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    History: 1996 United States Campaign Finance Controversy involving China & DNC

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    1996 United States campaign finance controversy
    The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People's Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

    While questions regarding the U.S. Democratic Party's fund-raising activities first arose over a Los Angeles Times article published on September 21, 1996,[1] China's alleged role in the affair first gained public attention when Bob Woodward and Brian Duffy of The Washington Post published a story stating that a United States Department of Justice investigation into the fund-raising activities had uncovered evidence that agents of China sought to direct contributions from foreign sources to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) before the 1996 presidential campaign.

    The journalists wrote that intelligence information had shown the Chinese embassy in Washington, D.C. was used for coordinating contributions to the DNC[2] in violation of United States law forbidding non-American citizens or non-permanent residents from giving monetary donations to United States politicians and political parties. A Republican investigator of the controversy stated the Chinese plan targeted both presidential and congressional United States elections, while Democratic Senators said the evidence showed the Chinese targeted only congressional elections. The government of the People's Republic of China denied all accusations.
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    Waking the Sleeping Dragon
    On May 24, 2000, Bill Clinton clinched what many believed would be the last great legislative victory of his presidency. That afternoon, the House of Representatives voted to award China permanent normal trade relations, effectively backing Beijing’s long-in-the-making bid to join the World Trade Organization. The historic deal had been Clinton’s top priority in the waning days of his last term—a move he hoped would improve relations with the world’s most populous nation, while cementing his own legacy of using free trade to advance America’s foreign policy interests. It had been opposed by labor unions wary of competition from poorly paid foreign workers and championed by corporations salivating over 1.3 billion potential Chinese customers (the business lobby had spent millions on TV ads supporting the pact). In the end, after much wrangling, 73 Democrats joined 164 Republicans to pass the agreement, which was expected to glide through the Senate.
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    Yep, we were sold out.
    Not exclusive to any one political party but at this point in time, DNC just hopes people have a short memory.
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    Not exclusive to any one political party but at this point in time, DNC just hopes people have a short memory.
    Absolutely,

    D pres R congress at the time. Now we're seeing the result, not even 30 years and we're about to be unseated as the world super power.


    The world is going to beg for the evil USA back after they get a taste of Chinese rule.
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    Even now, a large amount of people buy into Clinton's chit that they care about human right, freedom, democracy as they de-linked human right from trade with China.
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    Here's a table of contents for a more comprehensive look at everything, interesting read, not finished with it.

    1997 Special Investigation in Connection with 1996 Federal Election Campaigns

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    Back when Washington Post was more credible, 94 people foreign nationals/citizens who didn't want to testify or be interviewed for the investigation.

    Kind of shows you the lengths the Chinese were going to in order to donate to American political campaigns - random Buddhist monks, journalists, used car dealers? The arms of Chinese Intelligence go deep.

    A Look at the 94 Who Aren't Talking

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...fth060998.htmp

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    Below, Senator Fred Thompson's basically calling out President Clinton for not encouraging more efforts on behalf of the DOJ to investigate the Chinese for pushing money into campaign coffers. Even vaguely suggesting that members of Clinton's administration may have been complicit in what is going on.

    Please take the time to read.


    'Mr. President . . . This Is Your Campaign'
    Wednesday, October 8, 1997

    Chairman Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.) before the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee's yesterday:

    [...]

    This committee's been faced with witness after witness after witness – key witnesses – I'd say most of the key witnesses in this case have chosen to take the Fifth Amendment, which is their right to do. Many have fled the country, just like Mr. Wiriadinata. . . . Many are thwarting the subpoenas of this committee.

    And yet in the midst of all of that, within a few months, it is clear now from the testimony that has come before this committee that there was an unprecedented and systematic effort to bring in illegal money into the Democratic National Committee, into the Clinton-Gore campaign, much of it foreign money, much of it by people who had free and ready access to the White House and we know [on] some occasions met with the president himself. . . . We've seen money laundering, we've seen contributions in the name of another, we've seen illegal foreign contributions, we've seen conspiracy.

