It’s time to admit.... there is no “far left fringe” on the democratic side

[isingmodel]

If you have a BA in Art History, and you're working at Starbucks, than how are you better off?

Mall cop? Sorry guy, I'm usually answering useless calls, by people who contribute nothing to society. "Your son won't go to sleep, and you called us why?" I would ask where the father is, but we all know the answer to that question.

Because you're still more likely to find higher paying employment than if you didn't have a degree and were working at Starbucks. A degree doesn't guarantee a higher paying job, but it does put you in a much better position to find one, the statistics are crystal clear on that. Would you like me to MSPaint an explanation for you?

[Polaris]

Because you're still more likely to find higher paying employment than if you didn't have a degree and were working at Starbucks. A degree doesn't guarantee a higher paying job, but it does put you in a much better position to find one, the statistics are crystal clear on that. Would you like me to MSPaint an explanation for you?

Fake news.

[scheal]

Fuk you too dumb ass.

You’re the grand master of the KKK

[Mark1T]

The

That's the only word I read from your delirious retarded post.

Lay off the meth and then join as a legitimate poster.

[Dave22reborn]

Because you're still more likely to find higher paying employment than if you didn't have a degree and were working at Starbucks. A degree doesn't guarantee a higher paying job, but it does put you in a much better position to find one, the statistics are crystal clear on that. Would you like me to MSPaint an explanation for you?

A BA in theater is going to get you what?

[KyleAaron]

The mainstream democratic view is far left.

Perhaps relatively in the US, but not on absolute scale, as much as one can be made.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

For reference, essentially the entire Western world's governments at this time are in the top right quadrant, authoritarian on personal liberties, and in favour of free markets, deregulation, etc.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/euchart

In every generation, public discourse actually takes place mostly in a single quadrant. There's a very narrow range of acceptable opinion, and anything outside that is either censored (whether by the government or a corporation with monopolistic power) or considered laughably crazy.

[LukeLissen]

raise your hand if you're a far left extremist who wants open borders and free everything for the invaders ...

[tecom]

Perhaps relatively in the US, but not on absolute scale, as much as one can be made.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

For reference, essentially the entire Western world's governments at this time are in the top right quadrant, authoritarian on personal liberties, and in favour of free markets, deregulation, etc.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/euchart

In every generation, public discourse actually takes place mostly in a single quadrant. There's a very narrow range of acceptable opinion, and anything outside that is either censored (whether by the government or a corporation with monopolistic power) or considered laughably crazy.

Investigative Journalism.


Who owns/created/influenced The Political Compass.org?



Pace News Limited is a company registered in New Zealand whose director is political journalist Wayne Brittenden. He worked for the British Broadcasting Corporation.

According to The New York Times, the site is the work of Brittenden. According to Tom Utley, writing in The Daily Telegraph, the site is connected to One World Action, a charity founded by Glenys Kinnock.An early version of the site was published on One World Action's web server.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Political_Compass


Glenys Kinnock is the wife of Neil Kinnock, who was leader of the Labour Party from 1983 to 1992.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenys...ck_of_Holyhead



The Labour Party is a centre-left political party in the United Kingdom that has been described as an alliance of social democrats, democratic socialists and trade unionists.[The party's platform emphasises greater state intervention, social justice and strengthening workers' rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)



One World Action was a charity based in London whose aims were a world free from poverty and oppression, where strong democracies safeguard people's rights.

Formerly named the Bernt Carlsson Trust, One World Action was founded by Glenys Kinnock on December 21, 1989 – exactly one year after UN Commissioner for Namibia, Bernt Carlsson, was killed in the Pan Am Flight 103 crash.

The charity was affiliated with Solidar. It was removed from the register of charities on 2 October 2012 on the grounds that it had ceased to exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_World_Action



SOLIDAR is a European network of NGOs working to advance social justice in Europe and worldwide. SOLIDAR voices the concerns of its member organisations to the EU and international institutions across the policy sectors of social affairs, international cooperation, and lifelong learning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidar

[KyleAaron]

Who owns/created/influenced The Political Compass.org?

Interesting. But not, I think, relevant to my point that most popular parties and candidates in the modern West swing towards authoritarian right, which is to say restricting social liberties while allowing freedom for corporations. The direct opposite in the libertarian left has a small but significant representation (commonly Greens parties), but authoritarian left and libertarian right are essentially absent. With this in mind, most discussion is within the authoritarian right quadrant.

