams backups and if it wasn’t for Gould going on a historic run Garoppolo record would look a whole lot different. Gould made 5 fg, 4 fg then 6 fg in a 5 week span but yes give Garappolo credit


    The jags didn’t need Bortles to air it out also
    Were those Gould kicks 80 yarders? The 49ers offense was night and day different with Garoppolo in 2017 and they were averaging out top offense numbers with him.

    Gould has missed 7 kicks so far this year. Chit happens.

    Garoppolo may not be an elite QB but he sure as chit isn’t Bortles.
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    Originally Posted by iamgenus View Post
    Were those Gould kicks 80 yarders? The 49ers offense was night and day different with Garoppolo in 2017 and they were averaging out top offense numbers with him.

    Gould has missed 7 kicks so far this year. Chit happens.

    Garoppolo may not be an elite QB but he sure as chit isn’t Bortles.
    Yet no other kicker over the last decade has put up those type of numbers in a month span. And top numbers in yards something you just said was “crap” LMAO

    Your right he’s not Bortles he’s closer to Andy Dalton who won 52 games his first 5 season as a starter. And every non homer could see through that record, just like every no homer could see through this 49ers team record
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    Originally Posted by Swept View Post
    Yet no other kicker over the last decade has put up those type of numbers in a month span. And top numbers in yards something you just said was “crap” LMAO

    Your right he’s not Bortles he’s closer to Andy Dalton who won 52 games his first 5 season as a starter. And every non homer could see through that record, just like every no homer could see through this 49ers team record
    Watching iamgenus move the goal posts is pure entertainment. Dude can’t keep his arguments straight, he’s constantly cherry-picking and disregarding any counterpoint that someone makes.

    He can’t even admit the 49ers have had a cakewalk schedule thus far. Apparently the Bucs have a good defense its just Winston’s fault they’re almost dead last in ppg.
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    He’s had his ups and downs this year but he’s only played 16 games in his career. We need more time to see how good he really is. He hasn’t been the reason they’re winning but he hasn’t been putting them in holes either.

    He’s actually been really good on third downs. And he’s near the bottom of the list of QB’s with time to throw the ball.
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    still think the team is suspect

    gonna wait til to see what happens the 2nd half and maybe post season if they make it
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    You would think he could over come the weather playing the 28th ranked defense
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    Jimmy G played like sh*t and his team still won. Brady taught him well.
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    Originally Posted by GiveHerBills View Post
    Watching iamgenus move the goal posts is pure entertainment. Dude can’t keep his arguments straight, he’s constantly cherry-picking and disregarding any counterpoint that someone makes.

    He can’t even admit the 49ers have had a cakewalk schedule thus far. Apparently the Bucs have a good defense its just Winston’s fault they’re almost dead last in ppg.
    I'm not moving anything. My team is 6-0 playing the schedule they were dealt.

    What counterpoint was made outside of throwing out numbers blindly? If that's the way you want to analyze the game that's fine but don't cry when other people understand numbers don't always tell the whole story.

    The issue I took is with the assumption that the 49ers are only good because of their schedule...yes it has been highly favorable. They can only play who is in front of them.

    Me saying Tampa Bay D is better than their numbers indicate isn't saying Tampa Bay D is great. If anyone is moving the goal posts it's you and others trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

    Offense turning the ball over time after time, some for TDs will certainly reflect negatively on the numbers.
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    Originally Posted by GiveHerBills View Post
    Watching iamgenus move the goal posts is pure entertainment. Dude can’t keep his arguments straight, he’s constantly cherry-picking and disregarding any counterpoint that someone makes.

    He can’t even admit the 49ers have had a cakewalk schedule thus far. Apparently the Bucs have a good defense its just Winston’s fault they’re almost dead last in ppg.
    Niner's schedule has been pretty cake walk, about the same difficulty as the Patriots. But currently the 49ers are showing a top tier defense and a better than average offense so odds look good for the streak continuing.

    They will have to play a number of good teams before going to the playoffs. Carolina next week should be a fun game. Shame Staley won't be back yet.
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    Originally Posted by iamgenus View Post
    Not surprised by the responses in here by the usual suspects.

    Fact is Jimmy still doesn’t have a full season worth of starts under his belt until Sunday.
    He is just a few weeks over a year past his ACL injury. An injury which takes a full two years to truly be 100% back unless you’re a complete freak of nature.