    And one would assume that you would have a very active Justice Department and a very active grand jury going on. . . . Time and time again, instead of the normal situation that you have in these congressional investigations, whether it be a Watergate or Iran-contra or whatever, you've got a very active grand jury that is causing people to come before the committees and wanting to say – and saying to the committee, in effect – consider immunity for us, we want to talk to this committee, we want to cooperate with this committee. There's no such inducement to do that before this committee, because no one is in fear of ever having anything done to them in terms of criminal prosecution.

    So instead of that situation pertaining, as is the usual case, it seems that this committee continues to scare up leads for a Justice Department that is scrambling to catch up. . . .

    [...]

    I think what is happening here is becoming more and more apparent as far as the department is concerned. And that is, the focus is becoming narrower and narrower: long letters, defense lawyer justifications for everything, long letters of explanation, long letters of defense and picking out one thing, one area like these phone calls that everybody in this town knows will never be prosecuted, nobody's going to be prosecuted on these phone calls where someone was sitting or standing when phone calls were made, everybody knows that. . . .

    There's a missing player in most of these discussions. Ironically, I think it's the president of the United States. This should not be about the attorney general. She should not continue to be placed in this position where her own reputation is in jeopardy. She's clearly in a box that she's having a difficult time getting out of. This should not be about the vice president. He should not be bearing the entire brunt of this mess that we've seen unfold over these last several months.

    Mr. President, I would suggest this is your campaign. These were your supporters. These were your friends, many of them longtime friends. These were your people who worked in the White House. Much of this money that was raised, illegal money, was for your campaign and for your reelection. This is your White House. This is your Department of Justice. And these are your tapes. And you have a responsibility. I would call on you to encourage these people to come forward and testify. Get to the bottom of who's doing what over in your White House in terms of complying with these document requests.


    [...continued]
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    It was Clinton's goal to get China into the WTO and any negative news RE: China would have hurt those prospects.

    What makes this all interesting is looking at how both sides handled the issue and how it can be applied to today's politics. I'm sure some of you old timers remember this amid other scandals that occurred during the 90s.

    TLDR: Chinese were newbs at money laundering, Clinton Admin turned a blind eye

    White House Unswayed By China Allegations
    Sunday, July 20, 1997
    President Clinton and his senior foreign policy advisers disagree with senators of both parties who have concluded China had a plan to influence U.S. elections illegally, according to administration officials, who said high-level White House discussions last week reaffirmed there is so far no cause for taking punitive steps against Beijing.

    "We have received the relevant briefings," White House press secretary Michael McCurry said. "We believe there's no basis for any change in our policy toward China, which is one of engagement."

    This has been the consistent White House line. What changed last week was that Clinton became newly isolated in his insistence that China's leaders still are entitled to benefit of the doubt. Others who have received the same "relevant briefings," including administration supporters such as Sens. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.) and John Glenn (D-Ohio), have reached the opposite conclusion.

    This disconnect – dramatically different readings of what is apparently the same evidence – has created a dilemma shadowing Clinton's entire China policy. The administration has said repeatedly that there would be "serious" consequences for the relationship if it turns out allegations of an influence-buying plan are true. Now Clinton is under increasing pressure to confront the Chinese or face criticism he is so determined to pursue warm relations that he will overlook a plan to meddle illegally in U.S. elections.

    Even among senators who have concluded there was such a plan, there is disagreement. Sen. Fred D. Thompson (R-Tenn.), chairman of the committee investigating allegations of illegal 1996 campaign fund-raising, has said he believes the Chinese plan targeted presidential and congressional elections. Lieberman and Glenn say they believe the evidence shows the Chinese targeted only congressional elections.

    Moreover, they and other senators who have been briefed by the FBI and seen classified documents have said they have not seen any evidence the plan was carried out, or that there is evidence linking specific campaign contributions to illegal government money from Beijing.