As examples, no significant candidate in the West is suggesting that all government surveillance should be with court-issued warrants only (a libertarian position) or that we should nationalise banks or other enterprises (an economic left position). There are some things you just can't say at the moment, not if you want to get elected.

The range of policies and discourse is actually fairly limited. This is no different to previous generations, they were just limited to a different quadrant. For example, in the US whoever you get in charge there will be no significant firearms control laws, the US will always be involved in pointless foreign conflicts, corporations will always be bailed out while individuals are left to go hungry, and any healthcare laws will primarily benefit insurance companies rather than consumers. You now have a President challenging one of those policies (endless war) and your Congress is impeaching him. The same fate would befall someone like Sanders if he tried to have universal public healthcare.

[jtaylor2010]

Perhaps relatively in the US, but not on absolute scale, as much as one can be made.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

For reference, essentially the entire Western world's governments at this time are in the top right quadrant, authoritarian on personal liberties, and in favour of free markets, deregulation, etc.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/euchart

In every generation, public discourse actually takes place mostly in a single quadrant. There's a very narrow range of acceptable opinion, and anything outside that is either censored (whether by the government or a corporation with monopolistic power) or considered laughably crazy.

As was pointed out above it would depend on who is designing the graph. Take a far right person and their view would be that almost everyone is in the far left of the graph, let a leftist design it and the placement would be reversed. But I’m talking more about the issues the left has decided to prioritize in the last 10-20 years. For example, when Obama got elected he opposed gay marriage. Now we have the leading candidate pushing for reparations for gays and using 9 year old trannys to convince people that they want to push society further and further down the rainbow alphabet. Obama at least pretended to care about illegal immigration. Now the candidates openly push for not only open borders, but for full benefits to be given to illegal immigrants. They stand on stage and demand that horribly strict gun rights be enforced. So while that is technically an authoritarian stance, it’s obviously considered a leftist stance in this country. 20 years ago no one demanded “free” college, but now it is a common view for democratic nominees. Same with the trillions and trillions of dollars they want to spend on Medicare for all. Obama hinted at overhauling insurance, but nothing like what is being proposed today. They openly call for crippling restrictions on businesses, and Warren even calls for govt. takeover of big tech while Yang says there should be a govt. takeover of the media(as if most isn’t already used for liberal propaganda). The list goes on and on, and covers pretty much every issue. And the end result is obvious; a huge shift to the left from the Democratic Party in our country.

[KyleAaron]

The problem is that you're only looking at things through the filter of your own country's culture - which is that quadrant. Many countries have this problem of only looking at themselves, the US is perhaps the most prone to it of any democracy; only autocracies are more insular.

Looking at what other countries are doing can be instructive and useful.

[Dave22reborn]

The problem is that you're only looking at things through the filter of your own country's culture - which is that quadrant. Many countries have this problem of only looking at themselves, the US is perhaps the most prone to it of any democracy; only autocracies are more insular.

Looking at what other countries are doing can be instructive and useful.

Looking at what other countries are doing is instructive....its a lesson on what not to do.

Like Western Europe for example.

[jtaylor2010]

The problem is that you're only looking at things through the filter of your own country's culture - which is that quadrant. Many countries have this problem of only looking at themselves, the US is perhaps the most prone to it of any democracy; only autocracies are more insular.

Looking at what other countries are doing can be instructive and useful.

The problem is that your chart only considers economic structure, and even then it is up for debate as to how accurate it is. It lists Sweden as an authoritarian, right-wing country. That should tell you all you need to know about how useless it is.

[Sandmang27]

The problem is that your chart only considers economic structure, and even then it is up for debate as to how accurate it is. It lists Sweden as an authoritarian, right-wing country. That should tell you all you need to know about how useless it is.

It put Warren as slightly right and slightly authoritarian and Sanders as slightly left and slightly libertarian when both of them are very authoritarian and middle left so that shows how completely wrong the chart is.

You might be able to argue that the US has a very different scale for left wing vs. right wing and a lot of things the US considers left wing is center or right wing in other countries. But they are both for almost complete government control over all aspects of your life and there's no questions that they are authoritarian.

This is a random thought but I always found it funny that Government programs and control are considered left wing ideas and less Government programs and control are considered right wing ideas. But theoretically communism, which is far left, would have very little government and fascism, which is far right, has almost complete government control.