    Garoppolo is playing with WRs with limited starring experience and full of youth. Has been missing his starting LT since week 3 and now missing his starting RT as well. 49ers swing tackle has been out for the year since preseason so they’re now playing their 3rd level backups as starters.

    Having said that


    He is
    4th in completion %
    7th in the NFL in yards per attempt
    14th in passer rating
    3rd in the league at converting 3rd down passing attempts

    The team hasn’t needed him to throw for 300+ yards and 3TDs in each game but the idea that they can win with whomever is idiotic and ignorant. He’s been huge in their ability to extend drives on offense which has helped the defense stay off the field and get rest.

    The 49ers have made a lot of self hurting plays this season and he very easily could have much better numbers. Hell his best game this year was his only multi pick game vs the Steelers.

    Having said all that Jimmy has a long way to go before he should be included in top 10 QB discussions.
    Thread was over right here

    I'm not calling him a franchise QB but he's doing his part.
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    NFL Power Rankings 2019: 49ers #2
    So weird, with Jimmy G out last year their nfl power rating was.........

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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    NFL Power Rankings 2019: 49ers #2
    So weird, with Jimmy G out last year their nfl power rating was.........

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    Yeah having #1 overall picks tends to help teams?

    And its common sense that a team’s power ranking isn’t going to be very good with their backup QB compared to their starter.

    Originally Posted by iamgenus View Post
    I'm not moving anything. My team is 6-0 playing the schedule they were dealt.

    What counterpoint was made outside of throwing out numbers blindly? If that's the way you want to analyze the game that's fine but don't cry when other people understand numbers don't always tell the whole story.

    The issue I took is with the assumption that the 49ers are only good because of their schedule...yes it has been highly favorable. They can only play who is in front of them.

    Me saying Tampa Bay D is better than their numbers indicate isn't saying Tampa Bay D is great. If anyone is moving the goal posts it's you and others trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

    Offense turning the ball over time after time, some for TDs will certainly reflect negatively on the numbers.
    Only took you 5 posts to admit this simple fact.
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    Damn, Jimmy G making so many people salty. Chad who, despite coming off an ACL injury, is now 14-2 in his career starts. The dude just wins in football and life.
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    So you are not aware how many number 1's flamed out and did not stick around. Hmm so you are brand new to sports, i see.

    Originally Posted by GiveHerBills View Post
    Yeah having #1 overall picks tends to help teams?

    And its common sense that a team’s power ranking isn’t going to be very good with their backup QB compared to their starter.



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    Originally Posted by GiveHerBills View Post
    Yeah having #1 overall picks tends to help teams?

    And its common sense that a team’s power ranking isn’t going to be very good with their backup QB compared to their starter.



    Only took you 5 posts to admit this simple fact.
    49ers haven't had a #1 overall pick since Alex Smith and that one didn't really work out.

    Solomon Thomas their #3 overall pick from 2017 has unfortunately been a bust.

    As has been mentioned already plenty of sh*t teams picking early in drafts don't improve because they keep f*cking up in the draft. Early picks aren't a guarantee. Just look at Tampa Bay and Tennessee from a few years ago with the 1/2 Winston/Mariota combo.

    Not to mention sometimes the draft simply doesn't have the franchise savers at the top or at times sh*t happens when guys considered blue chips don't work out. Look at the Browns. Tim Couch, Courtney Brown...etc

    Comparing last year to this year definitely isn't the way to go...but comparing the 1-10 start in 2017 vs the 5-0 result with Jimmy in 2017 helps pain a much clearer picture.

    Jimmy stepped up after limited time to learn Kyle's system(even if it was dumbed down somewhat) and he played great where the offense production shot up from like the 20s to top 2 average or something like it with him playing and that was with Trent Brown getting hurt and 49ers not having Pierre Garcon who was their top WR that year and before Kittle became the reliable TE he is now.

    Fact is, it may not always be pretty and it's mostly game management right now but Garoppolo has found ways to get it done. Whether he can keep it going vs tougher defenses remains to be seen but we HAVE seen him play great vs the Jags D which was #1 overall before he was done with them and a Chicago D which was pretty good in 2017 as well and he was doing it with a worse OL and skill players.


    And I never disagreed that those teams weren't very good. If you look at my posts in the 49ers thread I'm not ready to crown the 49ers and I'm still nervous about them and want to see them play the big boy teams but the more I see the less questions I have.