    Administration officials have said it is clear that China had a plan to increase its Washington influence through legal lobbying of the sort that its archenemy Taiwan has engaged in for years. But these officials said it is not clear that Beijing planned to supplement this legal activity with illegal contributions.

    The Chinese government has denied any attempt to meddle in U.S. elections, including at a March meeting in Beijing between Premier Li Peng and Vice President Gore. "It goes to the question of credibility," said Nicholas Lardy, a China analyst at the Brookings Institution, who said critics of China would point to any evidence of an influence-buying plan by Beijing to argue that it cannot be trusted on other subjects.

    Clinton has called such speculation premature. Asked earlier this month about Thompson's accusations against China – made before Lieberman and Glenn said they partly agreed with their Republican colleague – Clinton said, "I do not know whether it is true or not. Therefore, since I don't know, it can't . . . and shouldn't affect the larger long-term strategic interests of the American people in our foreign policy."

    From the beginning, administration officials have taken a soft line toward the China allegations and suggested that, from the White House perspective, maintaining the engagement policy toward Beijing is a more important concern than whether the allegations are true. When the FBI investigation of the alleged Chinese plan was reported in The Washington Post in February, Clinton and senior White House officials said they knew nothing about it. Privately, senior administration officials scoffed that the reports were overblown and predicted the investigation would amount to little or nothing.

    The FBI uncovered evidence about the alleged plan, in part, through electronic intercepts of conversations between government officials in Beijing and officials at the Chinese Embassy here. According to government officials, the plan, first discussed in early 1995, called for Chinese officials to channel more than $2 million into U.S. campaigns.

    Lieberman initially said he doubted Thompson's suspicions about a Chinese plan to influence U.S. elections, but he changed his mind last week after seeing new evidence provided by FBI officials.

    The decision by Lieberman and Glenn to go public with their suspicions about China forced White House national security adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and senior aides to reassess their position. The White House sought and received new assurances that the Justice Department was living up to an agreement to provide the White House all relevant information about foreign policy, in contrast to earlier this year when senior White House officials were caught unaware about the China allegations.

    McCurry said the White House has a "mechanism in place" to make sure it knows what it needs to "conduct foreign policy."

    On Capitol Hill, by contrast, Thompson has told other senators and top staff members that the Justice Department's reluctance to share more information about its investigation is impeding his own. "We're having the door slammed in our face," Thompson has told others. "The FBI has been more restrictive in latter briefings than in earlier briefings."

    Among Thompson's complaints:

    Citing its criminal investigation, the FBI last week declined to answer questions or provide information about Democratic fund-raisers John Huang and Charles Yah Lin Trie – even in a classified, closed-door briefing to members of Thompson's committee.

    Attorney General Janet Reno's opposition to a grant of immunity to four nuns who gave money at a 1996 Gore fund-raiser in a Buddhist temple in California.

    Delay in receiving documents requested from the FBI several weeks ago relating to the China connection.

    Thompson told others that he plans to ask FBI Director Louis J. Freeh and CIA Director George J. Tenet to appear in an executive session before the committee to explain.
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    China needs to be kicked out of the WTO and UN. We need to cripple their economy immediately and show them no mercy.
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    What's the difference between a foreign power trying to buy politicians and a corporation?
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    What's the difference between a foreign power trying to buy politicians and a corporation?
    One is backed by a military and has unlimited power to arrest and kill dissenters and one does not.

    I don't know too many political prisons operated by Ford or Proctor and Gamble.
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    I've brought this up in multiple different threads about Trump in the last 2 years.

    Not only did Clinton have Chinese spies sleeping the White House, but when they went to investigate it, Clinton told his AG (Janet Reno) to shut it down.

    It's literally everything they claim Trump did, but it actually happened. Not only that, but then you've got all his other scandals like Whitewater and all the sexual assaults (Lewinsky, Flowers, etc).