    49ers were missing 7 starters in the Redskins game. Don't know what is coming up vs Carolina but we're potentially going out there once again without Staley, McGlinchey, Juszscyk(who is key to their offense) vs a dominant Carolina D.

    It will be a big test for the team.
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    So you are not aware how many number 1's flamed out and did not stick around. Hmm so you are brand new to sports, i see.
    Is Nick Bosa flaming out?


    Oh, well I guess you should save your insults for the next guy. Douche bag.
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    Originally Posted by iamgenus View Post
    49ers haven't had a #1 overall pick since Alex Smith and that one didn't really work out.

    Solomon Thomas their #3 overall pick from 2017 has unfortunately been a bust.

    As has been mentioned already plenty of sh*t teams picking early in drafts don't improve because they keep f*cking up in the draft. Early picks aren't a guarantee. Just look at Tampa Bay and Tennessee from a few years ago with the 1/2 Winston/Mariota combo.

    Not to mention sometimes the draft simply doesn't have the franchise savers at the top or at times sh*t happens when guys considered blue chips don't work out. Look at the Browns. Tim Couch, Courtney Brown...etc

    Comparing last year to this year definitely isn't the way to go...but comparing the 1-10 start in 2017 vs the 5-0 result with Jimmy in 2017 helps pain a much clearer picture.

    Jimmy stepped up after limited time to learn Kyle's system(even if it was dumbed down somewhat) and he played great where the offense production shot up from like the 20s to top 2 average or something like it with him playing and that was with Trent Brown getting hurt and 49ers not having Pierre Garcon who was their top WR that year and before Kittle became the reliable TE he is now.

    Fact is, it may not always be pretty and it's mostly game management right now but Garoppolo has found ways to get it done. Whether he can keep it going vs tougher defenses remains to be seen but we HAVE seen him play great vs the Jags D which was #1 overall before he was done with them and a Chicago D which was pretty good in 2017 as well and he was doing it with a worse OL and skill players.


    And I never disagreed that those teams weren't very good. If you look at my posts in the 49ers thread I'm not ready to crown the 49ers and I'm still nervous about them and want to see them play the big boy teams but the more I see the less questions I have.

    49ers were missing 7 starters in the Redskins game. Don't know what is coming up vs Carolina but we're potentially going out there once again without Staley, McGlinchey, Juszscyk(who is key to their offense) vs a dominant Carolina D.

    It will be a big test for the team.
    Remember when you used to make fun of Teddy Bridgewater for only having 14 TDs, even though he won the division and went 11-5?

    How does it feel to be on the other side of the pond?
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    Jimmy is really good. He is Brady lite.

    Handsome, game manager, quick release, cool under pressure, winner. But not as accurate and more prone to mistakes/interceptions than Brady.

    Neither are world beaters and cheat codes like Wilson or Mahomes, but they do what’s important and get the ball out quickly to run the offense and move the chains - a skill that is particularly important come crunch time and 2:00 drills. Short accuracy, footwork, quick release, poise are deadly in those situations. He’s very good already in several of those areas and getting better as his weapons get better and we see the finished product of this offense this year sometime or next maybe.

    If Jimmy can improve accuracy and decision-making leading to turnovers, he can benefit from playing in Shanny’s scheme with great protection, amazing backs, great TEs, and a quickly improving(through maturation and trade) WR corps, and he can play a game similar to Brady’s at a similar level. Really, we are already seeing it, as he has started around a seasons worth of games as a pro, and has only lost 2.

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    Originally Posted by GiveHerBills View Post
    Is Nick Bosa flaming out?


    Oh, well I guess you should save your insults for the next guy. Douche bag.
    it isn't( thin skin) an insult, it is 1 pick, not many picks over time.
    You have to look at the totality of picks and see how they work out.
    And why don't you know this as a sports fan?
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    Originally Posted by GiveHerBills View Post
    Remember when you used to make fun of Teddy Bridgewater for only having 14 TDs, even though he won the division and went 11-5?

    How does it feel to be on the other side of the pond?
    I was making fun of the idea that Bridgewater was a top flight QB. You see me making that claim about Jimmy? I don't even have him as a top 10 QB right now.

    However Bridgewater never got an offense performing at the level that Jimmy was able to do. He's playing very well right now so I'll give him credit for that.

    And being 6-0 feels pretty good. I hope the Ws keep growing. I'm confident Jimmy will only get better with time as the offense grows with him and our young WRs mature and get more consistent.
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    Jimmy G doing his part.



    His play isn't always pretty but at least he is.
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