    Basically, the left, as they always do, assume everyone is as big a piece of chit as they are so they accused Trump of the crimes of Clinton. It's absurd.
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    What happened with Clinton and China makes even the WORST thing the Dems accused Trump of with Russia pale in comparison.

    In short, the Clinton campaign took over $3,000,000 from chinese nationals, and after elected allowed the transfer of ballistic missile technology to China.

    Then, during the investigation, they let a bunch of low tier middle men go down and take one for the team, and then Reno was told to stand down before she worked her way up the ladder any further.


    Current democrats are either too young or too stupid to understand what happened, or just willfully refuse to admit it. The democrats in Washington know all too well that anything Trump did was child's play compared to this, but they have their media accomplices shrilling "TREASON!" at the highest level, and the aforementioned young and stupid liberals eat it up.
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    In short, the Clinton campaign took over $3,000,000 from chinese nationals, and after elected allowed the transfer of ballistic missile technology to China.
    I remember the fallout being reported 15+ years ago and no one paid much attention to it, I saw it pop up again last night on Fox. Another key failure in our relationship with China, went ahead and made a thread about it because I think it's important people remember this.
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    I remember the fallout being reported 15+ years ago and no one paid much attention to it, I saw it pop up again last night on Fox. Another key failure in our relationship with China, went ahead and made a thread about it because I think it's important people remember this.
    Did you also know the Clinton campaign took another $1,000,000 from the company that was given the license to sell China the technology? Literally 10x worse than what they are trying to impeach Trump for. Whatever that is, haven't figured it out yet.
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    Did you also know the Clinton campaign took another $1,000,000 from the company that was given the license to sell China the technology? Literally 10x worse than what they are trying to impeach Trump for. Whatever that is, haven't figured it out yet.
    It's disgusting, a whole generation of tainted politicians, connected to the Clintons.

    I used to rail on the Cheney Administration for all their corruption and overrturning of American rights, selling ourselves out to China was multiple degrees worse than that.
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    China needs to be kicked out of the WTO and UN. We need to cripple their economy immediately and show them no mercy.
    I don't think starting WW3 is a good idea.
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    I don't think starting WW3 is a good idea.
    Thinking this thing won't end without blood, the question is when.
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    Originally Posted by Dan_S View Post
    I've brought this up in multiple different threads about Trump in the last 2 years.

    Not only did Clinton have Chinese spies sleeping the White House, but when they went to investigate it, Clinton told his AG (Janet Reno) to shut it down.

    It's literally everything they claim Trump did, but it actually happened. Not only that, but then you've got all his other scandals like Whitewater and all the sexual assaults (Lewinsky, Flowers, etc).

    Basically, the left, as they always do, assume everyone is as big a piece of chit as they are so they accused Trump of the crimes of Clinton. It's absurd.
    If the media manipulation machine wasn't so effective at keeping people glued to current headlines, politicians would be screwed. Some of Obama's cabinet picks were persons of interest.

    e.g.)

    Gary Locke

    - Chinese Heritage
    - Numerous ties to China (even the mob)
    - Fined in relation to the Campaign Finance fiasco
    - Appointed Secretary of Commerce (TS clearance, has oversight of technology transfers, 2009-2011)
    - Ambassador to China (2011-2014)

    Steven Chu

    - Chinese Heritage
    - Director at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory & U.S. Department of Energy National Laboratory
    - Appointed Secretary of Energy (highest clearance required, has oversight of the DOE, very sensitive as you know, nuclear energy, weapons, etc..., 2009 - 2013)

    Important Note, in 2008/2009, the US supplied China (via Westinghouse) with technology related to nuclear reactor construction: AP1000

    I would imagine both of these individuals had a hand in that. The Democrats are the biggest pieces of sh[i]t in the political community.
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    One is backed by a military and has unlimited power to arrest and kill dissenters and one does not.

    I don't know too many political prisons operated by Ford or Proctor and Gamble.
    The correct answer is actually "they're all a perversion of democracy and should be stamped out".
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